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Jane Austen and the Rape-Threatening Men

The face that launched a thousand threatening tweets.
The face that launched a thousand threatening tweets.

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So what sorts of things make some men so furious that they feel the need to send women they’ve never met literal death and rape threats on the internet? It doesn’t take much, apparently. A woman suggesting that it’s not such a good idea to hit on women in elevators at 4 AM. A woman making  videos suggesting that there’s sexism in video games. A woman captured on video telling some men to shut the fuck up. A woman complaining about sexist jokes at a tech conference.

Add to this: a woman campaigning successfully to have Jane Austen’s face put on the Bank of England’s ten pound notes.

Over the past week, writer and activist Caroline Criado-Perez, who organized the campaign to get Austen memorialized on the bank note, has been harassed relentlessly on Twitter by assholes and misogynists and trolls for her efforts. Some of this harassment has taken the form of literal rape and death threats. One 21-year-old Manchester man was arrested and questioned in connection with the threats.

Similar threats and harassment were directed at noted British classics professor Mary Beard and female Members of Parliament.

Here’s a sadly typical example of one of the threatening comments sent to Criado-Perez from an account that Twitter temporarily banned — then reinstated.

https://twitter.com/CCriadoPerez/status/362499703285358592

And a more graphic example:

https://twitter.com/ianmcqui/status/361587787511779328

And some even more graphic threats directed at female MPs.

https://twitter.com/JonathanHaynes/status/361967658087890945

https://twitter.com/JonathanHaynes/status/361964227516309504

For many more examples of messages sent to Criado-Perez and others, see  Catalina Hernández’ blog I Will Not Put Up With This: here, here, here, here, here, here and here.

And if you had any doubt about how little in the way of repercussion most of these harassers expected to get for their threatening tweets, some tweeted using what are presumably their real names. Here are some comments from one Ivan Garcia of San Diego, as collected by Hernández.

jazzmanivan

And here is his blog, where this fan of jazz, video games and threatening rape shares his poetry with the world.

The harassment obviously raises a lot of issues,most notably: Why the fuck does this keep happening? And: What’s the best way to deal with this sort of harassment — and these sorts of harassers?

Twitter has promised to add a “report abuse” button; some activists see this as a step in the right direction, while others worry that the “report abuse” button will be itself abused to shut down critics of harassment. Twitter’s record in dealing with harassers has not exactly been a great one; just ask Anita Sarkeesian.

British journalists and assorted bloggers have been trying to sort through some of these issues over the past few days. Here are some links to some of the more interesting pieces, from a variety of perspectives. (Well, I’m not including the pro-rape threat perspective.) Links aren’t necessarily endorsements.

First, for a little more background, see:

Twitter under fire after bank note campaigner is target of rape threats

Twitter faces boycott after ‘inaction’ over rape threats against feminist bank notes campaigner Caroline Criado-Perez

Caroline Criado-Perez Twitter abuse case leads to arrest

And here are some posts and pieces looking at the issues:

A ‘report abuse’ button on Twitter will create more problems than it solves, by Sharon O’Dea

A button will not, alone, rid Twitter (or the wider world) of mysogyny and abuse. These are complex issues that will take more than a button to resolve. But ‘report abuse’ buttons have been known to be widely abused on other networks. ….

Introduction of a similar mechanism on Twitter ironically creates a whole new means by which trolls can abuse those they disagree with. The report abuse button could be used to silence campaigners, like Criado-Perez, by taking advantage of the automatic blocking and account closure such a feature typically offers. In that way, it could end up putting greater power in the trolls’ hands.

Why does it always come back to rape?  by Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett and Holly Baxter of the Vagenda Magazine, in the New Statesman

Rape is the popular choice when women become more visible than they apparently should be, and that’s because it’s easy. …. Whatever their opinion, however they conducted their arguments, however well-researched and nuanced their replies to criticism are, they’re women and male trolls could rape them and that’s what really matters. …

[Academic] Mary Beard got called a “dirty old slut” with a “disgusting vagina” just as [Member of Parliament] Stella Creasy was being tweeted “YOU BETTER WATCH YOUR BACK… I’M GONNA RAPE YOU AT 8PM AND PUT THE VIDEO ALL OVER THE INTERNET”. …

The message is that women’s vaginas are, literally, always up for grabs. If they’re young, the rape threats will come thick and fast; if they’re older, maybe the trolls will settle for insulting their vaginas and telling them that they were “sluts” in the past.

If Every Male Troll Took a Walk in Women’s Shoes, Would He Finally Feel Our Outrage?  by Elizabeth Plank

Withstanding rape threats has become a right of passage for female writers or personalities, just as making them as become a right of passage for cowardly and anonymous misogynist trolls. If you’re a woman who happens to possess opinions, and write about feminist issues (god forbid!), chances are you will be violently trolled. … the issue is not that women receive more criticism than men, but rather that it comes in more violent and vitriolic forms. Men will be attacked for their opinion, whereas women will be threatened because they have opinions.

[O]ne study showed that female usernames in chat forums received 25 times more abuse than male ones. In an experiment conducted by the University of Maryland, researchers found that “Female usernames, on average, received 163 malicious private messages a day.” So all else equal, if you’re a woman online, you’re going to be on the receiving end of more hate.

I believe it. I get a lot of shit from misogynists for running this blog — and the occasional threat — but what I get is nothing compared to the harassment similarly controversial feminist bloggers who happen to be women have gotten.

What women-hating trolls really believe, by Emma Barnett

First troll up was Peter from Whitechapel. …

“She was asking for it,” he told me. According to this nitwit, if you campaign about issues such as keeping a woman on English banknotes, you should “expect to receive rape threats”. I delved further.

“If you put your head above the parapet, like she has, then you deserve this type of abuse. It’s what you get when you are a woman shouting about something,” Peter told me, starting to get a little irate. …

Then Gary from Birmingham decided to call in [and] told me in no uncertain terms that “feminists like Caroline were undermining what it is to be a man” and needed “sorting out”.

“Men are predators,” he explained calmly. “And this [rape threats] is what we do.”

And here, after all this awfulness, is a piece that manages to be funny about it all: How to use the internet without being a total loser.

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Quark
Quark
11 years ago

Thinking someone is wrong about something is not justification for how you have treated me here today. It is just that “logic” which justifies the abuse you all claim to despise.

Seems no-one can see that, but it is nevertheless true.

sarahlizhousespouse
11 years ago

@Falconer

Sounds like Petey.

katz
11 years ago

I assume that Quark also barges in and sits down at an occupied table at a restaurant and then insists that only the restaurant owner can tell her to leave because she has as much right to be there as the other people who know each other and were there before.

chibigodzilla
11 years ago

@Quark: And here’s where it was clearly illustrated why your point doesn’t hold. Go on, read it. I’ll wait.
http://manboobz.com/2013/07/31/jane-austen-and-the-rape-threatening-men/comment-page-3/#comment-335372

You’re back? Ok do you see how you’re making the exact same argument as a person endorsing the threats? Do you see how that would be an apologia?

No? Then kindly decamp from the vicinty(this thread) forthwith. Mind that the door not strike your posterior as you egress.

dustydeste
dustydeste
11 years ago

In Quarkland, a person’s ideas are equivalent to zir self. There is no difference between an attack on the ideas and an attack on the self. Also no one has any rights to say whatever they damn well please, unless they’re Quark, because Quark’s FREEZEPEACHES are sacrosanct, and anyone saying that Quark should GO FUCK OFF is trampling on Quark’s rights!

Am I getting this right? I’m pretty sure I’m getting this right.

Ally S
11 years ago

Thinking someone is wrong about something is not justification for how you have treated me here today. It is just that “logic” which justifies the abuse you all claim to despise.

The swearing in this thread: expression of being annoyed at the way you are behaving towards others.

Rape threats and similar forms of harassment: explicit wish of harm on another person for the sake of terrorizing that person.

They aren’t comparable, sorry.

katz
11 years ago

I’ll bring kittens to the slumber party.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
11 years ago

@ hellkell – why do you feel it necessary to swear so much and be so aggressive? It is really unpleasant and unnecessary,

You do not get to police the speech of the regulars here, who know the community conventions better than you do. Fuck off to your own little pearl clutching corner of the internet if you don’t like it.

(I fucking appreciate every fucking word of every fucking post that hellkell has made, but then again, I don’t get to police the speech of regulars here either. The site owner does, though since we are all the same person who is actually just a bunch of cats in a David suit, so maybe I do?).

PS – my favorite banana bread recipe comes from the big gingham cookbook (http://www.bhg.com/recipe/quickbreads/banana-bread/) though this one (http://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/banana_bread/) sounds good too!

Hyena Girl
Hyena Girl
11 years ago

To derail the derail (is that a rerail?):
Let’s talk about Jane Austen. The librarian in my is interested to know favorites in her work. For me it’s always going to be Pride & Prejudice (just so well written) and Persuasion (being her last work and feeling it has the most of the author in it).

Quark
Quark
11 years ago

@ hometeampaper – people aren’t “swearing at my posts”. They’re swearing at me, directly, and openly trying to bully, attack and offend me so much I will “fuck off”.

It is totally inappropriate, and although many people are being (intentionally?) obtuse about seeing it, it is harassment. It is abuse. It is the very thing you all claim to be against.

Kristineedscats
11 years ago

“Seems no-one can see that, but it is nevertheless true.”

I fucking hate pretentious trolls! Also how tedious, tedious, tedious this threadjacker is. TEDIOUS.

seraph4377
11 years ago

hometeampaper – the only thing you’re doing wrong is giving Quark too much credit.

hometeampaper
hometeampaper
11 years ago

@ Quark

Okay, fuck off then.

CL
CL
11 years ago

Quark, you can be wrong all you want and I don’t give a flying fuck. What happened was you came in here and hurt people, were told you were hurting people and were asked to stop, and you refused to stop. THAT is the abusive behavior that is the issue. And people have every right to defend themselves against it.

Quark
Quark
11 years ago

@gillyosebee – heh, so I apologise and you ignore it, whereas when someone apologised to me, I graciously accepted.

You instead respond by attacking me more.

How wearily predictable.

AK
AK
11 years ago

Ak – you are not being “used”, you were being “thanked”. There is quite a difference. I genuinely did appreciate your politeness.

I did appreciate your thanks, Quark.

The reason I responded the way I did was that you didn’t engage with a single thing I said. You were posting many defensive comments about how other posters were attacking you, and so I tried to engage with you in good faith. Rather than actually address anything I said, you specifically thanked me for my tone and balance, without actually discussing anything I said. In context, it’s hard to see that as anything but using my post to make a point.

That is dismissive, and it angered me. For some reason, I’m still here, trying to engage with you in good faith, even though I expect to be dismissed again. I just hope to make you see that the fact that you’re doubling down and attacking other posters for their tone (which is such a common derailing technique that I don’t even know where to start) rather than the substance of their complaints.

@gillyrosebee, I just wanted to thank you for sharing your story. Regardless of the overall conversation, it has definitely made me rethink my assessment of online threats.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Hyena Girl: I might get a librarian spanking for this, but I tried to read Emma, and just could not get into it. It kind of put me off Austen. I do love the movie adaptations of her stuff, should I give it another shot and if so, what book?

Kristineedscats
11 years ago

@Hyena Girl

P & P is still my favorite, although I really like S & S as well.

chibigodzilla
11 years ago

It is totally inappropriate, and although many people are being (intentionally?) obtuse about seeing it, it is harassment. It is abuse. It is the very thing you all claim to be against.

Yeah, you also said sarcasm was abuse, so you don’t have much credibility stored up there.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Falconer, could we get some baby pictures up here in this thread?

Quark
Quark
11 years ago

So I “hurt people”, unintentionally – and apologised – therefore it’s fine for people to attack me intentionally and endlessly and not apologise.

Right. Got it.

misery
misery
11 years ago

I just want to say that this creepy Ivan Garcia person doesn’t speak for the starcraft community, which is mostly wonderful. Go to any community event and everyone will be friendly and wonderful and awful behavior will be non-existent. (or so I’ve heard, I’ve never been to one) It’s just that there is some overlap between the starcraft community and reddit, so if you look at reddit or twitch.tv chat you can find many evil comments, but none of this is condoned by community role models and reddit does not have a monopoly on the starcraft community anyway.

AK
AK
11 years ago

Er, sorry, my editing failed there. I meant to say “I just hope to make you see that the fact that you’re doubling down and attacking other posters for their tone (which is such a common derailing technique that I don’t even know where to start) rather than the substance of their complaints.” should have actually ended with, “…is a big part of the problem here.”

dustydeste
dustydeste
11 years ago

Quark, you have no fucking clue what harassment even fucking is. Go the fuck away please.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
11 years ago

Swearing is bad. It is aggressive, hostile, and unnecessary.

Okay, now it’s starting to smell familiar. Who was it who was lecturing us all about how he had worked in a shelter and had to sit by and watch the crazy, ebil wimmenz yelling at the poor menz who they had roped into giving them money and how he was forced to break up fights only to see the men go back to them and how unfair it was and how you should never lend money because OMG it’s like totally theft! He used the same british spellings and got his panties in a bunch because I had such a foul mouth, didn’t he?

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