Some of you may have noticed that I often tag my posts here with the phrase “Men Who Should Not Ever Be With Women Ever.” From time to time I worry that I’m being a tad harsh. After all, not all of these fellas are totally irredeemable, right? Right?
And then I run across some guys for whom my tag is if anything a gross understatement. So today, some Men Who Should Not Ever Be With Women Ever Ever Ever Ever Ever. And our dear old friend Roosh, the woman-hating woman-chaser, heads up the list.
The other day on Roosh’s forum, some twisted asshole posted a link to a news story about two hikers who had been rescued after getting lost in the fog in a state park in Maine — only to drown after accidentally driving off a boat launch on their way out of the park and getting trapped in their minivan.
Oh yeah, they were women.
The commenter on Roosh’s forum thought this was hilarious “proof of the equality of the genders, except when it comes to navigation, opening doors, etc.”
While a few of the commenters reacted like decent human beings and pointed out that this story wasn’t actually funny — raising the question of why they were hanging out on Roosh’s forum in the first place — others joined in with their own “jokes.”
Roosh himself set the tone, seizing on the detail that one of the women had called for help on her cell phone as as the minivan sank.
This is what happens when you create a culture of helpless women dependent on the state for everything.
The LAST thing I would think of in their case is to make a phone call with a car filling with water. Too bad they were idiots, but god gave them a chance at life on the mountain. He just said “fuck it” and let them die.
Regular forum contributor Scorpion added:
I really don’t understand how the fuck it’s possible to drive your car at full speed off a boat ramp and then have your first response be to pull out your fucking cell phone.
It’s a good case study for what happens to women when left to their own devices in a world without men. Completely and utterly helpless in a crisis. Any time something goes wrong, just pick up the phone and call a man to fix it.
Lady, that might work when it’s your basement is filling up with water, but not when it’s the sinking car you’re sitting in.
The death of the unborn baby was like a mercy-kill from God. If they had lived, no doubt the dimwitted mother would have found some other way to kill them both, like leaving the gas on or dropping a radio in the tub while bathing the baby. Amazing she made it to her late 30s. I wonder how many times the men in her life have bailed her out before.
And someone called Divorco offered his two cents as well:
This is not funny, it is a terrible tragedy
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… because an innocent dog died too.
There’s more of this, much more.
And these are men who honestly think they’re inherently superior to women.
26 years ago I almost drowned in a swimming pool when a kid jumped on me from the side and held me underwater.
Drowning is not a pleasant way to go. It’s terrifying and incredibly painful. To this day I can recall every moment of struggling to get to the air, just a few feet above me, as this little fuck held me down and laughed.
Luckily, I had enough rational mind left to bite that little shit so hard he needed stitches.
(His parents weren’t paying attention to what their budding sociopath was doing, and when they heard that little puke screaming and saw me under the water with his blood blooming around me they hauled him out over the side and then me. His Mom stayed with me to make sure I would be okay while his dad hauled him off.)
None of the assholes claiming they would “know what to do” have a clue how it is to feel your lungs struggling for air that just isn’t there as every muscles and fiber BURNS and your mind flips over and over trying to cope with it’s own impending end.
They’re all a bunch of broken chucklefucks without a shred of human decency.
If a hole in space-time opened up and swallowed the lot of them I don’t think I’d be the least bit sorry.
These dudes are stupid (I know, this is a shocking opinion to hold).
We do what we know how to do. We know how to do what we’ve practiced. How many of them have, “wargamed” getting out of a sinking vehicle? How many have had a sudden influx of water *smashing* them (which is what you get if you break the window). How many know you have to wait that out; if you didn’t get the windows down soon enough to have the vehicle flood “gradually”.
Hell, there was a guy in Calif. who was missing for months. He had fallen asleep and the car left the road and ended up in the Aqueduct. He drowned. I’m pretty sure he was awake by the time the car hit the water.
If you worry about it (I do) have something solid in a reliable spot, that you can bang the window with. The outside pressure will make it much more prone to breaking. They make tools for this which one can keep on a key ring (the are also legal in places where kubota aren’t, so you have a self-defense tool too).
This is the Tom Martin School of Research. Reading his twitter (At Sexismbusters, no space) is hysterical, he gets slapped by people saying exactly those things and says, “yes, but we proved it” and goes back to his nonsense (he claims to be filming).
I think they see divorce as a mechanism by which women are able to pursue hypergamous lifestyles and steal money from men. Also, women always initiate divorce, excpet in rare cases where a poor downbeaten man is FORCED to despite having to pay 110% of his income in alimony forever.
I think you’ve hit on the issue right here. They don’t want women to be free to leave marriages. For all the bitching they do about women’s “dependence on the State,” they actually don’t want women to be independent. They want women to have no agency, no options, no right to say “no.”
Man, these guys are just total skidmarks on the undies of humanity.
I almost drowned once, it’s not pleasant at all.
Quoting myself, because I just realized that there are two obvious MRA interpretations to make of this.
1. Men don’t wear life jackets because feminism has taught everyone that men are disposable, and therefore women, children and dogs take all the life jackets.
2. Men don’t wear life jackets because women only want to fuck tough guys who refuse any safety measures, and therefore men are forced to abstain from life jackets in order to get da seks.
I think Kittehs came up with the best curse for these guys: self-awareness + a conscience are suddenly transplanted in them. Realizing you’d wasted your life being a complete shitstain.
“I think it’s hard to read the SCUM manifesto as good satire because, IMO, satire that gets wildly misunderstood and used to prove all sorts of things completely contrary to what it was meant to prove isn’t good satire.”
See, I think there’s a distinction to be made between obvious satire, non-obvious satire, and a plain ol’ poe.
@Alice
Wow. Did they not re-read the beginning of the sentence they typed?
@katz
I saw someone on tumblr talking about it, but decided against watching it. So…kinda? But I know what you’re talking about.
@Guffaw-ferrets
‘course one you get on manboobz (or at least once I did) you have to know what it is, cuz trolls love it XD
@kate
oh wow. 🙁 All the internet hugs, if you want them.
Okay, so maybe I’m a little slow lately… I haven’t really been sleeping, and when I do there tends to be a lot of nightmares and thrashing around so much that one of my cats bit me last night and it’s puffy and red and kinda hot and since I don’t have a job and the startup isn’t quite off the ground yet, I don’t have insurance, so I’m taking the antibiotics that were left over from my last run-in between stairs and my ballerina-like grace.
Starting a small business is great! Ask me how!!
Anyway, sorry to necro the Hugo Fucking Schwyzer discussion, but it just occurred to me that the manospherians are all wailing and gnashing their teeth and rending their garments about how terrible it is for him, and how of course he is exhausted with all the controversy with the ebil femininininies who have, like, totally no compassion at all for when someone is hounded and harassed so much that they can’t do their work, and OF COURSE he has to leave his job for a while and it will be ALL OUR FAULT if he commits suicide, and I’m like, “You, dudes! Remember how you keep telling like, every woman ever who has the temerity to express her ideas and opinions online that if she doesn’t like rape threats and harassment and doxxing and the like that maybe she should just go back to the kitchen and make a sammich? Seriously, go fuck yourselves.”
I’m considering reading SCUM at some point just to know what people are talking about, since I personally know a number of feminists who think it’s such a great read. I’ve read some extracts of it, and those extracts have just been, um, don’t know if this is the correct English term, but, “difference feminism”? Like “men and women are essentially different in their personalities, and women are so much better than men because women give life and because women do this women are naturally more empathic and passionate and caring and yada yada and that’s why women ought to have much more power in the world, with women in important positions everywhere the world would turn into a much more caring and empathic place”. You know what I’m talking about, right?
What really astounds me is that all feminists I know hate that kind of crap when it comes from someone with generally conservative views, but when stuff like that comes from Valerie Solanas some of them suddenly eat it up?
I’m honestly nonplussed by this, and that’s why I think I gotta read SCUM at some point and see if things start to make sense when you read all of it.
I’ve read some of it and honestly it didn’t read like satire to me, it read like a very angry person ranting. I can see why it bothers people. If the intention was to write satire then it failed, imo.
Re: Car Windows, pressure, and the ability to open them
The pressure inward on the window presses it hard against the frame of the door. This creates drag, so that as you try to open the window, moving it downward, it has friction that normally isn’t there.
Ever try to open a window that was frozen in place? If it’s frozen tight enough you can break the part adhering the window to the handle mechanism before breaking the frost. Depending on the internal construction of the cranking mechanism.
So it is absolutely critical to get the window open before you are underwater. Electric windows don’t actually apply very much force (this is a feature, not a bug–the idea being that they don’t want to be able to apply enough upward force to, say, cut your arm in half). And they tend to stop working pretty quickly underwater.
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Yeah, I drive by some lakes where the road is basically right next to the lake with no safety railings or anything. Being on the fire department means knowing that guy died right there when he went in.
I’d like to see them try to open a car door underwater. Not so manly now.
This post requires brain bleach in the form of recognizing that the baby above looks just like Patrick Stewart.
katz: Opening car windows underwater shouldn’t be any harder because the car window slides down so it’s always perpendicular to the water pressure. The electric motor is the problem. My mother used to tell us our beater’s hand crank windows were a safety feature for that reason.
Wouldn’t that increase the pressure on the rails the window is touching, thus increasing the friction? I think the motors might not have enough power to overcome that, even if the aren’t shorted out.
Ugh. What bullshit. And the worst part is he’s making the same argument all the worst fans constantly make and now they’re going to feel justified.
TW: Drowning:
To go back to my “wargaming” comment. I was sort of waterboarded once. It was while I was training with the British Army. We were using kayaks in a scottish loch. I got tipped, and over I went. I knew I was about to be in the water. I stopped breathing.
But I was strapped into a kayak, and water was forced UP my nose (being upside down does that, but your brain doesn’t care *why* only *what*). I had a moment of panic.
But before we went into the water Cpl Fox (the trainer): and we’d had to to a swimming test as one of the first days events/checks for fitness, if you failed that test, no getting in any water for you), showed us how to use the skirting, and more importantly she inverted her kayak and emerged.
So there I was, having a moment of panic, and then I remembered the drill, popped the skirt, pulled myself out and got into the air.
Then I put my feet out, so I could get the boat back to shore and climb in again, and discovered the water wasn’t more than about 4′ deep. The next time I went over it was easy-peasy; but I’ll never forget the first time. That moment of, “WTF DO I DO!” was immense, and absent the training/mental prep, I don’t know that I’d have figured it out before I inhaled some water and it was all over.
“It hurts men because it makes them look like callous sociopaths, which most men are not.”
I really, really dislike the notion that men do not have strong feelings and empathy or if they do they are not men. I especially hate it when it manifests in the belief that men are not capable caretakers. Fuck that. It’s so insulting to men who choose nursing, childcare, or homemaking as their profession.
These are not men who should never be around women…these are men who should never be around people.
Or pets.
We should send them all to Reddit Island.
As much as I have my issues with Roosh, I would say that he condones drowning of any sort. Guys say certain things for shock value, and I think Rooshites are those characters (as Roissy-ites).
Roosh is a stupid turd. I wish there was some way for the women he seduces to know, under all his game, that he is a person who spends time on the internet laughing about people who have drowned.
Based on his own descriptions, I get the impression that the women Roosh “seduces” fall into two categories:
1. Very poor and desperate Eastern European sex workers.
2. Imaginary.
I’m sure both groups already know he’s a turd.
For once, Socialkenny gets something right!