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So what sorts of things make some men so furious that they feel the need to send women they’ve never met literal death and rape threats on the internet? It doesn’t take much, apparently. A woman suggesting that it’s not such a good idea to hit on women in elevators at 4 AM. A woman making videos suggesting that there’s sexism in video games. A woman captured on video telling some men to shut the fuck up. A woman complaining about sexist jokes at a tech conference.
Add to this: a woman campaigning successfully to have Jane Austen’s face put on the Bank of England’s ten pound notes.
Over the past week, writer and activist Caroline Criado-Perez, who organized the campaign to get Austen memorialized on the bank note, has been harassed relentlessly on Twitter by assholes and misogynists and trolls for her efforts. Some of this harassment has taken the form of literal rape and death threats. One 21-year-old Manchester man was arrested and questioned in connection with the threats.
Similar threats and harassment were directed at noted British classics professor Mary Beard and female Members of Parliament.
Here’s a sadly typical example of one of the threatening comments sent to Criado-Perez from an account that Twitter temporarily banned — then reinstated.
https://twitter.com/CCriadoPerez/status/362499703285358592
And a more graphic example:
https://twitter.com/ianmcqui/status/361587787511779328
And some even more graphic threats directed at female MPs.
https://twitter.com/JonathanHaynes/status/361967658087890945
https://twitter.com/JonathanHaynes/status/361964227516309504
For many more examples of messages sent to Criado-Perez and others, see Catalina Hernández’ blog I Will Not Put Up With This: here, here, here, here, here, here and here.
And if you had any doubt about how little in the way of repercussion most of these harassers expected to get for their threatening tweets, some tweeted using what are presumably their real names. Here are some comments from one Ivan Garcia of San Diego, as collected by Hernández.
And here is his blog, where this fan of jazz, video games and threatening rape shares his poetry with the world.
The harassment obviously raises a lot of issues,most notably: Why the fuck does this keep happening? And: What’s the best way to deal with this sort of harassment — and these sorts of harassers?
Twitter has promised to add a “report abuse” button; some activists see this as a step in the right direction, while others worry that the “report abuse” button will be itself abused to shut down critics of harassment. Twitter’s record in dealing with harassers has not exactly been a great one; just ask Anita Sarkeesian.
British journalists and assorted bloggers have been trying to sort through some of these issues over the past few days. Here are some links to some of the more interesting pieces, from a variety of perspectives. (Well, I’m not including the pro-rape threat perspective.) Links aren’t necessarily endorsements.
First, for a little more background, see:
Twitter under fire after bank note campaigner is target of rape threats
Caroline Criado-Perez Twitter abuse case leads to arrest
And here are some posts and pieces looking at the issues:
A ‘report abuse’ button on Twitter will create more problems than it solves, by Sharon O’Dea
A button will not, alone, rid Twitter (or the wider world) of mysogyny and abuse. These are complex issues that will take more than a button to resolve. But ‘report abuse’ buttons have been known to be widely abused on other networks. ….
Introduction of a similar mechanism on Twitter ironically creates a whole new means by which trolls can abuse those they disagree with. The report abuse button could be used to silence campaigners, like Criado-Perez, by taking advantage of the automatic blocking and account closure such a feature typically offers. In that way, it could end up putting greater power in the trolls’ hands.
Why does it always come back to rape? by Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett and Holly Baxter of the Vagenda Magazine, in the New Statesman
Rape is the popular choice when women become more visible than they apparently should be, and that’s because it’s easy. …. Whatever their opinion, however they conducted their arguments, however well-researched and nuanced their replies to criticism are, they’re women and male trolls could rape them and that’s what really matters. …
[Academic] Mary Beard got called a “dirty old slut” with a “disgusting vagina” just as [Member of Parliament] Stella Creasy was being tweeted “YOU BETTER WATCH YOUR BACK… I’M GONNA RAPE YOU AT 8PM AND PUT THE VIDEO ALL OVER THE INTERNET”. …
The message is that women’s vaginas are, literally, always up for grabs. If they’re young, the rape threats will come thick and fast; if they’re older, maybe the trolls will settle for insulting their vaginas and telling them that they were “sluts” in the past.
If Every Male Troll Took a Walk in Women’s Shoes, Would He Finally Feel Our Outrage? by Elizabeth Plank
Withstanding rape threats has become a right of passage for female writers or personalities, just as making them as become a right of passage for cowardly and anonymous misogynist trolls. If you’re a woman who happens to possess opinions, and write about feminist issues (god forbid!), chances are you will be violently trolled. … the issue is not that women receive more criticism than men, but rather that it comes in more violent and vitriolic forms. Men will be attacked for their opinion, whereas women will be threatened because they have opinions.
[O]ne study showed that female usernames in chat forums received 25 times more abuse than male ones. In an experiment conducted by the University of Maryland, researchers found that “Female usernames, on average, received 163 malicious private messages a day.” So all else equal, if you’re a woman online, you’re going to be on the receiving end of more hate.
I believe it. I get a lot of shit from misogynists for running this blog — and the occasional threat — but what I get is nothing compared to the harassment similarly controversial feminist bloggers who happen to be women have gotten.
What women-hating trolls really believe, by Emma Barnett
First troll up was Peter from Whitechapel. …
“She was asking for it,” he told me. According to this nitwit, if you campaign about issues such as keeping a woman on English banknotes, you should “expect to receive rape threats”. I delved further.
“If you put your head above the parapet, like she has, then you deserve this type of abuse. It’s what you get when you are a woman shouting about something,” Peter told me, starting to get a little irate. …
Then Gary from Birmingham decided to call in [and] told me in no uncertain terms that “feminists like Caroline were undermining what it is to be a man” and needed “sorting out”.
“Men are predators,” he explained calmly. “And this [rape threats] is what we do.”
And here, after all this awfulness, is a piece that manages to be funny about it all: How to use the internet without being a total loser.
It’s about time I re-read some of my McPhee, maybe (now that I’m in New Jersey), I can get around to reading The Pine Barrens.
Of course I could also re-read some Sharpe, or David Drake too. Hrmn.. haven’t read the Drake since I was deployed… that could be “interesting”.
@SpleenyBaggage: Aaaah Smitten Kitchen recipe! <3 <3 <3 Thanks!
Ahh, the wonderful sound of water and nothing over it. People screaming makes me miss the low buzz of the city, traffic is so much less annoying (and I absolutely cannot sleep in dead silence, I’m weird, I know)
And with that, I bid you adieu.
@AllyS: my lover is part of an anarchist coop housing project. I am not sure how feasible this type of thing is within the United States legal system, but in Quebec cooperative housing is very much supported by law (this is not a squat, squatting is illegal here as well, unlike in some European countries). This makes his rent very very low, as it is only to cover the bare minimum to allow maintenance as there is no profit motive. As well, coop members are expected to participate in maintenance, so it reduces monetary costs (at the expense of time I guess).
The coop participates in dumpster diving runs and are always awash in food (in fact it’s sometimes ridiculous because some of the veggies don’t last long enough as there is too much of them). Large communal meals are prepared and the cost of food is quasi-nil (only things like meat, though most of the coop is vegetarian/vegan, spices, and such).
Internet was patched up by volunteers. Our city also has a “free wifi” project in the downtown area so even if they were to lose that there would still be a way to get Internet cheaply.
My lover’s income is basically almost non-existent but he’s been doing somewhat well, considering. The cons are, of course, communal living, which I know is sort of hard on introverts like myself.
This particular coop happens to mostly be feminists, with a few gays, lesbians and bisexuals, and an explicit policy against abuse based on orientation or gender (or cis/trans status).
I’m not sure how to generalize this sort of project and certainly there might be important concerns needed for youth to address (most of the tenants are early to late 20s). But the point is I think that making an alternative in the here and now is possible, though it will not be a national-sized one yet.
Debt was good, suffers from the problem a lot of such books have, a bit reductionist; but some of the insights (credit long pre-dated money, and the system of social credit is still going strong, e.g. I added a bit of debt to the lunch/dinner I owe a friend for the tickets she fronted to “My Name is Asher Lev”, when she picked up my portion of our shared sushi last night; after we saw Rasputina, and she was amused/glad that I recalled I owed her the money).
No tubing. It’s not fit to purpose (that’s one of those things you can’t afford to fake, hematic sepsis is bad).
Apologies to all if my responses to Quark were overlong, given that Dave said the Quark show (which was good, in a bizzare way, garbagemen in space… oh wait, that one was entertaining) should be cancelled.
gillyrosebee, I’m sorry there wasn’t a relevant way to make my condolence earlier. Such comforts as I can provide, you may take as available. You have but to ask.
K, find another way to pour caffeine into me then? Cuz yeah, 3 hours. Not for lack of trying mind you.
And now some asshat is making bomb threats on Twitter against female journalists.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-23523539
I kiiiinda skipped straight to the end as soon as I saw Margaret Atwood references 😀
Oryx and Crake is AMAZING AMAZING AMAZING. I have yet to get my sweaty little paws on a copy of Year of the Flood, buuut I did just get an Amazon giftcard for my birthday, so that may be in my near future. And for any mythology buffs- The Penelopiad is such a hyperbolically superawesome reimagining of the Odyssey from the perspective of marginalized groups that I JUST CAN’T *flails*
Since when does anyone but a numismatist even care – even NOTICE – whose faces are on money anyway?
@BlackBloc
I really like your ideas of co-ops, even though they’re probably difficult to establish. And it never occurred to me that internet could be set up as well. My current thoughts tend towards perhaps connect the organization I envision to an organization like Food Not Bombs! (although someone has warned me not to be too optimistic about the results of cooperating with mainstream NGOs).
As for those specific concerns for youth that you speak of, I definitely agree that they need to be addressed separately. What I have in mind is specifically making the organization I speak of serving as a kind of collective safety net for teenagers and young adults facing problems like abuse, poverty, discrimination, and so on. I wonder how that could be implemented, though, because it seems very difficult to me.
About twitter not dealing with harassers well: Several years ago I got into it with a man who used his twitter to threaten and extort tons of teenagers using nude images people took of them and gave to him without their consent. I spoke out against him and he proceeded to cyberstalk and harass me. He was also infamous for dropping dox, and he threatened to drop mine. He also gave my phone number out to people to prank me. The final nail in the coffin was that he threatened to sue me for “defamation.” While his lawsuit was baseless, and eventually dropped, he worked the system, using the lawsuit to subpoena my twitter. Twitter just handed all my info right over with no second thought about it. They ignored that I reported his twitter numerous times and that he was retaliating against me.
Yeah, twitter can seriously kiss my ass when it comes to their harassment policy. It’s a joke. I take their claims that they’ll try to make things better about as seriously as I take facebook’s, where they’re still requiring hundreds of complaints and publicity about individual pages in order to remove posts that glorify domestic violence and hurt women.
Oh wow this comments section is 11 pages long and there is my semi-relevant post smack dab in the middle of it.
Ugh the ‘it isn’t real life’ arguments can take a flying fuckng leap. While my experience was nowhere near as bad as gillyrosebee’s, I can tell you that threatened and then stalked by someone from the internet is a fairly serious intrusion into ‘real’ life. So anyone who thinks that it isn’t serious because most of it is just posturing can fuck legos forever.
Books though…I have nearly finished Year of the Flood, and I have Kraken by China Meiville and then Wild Swans to read. Although this thread makes me want to re read Watership Down, or at least watch the film. It reminds me of home, and I’ve been feeling a little homesick lately.
Only on page two but I find it funny that Quark thinks people should shrug off death and rape threats because they probably aren’t real, but can’t even shrug off sarcasm. Why take it so seriously? Nobody is going to kill you over it!
This whole Quark debacle reminds me of a post that Ozy once did on zir blog (which I can’t link to, since it’s taken down) which I think was pretty spot on. Zie wrote that saying that intent doesn’t matter isn’t quite right. Intent does matter. If someone unintentionally says something hurtful, the lack of bad intent does make it less hurtful, once it becomes apparent that the hurt was completely unintentional. It’s just that people who honestly have good intent will step back and make a sincere apology as soon as they realize that they had hurt someone and then not repeat their mistake. People who go on and on about how “it wasn’t my intent to hurt someone so therefore I’m totally in the right to say what I just said” actually show that their intent is pretty fucking disrespectful and not good at all.
Ah, sarcasm. Cue the Piranha Brothers!
Vercotti: … one evening in walks Dinsdale with a couple of big lads, one of whom was carrying a tactical nuclear missile. They said I had bought one of their fruit machines and would I pay for it.
2nd Interviewer: How much did they want?
Vercotti: They wanted three quarters of a million pounds.
2nd Interviewer: Why didn’t you call the police?
Vercotti: Well I had noticed that the lad with the thermonuclear device was the chief constable for the area. So a week later they called again and told me the cheque had bounced and said… I had to see… Doug.
2nd Interviewer: Doug?
Vercotti: Doug (takes a drink) Well, I was terrified. Everyone was terrified of Doug. I’ve seen grown men pull their own heads off rather than see Doug. Even Dinsdale was frightened of Doug.
2nd Interviewer: What did Doug do?
Vercotti: He used… sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes and… satire. He was vicious.
html y u hate me …
Alright, not reading thru 11 pages of comments, but. . . what exactly is so offensive about Jane Austen being on a banknote? She’s a well-known and talented British figure who you think would be largely uncontroversial.
I mean, I wonder what they think of having a suffragette on the Aussie $10 note, a lady communist on the old $5, and a 1st-wave icon on the $50? All we need is a female penguin on a new coin (do you think a $5 could be useful?) and we’re got Really Misandrist Currency.
I mean, we do have that awful Queen lady reminding us of colonial days, and the coins feature wildlife except for one with a generic Aboriginal dude which squicks me out a little, but must admit that Aussies do currency alright.
I don’t thik the misogynists give a damn who is on the currency. What they hate is that there was a successful feminist campaign:
Successful women! Speaking out in public! Being celebrated in the media for their success! It must be stopped!
And, of course, this all comes after the successful #FBRape campaign. Sound the alarms! The feminist zombie apocolypse must be here!
“Ugh the ‘it isn’t real life’ arguments can take a flying fuckng leap.” THANK YOU. This is such bullshit, since people now grow up as much online as they do off.
OH
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Agreed. I don’t see the difference between harassing someone via telephone and harassing them via email or social media. No-one would claim that prank calling someone wasn’t IRL (you could call them from another country! there’s no real threat!), so therefore somehow didn’t count.
Quark, if you come back, PLEASE read David’s comment to you. If you can find it in this monster of a thread, that is (make the effort, it’s worth it).