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Jane Austen and the Rape-Threatening Men

The face that launched a thousand threatening tweets.
The face that launched a thousand threatening tweets.

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So what sorts of things make some men so furious that they feel the need to send women they’ve never met literal death and rape threats on the internet? It doesn’t take much, apparently. A woman suggesting that it’s not such a good idea to hit on women in elevators at 4 AM. A woman making  videos suggesting that there’s sexism in video games. A woman captured on video telling some men to shut the fuck up. A woman complaining about sexist jokes at a tech conference.

Add to this: a woman campaigning successfully to have Jane Austen’s face put on the Bank of England’s ten pound notes.

Over the past week, writer and activist Caroline Criado-Perez, who organized the campaign to get Austen memorialized on the bank note, has been harassed relentlessly on Twitter by assholes and misogynists and trolls for her efforts. Some of this harassment has taken the form of literal rape and death threats. One 21-year-old Manchester man was arrested and questioned in connection with the threats.

Similar threats and harassment were directed at noted British classics professor Mary Beard and female Members of Parliament.

Here’s a sadly typical example of one of the threatening comments sent to Criado-Perez from an account that Twitter temporarily banned — then reinstated.

https://twitter.com/CCriadoPerez/status/362499703285358592

And a more graphic example:

https://twitter.com/ianmcqui/status/361587787511779328

And some even more graphic threats directed at female MPs.

https://twitter.com/JonathanHaynes/status/361967658087890945

https://twitter.com/JonathanHaynes/status/361964227516309504

For many more examples of messages sent to Criado-Perez and others, see  Catalina Hernández’ blog I Will Not Put Up With This: here, here, here, here, here, here and here.

And if you had any doubt about how little in the way of repercussion most of these harassers expected to get for their threatening tweets, some tweeted using what are presumably their real names. Here are some comments from one Ivan Garcia of San Diego, as collected by Hernández.

jazzmanivan

And here is his blog, where this fan of jazz, video games and threatening rape shares his poetry with the world.

The harassment obviously raises a lot of issues,most notably: Why the fuck does this keep happening? And: What’s the best way to deal with this sort of harassment — and these sorts of harassers?

Twitter has promised to add a “report abuse” button; some activists see this as a step in the right direction, while others worry that the “report abuse” button will be itself abused to shut down critics of harassment. Twitter’s record in dealing with harassers has not exactly been a great one; just ask Anita Sarkeesian.

British journalists and assorted bloggers have been trying to sort through some of these issues over the past few days. Here are some links to some of the more interesting pieces, from a variety of perspectives. (Well, I’m not including the pro-rape threat perspective.) Links aren’t necessarily endorsements.

First, for a little more background, see:

Twitter under fire after bank note campaigner is target of rape threats

Twitter faces boycott after ‘inaction’ over rape threats against feminist bank notes campaigner Caroline Criado-Perez

Caroline Criado-Perez Twitter abuse case leads to arrest

And here are some posts and pieces looking at the issues:

A ‘report abuse’ button on Twitter will create more problems than it solves, by Sharon O’Dea

A button will not, alone, rid Twitter (or the wider world) of mysogyny and abuse. These are complex issues that will take more than a button to resolve. But ‘report abuse’ buttons have been known to be widely abused on other networks. ….

Introduction of a similar mechanism on Twitter ironically creates a whole new means by which trolls can abuse those they disagree with. The report abuse button could be used to silence campaigners, like Criado-Perez, by taking advantage of the automatic blocking and account closure such a feature typically offers. In that way, it could end up putting greater power in the trolls’ hands.

Why does it always come back to rape?  by Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett and Holly Baxter of the Vagenda Magazine, in the New Statesman

Rape is the popular choice when women become more visible than they apparently should be, and that’s because it’s easy. …. Whatever their opinion, however they conducted their arguments, however well-researched and nuanced their replies to criticism are, they’re women and male trolls could rape them and that’s what really matters. …

[Academic] Mary Beard got called a “dirty old slut” with a “disgusting vagina” just as [Member of Parliament] Stella Creasy was being tweeted “YOU BETTER WATCH YOUR BACK… I’M GONNA RAPE YOU AT 8PM AND PUT THE VIDEO ALL OVER THE INTERNET”. …

The message is that women’s vaginas are, literally, always up for grabs. If they’re young, the rape threats will come thick and fast; if they’re older, maybe the trolls will settle for insulting their vaginas and telling them that they were “sluts” in the past.

If Every Male Troll Took a Walk in Women’s Shoes, Would He Finally Feel Our Outrage?  by Elizabeth Plank

Withstanding rape threats has become a right of passage for female writers or personalities, just as making them as become a right of passage for cowardly and anonymous misogynist trolls. If you’re a woman who happens to possess opinions, and write about feminist issues (god forbid!), chances are you will be violently trolled. … the issue is not that women receive more criticism than men, but rather that it comes in more violent and vitriolic forms. Men will be attacked for their opinion, whereas women will be threatened because they have opinions.

[O]ne study showed that female usernames in chat forums received 25 times more abuse than male ones. In an experiment conducted by the University of Maryland, researchers found that “Female usernames, on average, received 163 malicious private messages a day.” So all else equal, if you’re a woman online, you’re going to be on the receiving end of more hate.

I believe it. I get a lot of shit from misogynists for running this blog — and the occasional threat — but what I get is nothing compared to the harassment similarly controversial feminist bloggers who happen to be women have gotten.

What women-hating trolls really believe, by Emma Barnett

First troll up was Peter from Whitechapel. …

“She was asking for it,” he told me. According to this nitwit, if you campaign about issues such as keeping a woman on English banknotes, you should “expect to receive rape threats”. I delved further.

“If you put your head above the parapet, like she has, then you deserve this type of abuse. It’s what you get when you are a woman shouting about something,” Peter told me, starting to get a little irate. …

Then Gary from Birmingham decided to call in [and] told me in no uncertain terms that “feminists like Caroline were undermining what it is to be a man” and needed “sorting out”.

“Men are predators,” he explained calmly. “And this [rape threats] is what we do.”

And here, after all this awfulness, is a piece that manages to be funny about it all: How to use the internet without being a total loser.

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Shadow
Shadow
11 years ago

I’m reading Small Gods right now (It’s not a manboobz literature discussion if Pratchett isn’t represented :P)

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

deste: “Husbutt???” That’s disrespectful and bad, or something.

I’m kidding, I’m totally stealing it.

Hyena Girl
Hyena Girl
11 years ago

@hellkell:
I’d really recommend Supernatural Horror in Literature as a followup to Dance Macabre. Lovecraft’s problematic for all kinds of reasons but his take on horror really was spot on.

freemage
11 years ago

Quark | July 31, 2013 at 2:57 pm

@ hellkell – why do you feel it necessary to swear so much and be so aggressive? It is really unpleasant and unnecessary,

Dear Fecal Mark Left Upon Cloth Undergarments:

I would like to express my sincere, and profound desire that you rapidly fornicate whilst on your way unto another locale.

Barring that, I devoutly hope that one day you will come to understand what a slime-covered piece of excrement you are at this time. Also, please understand that simultaneously claiming to have read 50+ threads on this site, AND to have no idea what the term “tone-troll” means, suggests that you are either a fornicating dissembler, an illiterate bag from a feminine hygiene product, or, in all probability, both.

Thank you for your time, and feel free to tread upon the Legos on your way out.

Sincerely,
Freemage

****

That non-swearing enough for you?

titianblue
titianblue
11 years ago

I’d recommend P&P to anyone new to Austen – much the most approachable of her books. My personal favourite is Persuasion – I love the subtle humour and Anne is such a lovely character, quiet and gentle but with none of the irritating whimpishness of Fanny Price.

Ironically, I’m just trying to finish off Pride & Prejudice & Zombies. Sadly can’t recommend it as the co-author has massacred the characters of Lizzie & Darcy, as well as most of the inhabitants of Meryton. Next on my list is Blue Lightening by Ann Cleeves – hopefully another excellent Shetlands murder mystery.

Hyena Girl
Hyena Girl
11 years ago

@Freemage,
Yes, but what are you reading now? It’s a far more useful and interesting topic.

dustydeste
dustydeste
11 years ago

I haven’t found that Redwall aged terribly well, but I’m pretty critical when it comes to rereading things I loved as a kid. It’s certainly better than some other stuff I adored, so there’s that.

katz
11 years ago

I, for one, totally dug Northanger Abbey. Very different from her other stuff.

seraph4377
11 years ago

Lovecraft’s problematic for all kinds of reasons but his take on horror really was spot on.

Oh, Lord, He and Medusa’s Coil

Hyena Girl
Hyena Girl
11 years ago

@titianblue
P&P&Z is more or less just a gimmick book, sad because it could have worked.

Quark
Quark
11 years ago

@ fremage – haha! Not a linguist, are you?

To fornicate – to have sexual intercourse with someone to whom one is not married.

Thanks, but I don’t think I need your help in that area!

seraph4377
11 years ago

Why you go invisible, blockquote monster?

freemage
11 years ago

Hyena Girl: Sorry, the lit discussion started after I started typing that–this thread really is moving along. My tome du jour is The Zap Gun, by Phillip K. Dick. Intriguing premise.

Hyena Girl
Hyena Girl
11 years ago

And the Horror of Red Hook seraph4377, don’t forget that one. On the other tentacle, At the Mountains of Madness.

Hyena Girl
Hyena Girl
11 years ago

@Freemage:
Just teasing. And as for your tome du jour, Dick really is fantastic (enjoy the straight line).

Michael Søndberg Olsen

“Foucaults pendul” is pretty good.

titianblue
titianblue
11 years ago

@Hyena Girl, yes, definitely sad that P&P&Z was the dream mash-up of two of my favourite genres 🙁

I love Northangar Abbey too but only once I’d read The Monk and the Mysteries of Udolpho and so finally got that it was a parody.

katz
11 years ago

Yeah, the Redwall series is one of a vanishingly small number of books I’d heartily recommend to children but which don’t hold up very well for adults. I think Redwall itself is good, Mossflower has strong parts, and then the quality drops off quickly.

Very very sentimental for me though.

Kristineedscats
11 years ago

I’ve been meaning to read P & P again, and then read PD James ‘Death Comes to Pemberley’. English murder mysteries are my favorite.

neuroticbeagle
11 years ago

Some one earlier had wanted pictures of Falconers babies, but i’m not falconer so I don’t have any- but this picture is funny:
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/d7/af/dc/d7afdc188bc095c222ce2e5c564ad2fa.jpg

Shadow
Shadow
11 years ago

@dustydeste

Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised. OTOH, I do tend to have an affinity for childish things, and I’m very susceptible to nostalgia, so who knows 😛 I happened across the cartoons a couple of years ago and found them somewhat entertaining.

And speaking of adaptations, I know people have some mixed views about it, but I also loved the Watership Down movie.

katz
11 years ago

I am currently reading Dostoevsky. The Russian novelists are a major gap in my literary education and I’m fixing that.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
11 years ago

I have said countless times internet threats are very bad, and those who make them should be exposed and punished.

But you also said that women shouldn’t take the threats too seriously, because almost nothing ever comes of it and you had never heard of someone being attacked by one of the people who threatened them online.

Have you any second thoughts about those assertions?

Helping people to feel safe is NOT the same as telling them to grow a thicker skin. I have never, ever said or insinuated people shouldn’t be upset by internet abuse.

You said this

But just to reassure women who doubtless feel threatened by this – there is almost certainly no real-life threat.

and this

I think it is important to realise these threats are not “real”

and this

It’s all designed to frighten and intimidate, but it is important for your own peace of mind to realise the huge, huge gap between someone typing a violent threat on a keyboard, and actually doing anything violent in real life.

The gap is not all that huge when viewed from the other side. It is more realistic to take these threats seriously and part of doing so is to distinguish actual attacks from simple rudeness, because no one has any duty to be cordial to you, especially when you are wrong and it is pointed out to you that your wrongness is hurting others.

When you were corrected, that the danger is real and actual and expressed at many levels, and that your comments were both hurtful and potentially harmful, you doubled down and started complaining about how mean we all were.

Of course, you also said this

to call someone else out on their behaviour is not “trolling”

and then accused people who called you out for trolling, instead of taking a good hard look at that behavior.

freemage
11 years ago

Hyena Girl: A year or two ago, now, I got to see a play loosely based on At the Mountains of Madness. It was a little independent production, but it was really brilliant. The ‘stage’ was simply the loft the play was performed in; they had set-pieces all around the room (a church, a hospital bed, a reading chair/lamp, a desk with a classic ‘heavily notated map/bulletin board’ behind it, a storage room and a lecture hall), and the action would move from one point to another as the script dictated. The audience just wandered around during the play, so your ‘seat’ was essentially based on how well you judged where the action was going to be.

Obviously, the set-up was the exact opposite of disability-friendly, but it was VERY powerful–especially when, during the climactic fight between two of the characters, they tumbled towards a spot on the wall, which just happened to be where I was standing! I literally had to jump out of the way to avoid getting rammed.

Michael Søndberg Olsen

@ fremage – haha! Not a linguist, are you?

To fornicate – to have sexual intercourse with someone to whom one is not married.

Thanks, but I don’t think I need your help in that area!

And you don’t seem to realize you’ve given away your pointless little game.

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