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Jane Austen and the Rape-Threatening Men

The face that launched a thousand threatening tweets.
The face that launched a thousand threatening tweets.

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So what sorts of things make some men so furious that they feel the need to send women they’ve never met literal death and rape threats on the internet? It doesn’t take much, apparently. A woman suggesting that it’s not such a good idea to hit on women in elevators at 4 AM. A woman making  videos suggesting that there’s sexism in video games. A woman captured on video telling some men to shut the fuck up. A woman complaining about sexist jokes at a tech conference.

Add to this: a woman campaigning successfully to have Jane Austen’s face put on the Bank of England’s ten pound notes.

Over the past week, writer and activist Caroline Criado-Perez, who organized the campaign to get Austen memorialized on the bank note, has been harassed relentlessly on Twitter by assholes and misogynists and trolls for her efforts. Some of this harassment has taken the form of literal rape and death threats. One 21-year-old Manchester man was arrested and questioned in connection with the threats.

Similar threats and harassment were directed at noted British classics professor Mary Beard and female Members of Parliament.

Here’s a sadly typical example of one of the threatening comments sent to Criado-Perez from an account that Twitter temporarily banned — then reinstated.

https://twitter.com/CCriadoPerez/status/362499703285358592

And a more graphic example:

https://twitter.com/ianmcqui/status/361587787511779328

And some even more graphic threats directed at female MPs.

https://twitter.com/JonathanHaynes/status/361967658087890945

https://twitter.com/JonathanHaynes/status/361964227516309504

For many more examples of messages sent to Criado-Perez and others, see  Catalina Hernández’ blog I Will Not Put Up With This: here, here, here, here, here, here and here.

And if you had any doubt about how little in the way of repercussion most of these harassers expected to get for their threatening tweets, some tweeted using what are presumably their real names. Here are some comments from one Ivan Garcia of San Diego, as collected by Hernández.

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And here is his blog, where this fan of jazz, video games and threatening rape shares his poetry with the world.

The harassment obviously raises a lot of issues,most notably: Why the fuck does this keep happening? And: What’s the best way to deal with this sort of harassment — and these sorts of harassers?

Twitter has promised to add a “report abuse” button; some activists see this as a step in the right direction, while others worry that the “report abuse” button will be itself abused to shut down critics of harassment. Twitter’s record in dealing with harassers has not exactly been a great one; just ask Anita Sarkeesian.

British journalists and assorted bloggers have been trying to sort through some of these issues over the past few days. Here are some links to some of the more interesting pieces, from a variety of perspectives. (Well, I’m not including the pro-rape threat perspective.) Links aren’t necessarily endorsements.

First, for a little more background, see:

Twitter under fire after bank note campaigner is target of rape threats

Twitter faces boycott after ‘inaction’ over rape threats against feminist bank notes campaigner Caroline Criado-Perez

Caroline Criado-Perez Twitter abuse case leads to arrest

And here are some posts and pieces looking at the issues:

A ‘report abuse’ button on Twitter will create more problems than it solves, by Sharon O’Dea

A button will not, alone, rid Twitter (or the wider world) of mysogyny and abuse. These are complex issues that will take more than a button to resolve. But ‘report abuse’ buttons have been known to be widely abused on other networks. ….

Introduction of a similar mechanism on Twitter ironically creates a whole new means by which trolls can abuse those they disagree with. The report abuse button could be used to silence campaigners, like Criado-Perez, by taking advantage of the automatic blocking and account closure such a feature typically offers. In that way, it could end up putting greater power in the trolls’ hands.

Why does it always come back to rape?  by Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett and Holly Baxter of the Vagenda Magazine, in the New Statesman

Rape is the popular choice when women become more visible than they apparently should be, and that’s because it’s easy. …. Whatever their opinion, however they conducted their arguments, however well-researched and nuanced their replies to criticism are, they’re women and male trolls could rape them and that’s what really matters. …

[Academic] Mary Beard got called a “dirty old slut” with a “disgusting vagina” just as [Member of Parliament] Stella Creasy was being tweeted “YOU BETTER WATCH YOUR BACK… I’M GONNA RAPE YOU AT 8PM AND PUT THE VIDEO ALL OVER THE INTERNET”. …

The message is that women’s vaginas are, literally, always up for grabs. If they’re young, the rape threats will come thick and fast; if they’re older, maybe the trolls will settle for insulting their vaginas and telling them that they were “sluts” in the past.

If Every Male Troll Took a Walk in Women’s Shoes, Would He Finally Feel Our Outrage?  by Elizabeth Plank

Withstanding rape threats has become a right of passage for female writers or personalities, just as making them as become a right of passage for cowardly and anonymous misogynist trolls. If you’re a woman who happens to possess opinions, and write about feminist issues (god forbid!), chances are you will be violently trolled. … the issue is not that women receive more criticism than men, but rather that it comes in more violent and vitriolic forms. Men will be attacked for their opinion, whereas women will be threatened because they have opinions.

[O]ne study showed that female usernames in chat forums received 25 times more abuse than male ones. In an experiment conducted by the University of Maryland, researchers found that “Female usernames, on average, received 163 malicious private messages a day.” So all else equal, if you’re a woman online, you’re going to be on the receiving end of more hate.

I believe it. I get a lot of shit from misogynists for running this blog — and the occasional threat — but what I get is nothing compared to the harassment similarly controversial feminist bloggers who happen to be women have gotten.

What women-hating trolls really believe, by Emma Barnett

First troll up was Peter from Whitechapel. …

“She was asking for it,” he told me. According to this nitwit, if you campaign about issues such as keeping a woman on English banknotes, you should “expect to receive rape threats”. I delved further.

“If you put your head above the parapet, like she has, then you deserve this type of abuse. It’s what you get when you are a woman shouting about something,” Peter told me, starting to get a little irate. …

Then Gary from Birmingham decided to call in [and] told me in no uncertain terms that “feminists like Caroline were undermining what it is to be a man” and needed “sorting out”.

“Men are predators,” he explained calmly. “And this [rape threats] is what we do.”

And here, after all this awfulness, is a piece that manages to be funny about it all: How to use the internet without being a total loser.

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CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Ugh, the magic kingdom for sale book. I was still a kid when I tried to read that and even then it seemed painfully simplistic.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Also cheesy. Like cringing in second-hand embarrassment cheesy.

pecunium
11 years ago

giilyrosebeee: Do they make any concession to the idea that it’s the leaving that’s the cause of the hardship?

Falconer
11 years ago

I played (and beat) the first two, but I admit doing a lot of “let’s try everything with everything”. ^^;

That’s how I got through Grim Fandango, choppy video and all.

Falconer
11 years ago

I just remembered another one.

Raymond E. feckin’ Feist.

Not only could I not get through the one book he wrote that I tried to read, but also I could not get through the Betrayal at Krondor video game I tried to play. Fortunately, it was freeware at that point.

There are lots of video games I haven’t finished, but few I totally gave up on in frustration. I couldn’t get anywhere because people would hop out and slaughter my party. My brother had similar problems playing Wizardry Gold.

Falconer
11 years ago

Oh lord, I clicked through to that Shannara video game Wiki page …

AROYNT THEE!

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

I loved Terry Brooks!

When I was 11. By 15, it wasn’t really working for me.

Re: The Belgariad, and having to go EVERY KINGDOM.

I read the last book first. As a standalone book, it’s actually quite good. It doesn’t have that rushed ‘must go to all the places, for reasons’ feel, doesn’t feel like it has filler… the Belgariad was a more than sufficient story for one book. Stretching it out into a cycle? That was just plain lazy.

Take it from Pratchett. You can simply put a satisfying ending on every book you put out, AND put them all in this incredibly detailed world you’re building. Honest.

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

Oh, Raymond Feist.

I read the three books that are ‘from the other side’ in his riftwar saga, and loved them. LOVED THEM. But every time I tried to read the others, it was just so… flat, boring, the same things happening over and over and over again.

Took me forever to figure out that the coauthor on those three particular books, Janny Wurts, was the one I should have been following, not the series. I mean, duh.

pecunium
11 years ago

gha… the borken page thing means I missed a lot of comments, so I see the vapid stupidity of Leavitt is already covered.

pecunium
11 years ago

I notice that Quark pulled an anti-flounce. “I will be back, you can’t make me leave” and then crickets.

Hyena Girl
Hyena Girl
11 years ago

Pecunium, you just saved me from paging back as I opened up this thread to see if Quark had ever come back. Thanks!

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
11 years ago

@Pecunium …and Dubner, too. They both seem committed to the idea that their willingness to adhere to economic logic to the explicit exclusion of any form of humanistic values makes them uniquely situated to pass judgement on the social questions of the day, to illuminate for us poor, benighted idiots the ‘hidden side’ of cultural phenomena that we are too blinkered and lost in our lack of an economists perspective to see clearly. We many, we uneconomically irrational many, we silly, messy human beings.

They do note that the hardship is indeed imposed (my word) on the mother and child when a father leaves after the birth of a daughter or declines to marry the mother, though this terribly, momentously significant 3.1% difference is still couched in terms of the fault of the daughters, not those of the flawed and misogynistic cultural expectations and values of the fathers.

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

RE: katz

“The Color of Her Panties” has to win some kind of prize for title/cover-art dissonance.

Apparently, the cover artist was so horrified by the book title, that he tried to minimize the panties as much as he could humanly get away with. I can’t say I blame him; I wouldn’t want to draw that either. He’d been drawing the Xanth covers (along with a slew of others; Mr. Sweet was mega-prolific) since probably 1980, but that was pushing his limit.

Also, as I recall, the cover actually IS relevant to what happens in the book. (OH GOD I AM SORRY THAT I KNOW THIS.)

RE: pecunium

Oh, Freakanomics. I’m glad I read it, but I’m also glad my mind’s mostly erased it from the memory bannks, making room for such valuable information as the social behavior of yellow jackets and how neurons work.

RE: Falconer

ZOMG GRIM FANDANGO! 8D That game was a blast. Then again, I am firmly of the opinion that point-and-click adventure games are best played in the company of someone who’s played it once before, to give you a couple pointers if you get stuck. (It was traditional in my family to give at least one random piece of advice whenever we loaned out our King’s Quest games. You know, shit like, “Don’t go in the water,” or “DON’T EAT THE PIE.”) We’re currently playing Laura Bow II blind–we’ll see if we make it!

freemage
11 years ago

I have long considered Sword of Shannara’s unofficial subtitle to be “Lord of the Ring for Dummies”.

Pratchett’s the bomb, of course. (I may be the last person on the planet to use ‘the bomb’ as unironic praise.) I encourage anyone who has not yet done so to read the Tiffany Aching books, in particular–technically for a YA audience, but DAMN it’s awesome stuff.

Oh, and of course, Good Omens. I think those two gents are wise to never do another collaboration, honestly–trying to top that particular work would likely be nigh-impossible.

katz
11 years ago

Apparently, the cover artist was so horrified by the book title, that he tried to minimize the panties as much as he could humanly get away with. I can’t say I blame him; I wouldn’t want to draw that either. He’d been drawing the Xanth covers (along with a slew of others; Mr. Sweet was mega-prolific) since probably 1980, but that was pushing his limit.

Such is the dilemma of the fantasy publisher staff artist. Poor guy.

freemage
11 years ago

Okay, read a bit of Hugo’s whine. This bit annoyed me quite a bit:

How is your voice different than the feminist perspective women are already providing in these outlets?
I’m talking about and challenging men. People were angry, thinking I am the big, white man explaining women to women. I admit that at times I may have unintentionally done that. But my hope was to challenge men and explain men to women, especially women who second guess themselves in personal relationships.

He starts out okay there–the best role for men in feminism (as with any SJ ally) is invariably confronting their own group. But then he goes off the rails, hard, when he fails utterly to understand that one of the key effects of patriarchy and privilege is that men have already been explained plenty. There’s some toxic shit out there, obviously, but the women know about that, too, and the detox needs to be done on men, not women.

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

Pratchett’s the bomb, of course. (I may be the last person on the planet to use ‘the bomb’ as unironic praise.)

And thank god for that–do you have any idea how much extra work you’re generating for the NSA?

Oh, and of course, Good Omens. I think those two gents are wise to never do another collaboration, honestly–trying to top that particular work would likely be nigh-impossible.

I loved reading them writing about the process of writing the book, trying to use the internet in its budding power, insisting that some chapters were written by neither of them, they just burst into being fully formed…

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

and explain men to women, especially women who second guess themselves in personal relationships.

That is such shit. “Yes, what young women who are struggling to understand men really need to know is YOU NEED TO LET THEM COME ON YOUR FACE OR YOU’RE EMASCULATING THEM”

Fuck you, Hugo Schwyzer.

Falconer
11 years ago

Hmmm. If I had to give one piece of advice about Grim Fandango, I’d say, ask the clown for a worm. That took me forever, IIRC.

Falconer
11 years ago

No matter how much I want to see the valiant cover artist struggle against the title, I am not ever going to google the phrase “the color of her panties.”

Fortunately I can get there by Wiki’ing You Know Who.

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

@Falconer: When I first saw the title, I wasn’t 100% sure it was Piers Anthony, so I started to type it into google, and then paused, thinking to myself ‘what the hell am I doing.’

But autocomplete was already telling me what I needed to know, which means the NSA already knows.

Of course, they knew when I typed it in over here in the forum, heh heh, so there’s that.

MordsithJ
MordsithJ
11 years ago

I tried to read Sword of Shannara once, couldn’t finish the first chapter. The Tolkien cloning didn’t bother me, I actually thought I’d like it for that reason. But it was boring.

For some weird reason, I liked Magic Kingdom for Sale, but I haven’t read it since it was new, so my opinion would probably be different today.

I like Pratchett, but I’ve never been able to figure out quite what all the hoopla was about. I read the first few Discworld books, and I’m not going to drop any spoilers here so let’s just say after he killed off a character I was really clicking with, I lost interest. THX DEATH! I read a few more, but never warmed up to him again.

Falconer
11 years ago

I would just like to say, thank you, Mr. or Ms. Nice NSA Agent, for keeping us all safe from Google searches.

Falconer
11 years ago

MordsithJ, which book was the THX DEATH! one? No spoilers necessary, my encyclopedic knowledge will suffice.

Hey, everyone’s Gravatars are back!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

I really have to wonder wtf the feminists who’re friends with Hugo were thinking not to pull him up short as soon as he got it into his head that his ideal role was explaining to young women why they should let men come on their faces. What, that didn’t ring any alarm bells, or they were just too invested in maintaining the relationship to say something?

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