Red Pill ideology isn’t just hateful and misogynistic; it’s also a remarkably bleak way to look at the world, even for the men who supposedly benefit the most from taking “the red pill” — that is, the allegedly smooth players who boast about bedding so many women on “game” blogs.
Take, for example, what you might call the “spoiled milk” theory of marriage that’s sometimes trotted out on these blogs.
Since women reach their prime young, the theory goes, then rapidly lose their looks and their value after “hitting the wall” at the age or 25 or 30, it only makes sense to marry a woman when she’s young — so you get to have sex with her before she gets all old and hideous.
If you marry her later, this means that someone else has had her at her best — and you haven’t!
As the blogger at LaidNYC argues in a post titled “Don’t Marry Any Woman Older Than 25,”
If you meet your wife when she’s older than around 23 or 24:
You are eating someone else’s cold leftovers, then doing their dishes.
You are showing up to a party after everyone has left and cleaning up after them.
You are getting into a taxi and paying the fare of the person who got out before you.
You are taking the nearly expired milk to the grocery store counter and offering to pay double for it.
He goes on in this fashion for some time.
You are paying for someone’s credit card bill full of reckless spending and partying that you never got to enjoy. …
You are trying to unclog somebody else’s clogged toilet.
Ok, now that last one didn’t even make sense.
Anyway, after running out of metaphors, LaidNYC gets to his point:
A girl who refuses to get married young is offering a raw deal. She is vastly overvaluing her product, and undervaluing your time and money.
Marriage only makes sense for a man when a girl’s prime years of beauty and fertility are upfront payment for a lifetime of loving masculine support.
LaidNYC goes on to suggest that women who are too picky when they’re young will end up regretting it later:
Is it any wonder, then, that as females are delaying marriage longer, they are finding less willing men?
Youthful arrogance is the yellow brick road to spinsterhood.
But I want to go back to that previous bit:
Marriage only makes sense for a man when a girl’s prime years of beauty and fertility are upfront payment for a lifetime of loving masculine support.
Can you imagine a more depressing way to look at marriage? If you’re so twisted by your misogyny that you can’t see value in your wife after she hits the age of 30 or so, and stick with her only out of a sense of obligation because she fucked you when she was 25, well, dude, you deserve to be miserable. And I can only hope your wife leaves you for someone who can appreciate her in the here and now.
Misogynistic assholes are at least as good at making themselves miserable as they are at making things shitty for other people.
There’s one restaurant where, if I don’t go in a while, the wait staff scold me in that “aunty and uncle have been worried about you” tone. Last time I was there I heard all about the waiter’s wife’s trip to China and how annoyed he was that he couldn’t go with her, and how she kept gloating about all the stuff she was eating that he couldn’t try. Something like this has happened at every place I’ve ever been a regular at.
Energomash said:
“This David Futrelle guy is also forcing his values on me. As an atheist i don’t like this.”
This is David’s blog. In this space what he says goes, K? You chose to come here and nobody’s forcing you to stay. You can leave any time you like, atheist or not. How do you know that David isn’t an atheist anyway? Do all atheists have to agree with you? Guess what? I’m an atheist too, and I disagree with just about everything you’ve said.
“See, some people value choclate ice others vanilla ice. This is a simple choice you make, there aren’t any reasons behind it.
So why must i value intelligence in a woman? Why must i value her personality? Isn’t it enough to value her looks?
Isn’t it enough that a woman values the wealth of a man? Why does she have to like everything about this mans personality?”
Not quite sure what you’re trying to say here. This isn’t about different people liking different flavours of ice cream. You don’t have to value anything but if you want to attract a person and not have sex with a blow up doll for the rest of your life, it’s a good idea to see her as the former, rather than the latter. There are generally reasons why people make the choices they do, they rarely simple toss a coin and those reasons are usually very enlightening.
“I know this question won’t make me liked by you people, but i think it is interesting so i post it here anyway.”
No, it just makes you look foolish and naive.
Also when surgeons truly objectify their patients you get stuff like them giving patients bigger breast implants than agreed upon because they decided it would look nicer. Not a great idea, that one.
Cassandra said:
“I think our new troll is suffering from a tragic combination of low intelligence, Dunning Kruger syndrome, exposure to baby’s first philosophy text, and a few ESL problems.”
Yeah, he/she has all the classic signs of the first year philosophy syndrome. They’ve done a minuscule amount of reading and suddenly they know everything.
Cassandra: no, they take liberties if they don’t respect their patients. Apart from life saving emergency surgery they should be doing any what they consented to. I’ll never forgive the arsehole who did that stuff to me. I’m even angrier because he did it on the ward and frightened the other patients. They had enough to deal with without having them thinking he’d do it to them too.
Yes, the whole thing of surgeons objectifying their patients – rather than simply being able to distance themselves during a procedure in order to be able to do it – is one of the huge and very common areas of complaint about surgeons. It’s not a fucking bonus, it’s a major problem and, imo, means they are not doing their jobs properly. Objectifying someone = being a douchehound. It does not = professional.
We were damn near brought down by ankle tackling today at lunch time. The bloke who owns a cafe near where we used to live also owns a couple of others, and he was at this one today. We were innocently walking past and haven’t seen him for 5 years or so. In the space of 5 minutes (he had his ear out for the pizza oven timer) we got caught up on his wife and 2 little kids and all the nieces and nephews and our news on moving and kids getting partnered up and married.
But it’s a relationship like you have with cousins you only see every now and again. For five years or so we went there several times a week and the relationship developed because they, and we, were nice, friendly people. It’s not hard. And we’ll probably be friends, who only see each other occasionally, for the rest of our lives.
You really don’t see a difference, auggziliary? Does the sexuality displayed in the second video not feel performative to you? About the viewer, not the actor?
The second one? It’s the first one that feels almost comically performative to me.
Hah, oops, I referenced the wrong one! Rewrote my comment a couple of times and got sloppy XD. We are definitely in agreement.
Are MRAs even aware that they are perpetuating the reasons why feminism still exists? All of this comparing women to inanimate objects and valuing their vaginas over their personhood is really kind of drawing out feminism’s reasons for being here in the first place.
Why can’t these dudes just sleep with a bunch of women and call it good? Is there some rule that says he has to insult them and believe that they’re inferior too?
@Alice
Damn, what’s happening in Russia? /bad at following news.
@jessay
Wait, a woman who doesn’t want to get married? ::brain explodes::
@marie: Russia’s cracking down on LG speech, calling it “propaganda.”
Probably BTQ etc. is included, but everything I’ve seen just talks about “gay propaganda.”
Oh, and I think I heard somewhere that Moscow’s talking about not admitting 2014 Olympians if they aren’t straight.
@Falconer
Oh. BLah 🙁
I actually agree that stuff aimed at teenagers tends to be all about performative sexuality, so it doesn’t surprise me that someone would see performative sexuality and think “aimed at a teen audience”. I don’t think that’s a neutral thing, though, I think it’s really harmful.
The same can be said of the perception of women-as-sex-object as lighthearted and funny, and women-as-sexual-being as serious and not “fun.” I’m sorry, I don’t mean to pick on you auggziliary, it just seems to me like your take on those videos mirror some harmful attitudes towards women’s sexuality in broader culture.
+1 Viscaria’s comment. This isn’t a problem specifically with auggziliary, it’s a cultural problem that’s most obvious in people who’re younger. There’s also the idea that imagery that depicts women’s sexual pleasure is far more obscene than imagery that depicts women as objects, which you can really see in terms of what is and isn’t censored.
“You are showing up to a party after everyone has left and cleaning up after them.”
This is a fun and fulfilling thing to do by the way. And it is a fairly close approximation to the day-to-day life of a parent, which is also a fun and fulfilling thing to do.
You get the feeling with a lot of these guys that at some point they developed the idea that life is supposed to be this nonstop carnival where nothing is ever difficult or boring or unfair and that when they realized this wasn’t the case they looked around and saw some women and said “THEY STOLE OUR CARNIVAL.”
I really wish this myth would die already. I guess it’s theoretically possible for some straight women to become sexually aroused by wealth or money, but it definitely is not common. Has anyone ever heard a woman say “Oh, baby, let me see your slip from the ATM machine. Oooh, you have $1000 in your checking account, that gets me so hot!”
Here’s an example from the movie Titanic (so bonus points for MRA’s who are obsessed with the Titanic disaster!)
Okay, ask some straight women which character they find more attractive, Jack (Leo DiCaprio) or Cal (Billy Zane). Even if they think Billy Zane is better looking than Leo DiCaprio, they are probably going to prefer Jack, because Cal is a total shitlord. How could that be? Jack is broke and Cal is loaded. It’s almost as if women are attracted to good personalities and repelled by bad personalities. But that can’t be, because evopsych says all women are attracted to money, as a way to make sure their children are provided for, and we can’t let reality get in the way of scientific facts.
The sexuality in the first vid is definitely not for the performer nor is it of her agency, it’s totally courting the male gaze. That it’s dressed up in such childlike imagery is worse. A spoonful of sugar make the sexism go down, I guess.
Gangro goes back a lot farther than that, and I highly doubt it would be a thing in Korea.
^ganguro
Ganguro is really not a thing in Korea. I’m not going to bother to argue the rest of this – if someone doesn’t see the objectification then they don’t see it, but that doesn’t mean it’s nto there.
RE: AnonymousGuy
You get the feeling with a lot of these guys that at some point they developed the idea that life is supposed to be this nonstop carnival where nothing is ever difficult or boring or unfair and that when they realized this wasn’t the case they looked around and saw some women and said “THEY STOLE OUR CARNIVAL.”
I don’t understand this at all, especially in adults. I mean, I was dealing with responsibility and rape in my teens; life was about duty and tenacity, not fun. I can’t imagine it being innocent freewheeling fun. Did I just have hard luck or what?