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So what sorts of things make some men so furious that they feel the need to send women they’ve never met literal death and rape threats on the internet? It doesn’t take much, apparently. A woman suggesting that it’s not such a good idea to hit on women in elevators at 4 AM. A woman making videos suggesting that there’s sexism in video games. A woman captured on video telling some men to shut the fuck up. A woman complaining about sexist jokes at a tech conference.
Add to this: a woman campaigning successfully to have Jane Austen’s face put on the Bank of England’s ten pound notes.
Over the past week, writer and activist Caroline Criado-Perez, who organized the campaign to get Austen memorialized on the bank note, has been harassed relentlessly on Twitter by assholes and misogynists and trolls for her efforts. Some of this harassment has taken the form of literal rape and death threats. One 21-year-old Manchester man was arrested and questioned in connection with the threats.
Similar threats and harassment were directed at noted British classics professor Mary Beard and female Members of Parliament.
Here’s a sadly typical example of one of the threatening comments sent to Criado-Perez from an account that Twitter temporarily banned — then reinstated.
https://twitter.com/CCriadoPerez/status/362499703285358592
And a more graphic example:
https://twitter.com/ianmcqui/status/361587787511779328
And some even more graphic threats directed at female MPs.
https://twitter.com/JonathanHaynes/status/361967658087890945
https://twitter.com/JonathanHaynes/status/361964227516309504
For many more examples of messages sent to Criado-Perez and others, see Catalina Hernández’ blog I Will Not Put Up With This: here, here, here, here, here, here and here.
And if you had any doubt about how little in the way of repercussion most of these harassers expected to get for their threatening tweets, some tweeted using what are presumably their real names. Here are some comments from one Ivan Garcia of San Diego, as collected by Hernández.
And here is his blog, where this fan of jazz, video games and threatening rape shares his poetry with the world.
The harassment obviously raises a lot of issues,most notably: Why the fuck does this keep happening? And: What’s the best way to deal with this sort of harassment — and these sorts of harassers?
Twitter has promised to add a “report abuse” button; some activists see this as a step in the right direction, while others worry that the “report abuse” button will be itself abused to shut down critics of harassment. Twitter’s record in dealing with harassers has not exactly been a great one; just ask Anita Sarkeesian.
British journalists and assorted bloggers have been trying to sort through some of these issues over the past few days. Here are some links to some of the more interesting pieces, from a variety of perspectives. (Well, I’m not including the pro-rape threat perspective.) Links aren’t necessarily endorsements.
First, for a little more background, see:
Twitter under fire after bank note campaigner is target of rape threats
Caroline Criado-Perez Twitter abuse case leads to arrest
And here are some posts and pieces looking at the issues:
A ‘report abuse’ button on Twitter will create more problems than it solves, by Sharon O’Dea
A button will not, alone, rid Twitter (or the wider world) of mysogyny and abuse. These are complex issues that will take more than a button to resolve. But ‘report abuse’ buttons have been known to be widely abused on other networks. ….
Introduction of a similar mechanism on Twitter ironically creates a whole new means by which trolls can abuse those they disagree with. The report abuse button could be used to silence campaigners, like Criado-Perez, by taking advantage of the automatic blocking and account closure such a feature typically offers. In that way, it could end up putting greater power in the trolls’ hands.
Why does it always come back to rape? by Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett and Holly Baxter of the Vagenda Magazine, in the New Statesman
Rape is the popular choice when women become more visible than they apparently should be, and that’s because it’s easy. …. Whatever their opinion, however they conducted their arguments, however well-researched and nuanced their replies to criticism are, they’re women and male trolls could rape them and that’s what really matters. …
[Academic] Mary Beard got called a “dirty old slut” with a “disgusting vagina” just as [Member of Parliament] Stella Creasy was being tweeted “YOU BETTER WATCH YOUR BACK… I’M GONNA RAPE YOU AT 8PM AND PUT THE VIDEO ALL OVER THE INTERNET”. …
The message is that women’s vaginas are, literally, always up for grabs. If they’re young, the rape threats will come thick and fast; if they’re older, maybe the trolls will settle for insulting their vaginas and telling them that they were “sluts” in the past.
If Every Male Troll Took a Walk in Women’s Shoes, Would He Finally Feel Our Outrage? by Elizabeth Plank
Withstanding rape threats has become a right of passage for female writers or personalities, just as making them as become a right of passage for cowardly and anonymous misogynist trolls. If you’re a woman who happens to possess opinions, and write about feminist issues (god forbid!), chances are you will be violently trolled. … the issue is not that women receive more criticism than men, but rather that it comes in more violent and vitriolic forms. Men will be attacked for their opinion, whereas women will be threatened because they have opinions.
[O]ne study showed that female usernames in chat forums received 25 times more abuse than male ones. In an experiment conducted by the University of Maryland, researchers found that “Female usernames, on average, received 163 malicious private messages a day.” So all else equal, if you’re a woman online, you’re going to be on the receiving end of more hate.
I believe it. I get a lot of shit from misogynists for running this blog — and the occasional threat — but what I get is nothing compared to the harassment similarly controversial feminist bloggers who happen to be women have gotten.
What women-hating trolls really believe, by Emma Barnett
First troll up was Peter from Whitechapel. …
“She was asking for it,” he told me. According to this nitwit, if you campaign about issues such as keeping a woman on English banknotes, you should “expect to receive rape threats”. I delved further.
“If you put your head above the parapet, like she has, then you deserve this type of abuse. It’s what you get when you are a woman shouting about something,” Peter told me, starting to get a little irate. …
Then Gary from Birmingham decided to call in [and] told me in no uncertain terms that “feminists like Caroline were undermining what it is to be a man” and needed “sorting out”.
“Men are predators,” he explained calmly. “And this [rape threats] is what we do.”
And here, after all this awfulness, is a piece that manages to be funny about it all: How to use the internet without being a total loser.
Robert: I love Moore. A Dirty Job is one of my favorites and makes me wish I had a zillion dollars to make the movie version so it doesn’t get trampled by someone who doesn’t love it.
The thing is that some people who make threats are dangerous and do act on them. It doesn’t matter that the majority of people making the threats may not do anything, because it only takes one person to do something horrible. And as Gillyrosebee pointed out, these often aren’t just people making threats, but sharing people’s personal information, home addresses, info on their family members, routes to and from school or work. It’s naive to think that shit like that doesn’t create a potentially dangerous situation.
That doesn’t mean that women receiving rape and death threats should just curl up into a ball and give up (nor is it their fault if the emotional distress of receiving said threats is too overwhelming – people deal with emotional distress in different ways). It does mean that there is a real potential threat (both to individual women and to women in general) from comments and a culture endorsing and condoning violence against women, and those types of comments should be treated seriously.
Of course according to GNL, if women don’t want to get rape and death threats, they should just stay off Twitter/the internet altogether.
Yay, Moore! My favorites by him are The Lust Lizard of Melancholy Cove and Fool.
Reading at the moment: snippets of The Long Farewell by Don Charlwood, about emigration to Australia by sail. I’m doing more knitting than reading at present.
I love P&P, though *the* series more than the book, but haven’t read any other Austen. Also very fond of Emma Thompson’s film of S&S.
Worst case I had of that was with Dogma. I’d wanted to see it because Alan Rickman. But I seriously could not tell the younger actors apart. That, and the characters seemed uniformly repellent.
I’m not caught up, and won’t be any time soon, because I have fish shit to siphon and that is honestly a more appealing concept than this thread.
Also, I propose we move the slumber party to tomorrow as pecunium and I are having a museum day and then I’m crashing at his place. Manboobz slumber party would just be so very fitting!
And now I seriously am going to go siphon fish shit, in the literal sense of the word shit, because that sounds more interesting than this thread.
Yeah I could have done without the privileged white chick focus character, but I definitely heartily recommend Orange is the New Black. Just try to make it past the first episode, which is kind of tedious :-/
I stopped being amused by the troll after about half way through the thread and just skimmed looking for non-troll-related posts after a while, tbh.
I saw that this post had over five hundred comments and got excited because I thought that everyone was going to be discussing all the great articles David linked in his post, but then I saw that the comments had just been hijacked by a self-centered troll and now I’m sad. 🙁
Eboo Patel! If you like Acts of Faith, I’d recommend looking up some youtube videos of him because he’s also a very talented speaker. He came to visit my college and gave one of the best speeches I’ve ever heard (and I used to speak competitively, for what it’s worth).
Quark reminds me of my ex somewhat. There is something terrifying about someone saying they won’t leave you alone in order to show you that you can’t ask someone to go away and be rid of them.
@Pear_tree
greed, there’s something really scary about someone who just doesn’t give a shit about the fact that you don’t want them around.
Also, you guys have much better taste in the books than me=p (I’ll pretty much read anything)
I bet your taste in music is better, too!
Agreed, not greed. Sheesh.
LOVE Moore!! I love Dirty Job and Lust Lizard, but nothing has topped Fluke for me. For some reason I couldn’t finish Lamb, even though I rather enjoyed what I was reading. Practical Demonkeeping is also an interesting look into an unpolished Moore.
I’ve only read Wuthering Heights and some of Jane Eyre. While I can appreciate the skill and talent of the Bronte sisters, they’re a little too dark and depressing for me. Ditto Margaret Atwood (although I think that’s also affected by the fact that Atwood was foisted on me in high school because I was new to the country, and my teacher wanted me to experience Canadian literature, while everyone else got to choose their books).
Your wish is my command, dear Cloudiah!
Still in their hospital swaddling.
Adrian, power-napping.
This was in the middle of February, mind.
Oh, the babies are so precious!
Anybody else get a whiff of that weirdly awesome baby-head smell when you look at baby pics?
Trolly McTrollerson suddenly reminds me a little of Ruby, and of Sunshine Mary. Not that the “oh you are so RUDE swearing is teh evil!” is all that unusual in our boring troll brigade. I”m not even sure those two indulged in it, but the vibe just reminds me of them.
@tooimpureangel
Pfft. You can come to my corner of manboobz then. One of my favorite authors is David Eddings, high reading he’s not 😛
@Falconer
I can’t get enough of our miniboobzers
Ruby was the one who thought people getting raped in prison was HEE-larious, right?
Sunshine Mary doesn’t ring a bell.
This is my life. Four little eyes, constantly watching.
I name her Toe-Master, Corn-Hammer, Foot-Friend.
I think the only thing I’ve read by Christopher Moore is The Stupidest Angel, which was pretty amusing, but now I’m going to have to check out some more of his stuff. After I finish squeeing at Falconer’s babies, of course 😀
@Shadow
The Redemption of Althalus is one of my favorite books! I haven’t delved into him much, though.
@tooimpurenangel
The thing with Eddings is that, when you read his series, you notice a lot of similarities in his characters, and even in the events. Some of it seems purposeful, but I think some of it is also due to his own limitations, as well as his love for those archetypes. It’s very similar to P.G. Wodehouse’s works in that regard (another of my favorites). When I read their books, it’s a very welcoming feeling because I’ve fallen in love with their archetypes, but I can’t argue with anyone who feels like they’re very limited as authors. Eddings also tends to have pretty black and white stories when it comes to good and evil.
Since it’s multiple choice, I choose multiples. 1, 2, and 3. And also 4.
Quark, the new topic train left without you a while back. If you’d like join tell us what you’re reading or comment on what others are reading.
Me? I’ve just reread “One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich”, wonderfully dark and it always seems to have at least twice as much content as it should have given its length.
For some reason I just have an instinctive bad reaction to Redwall. I’m still trying to unpack why that is.