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Jane Austen and the Rape-Threatening Men

The face that launched a thousand threatening tweets.
The face that launched a thousand threatening tweets.

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So what sorts of things make some men so furious that they feel the need to send women they’ve never met literal death and rape threats on the internet? It doesn’t take much, apparently. A woman suggesting that it’s not such a good idea to hit on women in elevators at 4 AM. A woman making  videos suggesting that there’s sexism in video games. A woman captured on video telling some men to shut the fuck up. A woman complaining about sexist jokes at a tech conference.

Add to this: a woman campaigning successfully to have Jane Austen’s face put on the Bank of England’s ten pound notes.

Over the past week, writer and activist Caroline Criado-Perez, who organized the campaign to get Austen memorialized on the bank note, has been harassed relentlessly on Twitter by assholes and misogynists and trolls for her efforts. Some of this harassment has taken the form of literal rape and death threats. One 21-year-old Manchester man was arrested and questioned in connection with the threats.

Similar threats and harassment were directed at noted British classics professor Mary Beard and female Members of Parliament.

Here’s a sadly typical example of one of the threatening comments sent to Criado-Perez from an account that Twitter temporarily banned — then reinstated.

https://twitter.com/CCriadoPerez/status/362499703285358592

And a more graphic example:

https://twitter.com/ianmcqui/status/361587787511779328

And some even more graphic threats directed at female MPs.

https://twitter.com/JonathanHaynes/status/361967658087890945

https://twitter.com/JonathanHaynes/status/361964227516309504

For many more examples of messages sent to Criado-Perez and others, see  Catalina Hernández’ blog I Will Not Put Up With This: here, here, here, here, here, here and here.

And if you had any doubt about how little in the way of repercussion most of these harassers expected to get for their threatening tweets, some tweeted using what are presumably their real names. Here are some comments from one Ivan Garcia of San Diego, as collected by Hernández.

jazzmanivan

And here is his blog, where this fan of jazz, video games and threatening rape shares his poetry with the world.

The harassment obviously raises a lot of issues,most notably: Why the fuck does this keep happening? And: What’s the best way to deal with this sort of harassment — and these sorts of harassers?

Twitter has promised to add a “report abuse” button; some activists see this as a step in the right direction, while others worry that the “report abuse” button will be itself abused to shut down critics of harassment. Twitter’s record in dealing with harassers has not exactly been a great one; just ask Anita Sarkeesian.

British journalists and assorted bloggers have been trying to sort through some of these issues over the past few days. Here are some links to some of the more interesting pieces, from a variety of perspectives. (Well, I’m not including the pro-rape threat perspective.) Links aren’t necessarily endorsements.

First, for a little more background, see:

Twitter under fire after bank note campaigner is target of rape threats

Twitter faces boycott after ‘inaction’ over rape threats against feminist bank notes campaigner Caroline Criado-Perez

Caroline Criado-Perez Twitter abuse case leads to arrest

And here are some posts and pieces looking at the issues:

A ‘report abuse’ button on Twitter will create more problems than it solves, by Sharon O’Dea

A button will not, alone, rid Twitter (or the wider world) of mysogyny and abuse. These are complex issues that will take more than a button to resolve. But ‘report abuse’ buttons have been known to be widely abused on other networks. ….

Introduction of a similar mechanism on Twitter ironically creates a whole new means by which trolls can abuse those they disagree with. The report abuse button could be used to silence campaigners, like Criado-Perez, by taking advantage of the automatic blocking and account closure such a feature typically offers. In that way, it could end up putting greater power in the trolls’ hands.

Why does it always come back to rape?  by Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett and Holly Baxter of the Vagenda Magazine, in the New Statesman

Rape is the popular choice when women become more visible than they apparently should be, and that’s because it’s easy. …. Whatever their opinion, however they conducted their arguments, however well-researched and nuanced their replies to criticism are, they’re women and male trolls could rape them and that’s what really matters. …

[Academic] Mary Beard got called a “dirty old slut” with a “disgusting vagina” just as [Member of Parliament] Stella Creasy was being tweeted “YOU BETTER WATCH YOUR BACK… I’M GONNA RAPE YOU AT 8PM AND PUT THE VIDEO ALL OVER THE INTERNET”. …

The message is that women’s vaginas are, literally, always up for grabs. If they’re young, the rape threats will come thick and fast; if they’re older, maybe the trolls will settle for insulting their vaginas and telling them that they were “sluts” in the past.

If Every Male Troll Took a Walk in Women’s Shoes, Would He Finally Feel Our Outrage?  by Elizabeth Plank

Withstanding rape threats has become a right of passage for female writers or personalities, just as making them as become a right of passage for cowardly and anonymous misogynist trolls. If you’re a woman who happens to possess opinions, and write about feminist issues (god forbid!), chances are you will be violently trolled. … the issue is not that women receive more criticism than men, but rather that it comes in more violent and vitriolic forms. Men will be attacked for their opinion, whereas women will be threatened because they have opinions.

[O]ne study showed that female usernames in chat forums received 25 times more abuse than male ones. In an experiment conducted by the University of Maryland, researchers found that “Female usernames, on average, received 163 malicious private messages a day.” So all else equal, if you’re a woman online, you’re going to be on the receiving end of more hate.

I believe it. I get a lot of shit from misogynists for running this blog — and the occasional threat — but what I get is nothing compared to the harassment similarly controversial feminist bloggers who happen to be women have gotten.

What women-hating trolls really believe, by Emma Barnett

First troll up was Peter from Whitechapel. …

“She was asking for it,” he told me. According to this nitwit, if you campaign about issues such as keeping a woman on English banknotes, you should “expect to receive rape threats”. I delved further.

“If you put your head above the parapet, like she has, then you deserve this type of abuse. It’s what you get when you are a woman shouting about something,” Peter told me, starting to get a little irate. …

Then Gary from Birmingham decided to call in [and] told me in no uncertain terms that “feminists like Caroline were undermining what it is to be a man” and needed “sorting out”.

“Men are predators,” he explained calmly. “And this [rape threats] is what we do.”

And here, after all this awfulness, is a piece that manages to be funny about it all: How to use the internet without being a total loser.

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Quark
Quark
11 years ago

@ Chie – I am NOT echoing it. I am calling for these people to be exposed and punished, which “Gary” is certainly not doing.

I am just encouraging people not to live in terror because if they do the trolls win.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Maybe if we cut off Quark’s attention supply, she’ll finally fuck off.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
11 years ago

Okay, one strike, next up.

Quark, tooimpure has made it clear that there was a misunderstanding and that there was absolutely no implied rape threat in that comment. That is how someone owns a mistake and responds to it. I’m sure zie would offer an apology if asked in good faith for one.

You began with a position that your limited experience should trump everyone else, and that because you have never been harmed by one of the people who threatened you online, those threats must be actually harmless. Your intent does not matter once you have been told that your framing of the issue is offensive and you continue to double down on it.

Let me be crystal clear about this. What you said was factually incorrect and highly unhelpful. It was pointed out to you, very gently at first, that your perceptions and experience were being incorrectly applied here. That you do not like being corrected when you are wrong is understandable, but beside the point here, and such correction does not constitute an attack. Your framing of the issue is being contested, and when you decided to reject that and double down on your misapprehension of the situation, the response here has been that you can go fuck off with your trolling. No one attacked or threatened you.

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

So let me get Quark’s position straight:

Being threatened with rape and murder via the interwebs and in real life = no big deal, they won’t actually do it.

Being told to fuck off with your minimizing bullshit = THE WORST EVAR YOU GUYS

??

tooimpurenangel
11 years ago

Abuse is not the same thing as being impolite.

Hyena Girl
Hyena Girl
11 years ago

Your ‘Epic Derailing’ trophy is being shipped to you now Quark. Why don’t you go wait out by the mailbox until it shows up?

Kristineedscats
11 years ago

Geez, not just a tedious troll, but an asshole, rape-threatening apologist *pretentious* troll. The betting parlour will start taking bets on what time Quark gets her pretentious ass banned. (Outside odds that Quark will just go away are real slim, sinse such pretentious trolls just can not comprehend that people wouldn’t like them!)

dustydeste
dustydeste
11 years ago

Quark, you’re not being abused. You’re not entitled to not being called out for having shitty opinions. I’m at least as entitled to my opinions as you are to yours, and my opinion that you should fuck off is, in my opinion, much less toxic than your opinion that rape and death threats shouldn’t be taken seriously.

But if your hurt feelings equate to abuse in your sad, small little mind, feel free to go away. It’s not like we’ll follow you elsewhere. Unlike, y’know, actual abusers.

cloudiah
11 years ago

cloudiah: I can see them writing a half-assed petition to have Warren Farrell’s face put on the ten, but it going absolutely nowhere.

Didn’t they do that petition to rename Vancouver to Mancouver, and half the signatures on it were from people making fun of them, and even with the mocking signatures they only got a tiny fraction of what they needed? Did I dream that?

Quark
Quark
11 years ago

@ gillyrose, uh no, the attacks on me started immediately, there was nothing “gentle” about it. And you cannot read my opening post and tell me in good faith you think I was trying to “start shit” as I have been accused of.

You honestly can’t see there is anything inappropriate about the response towards me?

I never said “my limited experience should trump everyone else”. Why do people keep ascribing things to me I haven’t said? What I said was not factually incorrect. The fact is the majority of people who make threats on the internet don’t carry them through. That is a fact. That does NOT make them okay, as I said from the beginning. These people should be exposed and punished, as I said from the beginning.

I just don’t see how it is helpful to anyone to live in a state of paralysed terror. It is always better to feel safe.

seraph4377
11 years ago

*Waves*

Hi, Quark. I’m a long-timer here, though I don’t post much anymore.

I’m going to give you some advice, honest and well-meant: stop. Look around. Read other threads. Find out what the culture is here. When you come back to another thread, don’t try to pretend that this thread didn’t happen. An apology would be best, but people have gotten by without one after some long-term good behavior.

This advice is premised on the idea that you are what you seem to be: someone who has put your foot in it in a way you don’t understand, and is now on the defensive.

I’ve seen this happen before. It doesn’t end well for you. You’ve already burned through your benefit of the doubt; no one is going to cut you any breaks from this point on. You will not be allowed the last word. That’s the purpose of the “Recent Posts” function. You will be hounded to exhaustion. Your Manboobz career will last one post, maybe two. Because you didn’t take the time to get to know the culture.

Of course, if you’re just a troll, you’ll be banned soon enough. Dave has less patience for that sort of nonsense than he once did.

tooimpurenangel
11 years ago

Oh, dear. I thought I had apologized.

Quark

My wording was thoughtless and I understand that the perception of a threat of rape would upset anyone. I’m sorry if my comment hurt you and any offense it caused.

titianblue
titianblue
11 years ago

Oooh, I leave work to head home and miss all the nail polish talk. i’ve a pitcher of Pimms with strawberries & mint in it in the ‘fridge to share if I can join the cool clique in the corner.

CL
CL
11 years ago

Yeah, sorry I engaged with the derailing so much you guys. The actual subject matter of the post is so fucking upsetting. I agree about the ‘report abuse’ button, seems likely it would just become another trolling, silencing tactic. I have a friend that keeps talking about how the internet is evil because it gives credence & amplification to this ‘small, vocal minority’ and that just chaps my ass too.

tooimpurenangel
11 years ago

@titianblue

that sounds delicious!

dustydeste
dustydeste
11 years ago

Mmmmmm, that sounds delicious, titianblue!

Quark
Quark
11 years ago

@ Seraph437 – sigh. I’ve said a million times I have read loads of threads here. I will leave when I decide to (or if Mr Futrelle decides for me), but I certainly won’t be bullied out of here by people who have no more right to be here than I do. Sorry.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Gillybeerose — that’s horrible, I’m so sorry, and extra sorry that Quark’s triggered you.

“Has anyone emailed the Dark Lord about Quark? This wouldn’t be the first time a troll has pulled the long con.”

I literally just emailed pecunium that I smell sock (he’s at work, so I’m emailing him the highlights). I’m seeing ten pages in the definition of “misandry” here, anyone else?

titianblue
titianblue
11 years ago

The problem with Twitter as I see it is not the supplying of a Report Abuse button but the proper moderating of the reporting done. I assume they just can’t be a4sed. Pretty much like Facebook before the campaign hit them in the pocket by going after their advertising revenue.

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

@ gillyrose, uh no, the attacks on me started immediately, there was nothing “gentle” about it. And you cannot read my opening post and tell me in good faith you think I was trying to “start shit” as I have been accused of.

I read your opening post.

I thought to myself, “oh, lord, this Quark person is starting some shit, huh?”

You honestly can’t see there is anything inappropriate about the response towards me?

I was going to respond to you with some swearing earlier, but I didn’t, because hellkell was doing it and is better at it than I am. So, totally appropriate.

I never said “my limited experience should trump everyone else”. Why do people keep ascribing things to me I haven’t said?

…but you did. YOU FUCKING DID. That’s your problem. You can’t see that you did.

Take a deep breath, and re-read your opening post. Because you totally did, and if you can’t see it, then you are… well.

I just don’t see how it is helpful to anyone to live in a state of paralysed terror. It is always better to feel safe.

Treating what people say as if they actually mean them =/= paralysed terror.

Quark
Quark
11 years ago

Thanks tooimpure, I appreciate it.

sarahlizhousespouse
11 years ago

“‘Men are predators,” he explained calmly. “And this [rape threats] is what we do.'”

Lovely. A man calling all men predators. Pooka said it best when he said sometimes “men are their own worst enemies.”

Michael Søndberg Olsen

Quark, abuse is indeed a sliding scale and your’s from anyone on this blog don’t rate.

chibigodzilla
11 years ago

I simply do not understand why you couldn’t all state your disagreements without resorting to attacks and swearing. That is inexplicable to me. And it’s hypocritical, whether you can see that or admit it or not.

We did
titanblue said:

Not all that comforting, actually.

hellkell said:

Yeah, that’s not as reassuring as you might think. I’m guessing you’ve never been on the receiving end.

Ally S said

1) Discerning whether a threat is genuine isn’t as easy as you think it is, and
2) even the non-genuine threats are forms of manipulation via verbal abuse, and that alone makes them reprehensible.

Chie replied directly here. I wont ctrl-c ctrl-v that one because it’s kinda long.

tooimpureangel said:

f somebody has dehumanized you to the point where they are making rape and death threats, you are in danger. They think of you as less than human. Hope that helps.

Chie hits it out of the park with this one:

Focusing on how the bullied should behave achieves NOTHING. Telling someone who is receiving rape and death threats that “you probably won’t really get raped or killed” achieves NOTHING.

And it goes on and on. Other commenters did try to engage in good faith and you decided to double down, pitch a fit, tone trolled, and are now doubling down on the tone trolling.

CL
CL
11 years ago

Also, yes please, titianblue! I have some fresh, homemade tabbouleh salad to share!

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