Men’s Rights Redditors wonder why nobody else realizes that the ladies aren’t oppressed any more

“*except mango, obviously.”

And avocado.

Seriously though, I am unable to fathom how you can be that…not upset by, not hurt by, and snark is too kind…that much contempt for something you didn’t know existed ten minutes ago. I could get it if the “something” in question had bearing on your life but fictionkin just don’t, not even remotely.

Seriously, you’re a fairy kitty from Mars? How’s the weather on Mars lately? Or, for less forgiving people — what sort of kitty? So you like [breed]? Derail to cats!

Or, you know, assuming it wasn’t rude, which could be construed as relevant to you, fucking ignore it.

Argenti: Avacado isn’t a fruit, it’s a nut (but don’t eat the actual nut… it’s toxic).

Even the various otherkin I think to be delusional, not, by and large, a problem. I have a friend whom I am informed (it’s not come up between us) is an alien. Has an entire language, etc. which fleshes it out. It’s unfalsifiable. To me, it’s false. To them, it’s the way things are.

And it’s as nothing to me, because it’s harmless to me. Helpful as all fuck to them.

So saying they are screwy, stupid, and otherwise not right in the head, that’s a harm and whatever my opinions about the veracity of it… matter not a bit to the asshole-nature of what those who deny it to the face of those who have a belief which harms no one (and otherkin, etc. is that: one can’t even hide behind the, “x” movement hurts lots of people, and “y” parallel group gives them cover” which the anti-religious can drag out [and which Richard fucking Dawkins hides behind, when he’s not using religious extremists to justify abusing women).

Argenti, katz, pecunium – ::applauds::

katz, I’m just now (as in, this thread) getting to the place you describe. Thank you for describing it so clearly.

pecunium – “And it’s as nothing to me, because it’s harmless to me. Helpful as all fuck to them.”

Which is precisely how the only two actual mental health professionals I’ve had dealings with take my situation. Doesn’t matter what their beliefs are, it’s the practical effect of the patient’s beliefs they’re concerned about. Does a person’s belief cause them harm, does it undermine them, make them unhappy, or make them behave badly to others? Then they need help getting away from it. Does it give them strength, make them happy, and not make them behave badly (or even help them behave better) to others? Great, go for it!

In fact it’d be amusing to see their reaction to Asshole Atheists in that respect.

And “Richard fucking Dawkins” indeed. That jackass gets my hackles up all the time.

@grumpycatisagirl

And there are six state constitutions that include “religious tests” for holding public office.

Um wow O_o did not know that.

@argenti aertheri

Part of my problem with all this though is that “theist privilege” ignores all the major religions (and of course the less well known ones too) that are openly vilified — Islam for example, or the micro-aggressions Jews face (anyone here care to answer how annoying “ze totally jew’ed me” is to a Jew? Cuz I usually want to smack my father for it)

Yeah, I’m mostly staying out of this cuz I don’t know much about shit atheists face, being not an atheist, but that rubbed me the wrong way too. In US (only place I can speak about, it’s where I live) it feels like it isn’t so much as a theist privilege thing as a christianity privilege thing. :/

@Tenya re: homeschool

I mean, I’m with falconer. Its not like the only options are “no homeschool” and “completely unregulated homeschool where you dont have to teach your kids anything”.

@mnekora

which rights dont atheists have? I am curious (not like, saying youre lying; I just honestly havent hear about this before)

okay, after i wrote this question grumpycatisagirl said

And there are six state constitutions that include “religious tests” for holding public office.

which is fucked up regardless. 😐

I assumed earlier that when you were talking about atheists facing descrimination, it wasnt things in the law but generally opinions religious people had about atheists, like that they dont have a moral compass. (like grumpygirlisacat mentioned we might have a long time before an atheist president…)

We, as atheists, have it pretty nice, I think, for one large reason: you can’t “look like an atheist”. I can hang up my atheist hat in real life, and nobody knows about it. On the other hand, you can “look Muslim”, and you definitely can’t stop being a woman when it suits you either. For the most part, atheists can hide and blend in, and we avoid the worst oppression that way. People react to you differently if they know you are an atheist. The reactions can be downright hostile.

um, well you cant “look gay” or “look lesbian” but i don’t really thing that makes it easier on gay or lesbians… So I’m confused?

I do like, not really like getting in these atheism conversations because i admit to being out of my depth (Im a semi-christian who does not really have much experience talking about religion with other people. except on manboobz.).

THo with what Argenti said, I’m wondering if it’s atheists or just anybody generally non christian treated skeptically by fundy christians.

@Kittehs

that is an evil looking fairy kitty!

Yes, “theist privilege” is a ridiculous term. Right-sort-of-Christian privilege is the thing.

Just a note about those six state constitutions I mentioned that require people to believe in God to run for office – I don’t live or have ever lived in any of those states and don’t know if those articles are really enforced or have much of an impact at all on modern life. I’m sure it’s all very old language. But I still think it’s crummy that that language is in them – most of it is along the lines of “No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office under this Constitution.”

Can one weasel one’s way out of the wording? If they don’t want to know who the Supreme Being is, well, I’d be quite happy to say yes, I do. They don’t need to know I’m talking about Ceiling Cat. 😉

Kittehserf – if you take these constitutions literally they don’t seem to care which Supreme Being you believe in, as long as you believe in at least one. So Ceiling Cat shouldn’t pose any problem for you.

Thought so. It’s about like saying “yes” with your fingers crossed behind your back – which shows how silly the requirement is anyway. Like belief in Ceiling Cat Basement Cat a Supreme Being is any guarantee of moral rectitude.

“Argenti: Avacado isn’t a fruit, it’s a nut (but don’t eat the actual nut… it’s toxic).”

Eating the nut would require me to touch the thing, to the point that the whole “readily available toxin” thing isn’t enough (hey, sometimes such things are sorta relevant…email me if we’re going there)

Katz — I more or less got over it sometime around deciding my father was an asshole. Obviously his rants about LGB people are full of shit cuz uh? Yeah, last I checked I wasn’t intentionally infecting anyone with AIDS (hell, last I checked I didn’t have it and seeing how I’ve done exactly zero things that might expose me since, this entire line of “thought” is absolutely moot) — the bigotry kinda became obvious when it included me. Yeah, I know, selfish. But that was pretty much the cascade for everything else that no, really, they’re people too, and probably not so different from me, cuz human.

Last one to go? *hangs head in shame* I was still all weird about furries when my sorta-an-ex-we-never-dated showed off zir fursuit (lol, foamsuit really, but that’s neither here nor there) and my “fuck, ok, maybe it is just my thing about masks” kicked in. And thus was born my “is it relevant to me or harming me? Nope? Then whatever”.

I still get the creeps from people in…masks isn’t right, cuz Halloween masks don’t do it. Those cartoon things at amusement parks more (yeah I did not enjoy Disney, sea world was another matter, until I dropped my camera and ruined the thing, held out a few more years with TLC but a broken gasket is a broken gasket). But that’s more or less irrational and thus my fucking problem.

LBT — honestly? Multiples were one of those “don’t know if real” things until I met you. My psych TA for the course that came up in wavered from “extremely rare” to “psych created”. At a guess, it’s a combo of shit like multiple miggs (*sigh* and I can only enjoy Session 9 anymore if I go with the “Simon’s a demon” theory…email me if you want the plot explained), and the DSM criteria of loosing time.

And then I started hanging out here and well, HI PERSON WHO EXISTS! And hey Sneak and Mac and Gigi and Mir, though we’ve never met I don’t think, funny how you exist and all! (Gigi is berating me huh?)

“LBT — honestly? Multiples were one of those “don’t know if real” things until I met you.”

Me too, Argenti.

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(Niko! Off the laptop! Mama’s turn to type!)

My general response to finding out about the more unconventional lives of fellow Manboobzers:

With the occasional “You can do that?!”