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Jane Austen and the Rape-Threatening Men

The face that launched a thousand threatening tweets.
The face that launched a thousand threatening tweets.

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So what sorts of things make some men so furious that they feel the need to send women they’ve never met literal death and rape threats on the internet? It doesn’t take much, apparently. A woman suggesting that it’s not such a good idea to hit on women in elevators at 4 AM. A woman making  videos suggesting that there’s sexism in video games. A woman captured on video telling some men to shut the fuck up. A woman complaining about sexist jokes at a tech conference.

Add to this: a woman campaigning successfully to have Jane Austen’s face put on the Bank of England’s ten pound notes.

Over the past week, writer and activist Caroline Criado-Perez, who organized the campaign to get Austen memorialized on the bank note, has been harassed relentlessly on Twitter by assholes and misogynists and trolls for her efforts. Some of this harassment has taken the form of literal rape and death threats. One 21-year-old Manchester man was arrested and questioned in connection with the threats.

Similar threats and harassment were directed at noted British classics professor Mary Beard and female Members of Parliament.

Here’s a sadly typical example of one of the threatening comments sent to Criado-Perez from an account that Twitter temporarily banned — then reinstated.

https://twitter.com/CCriadoPerez/status/362499703285358592

And a more graphic example:

https://twitter.com/ianmcqui/status/361587787511779328

And some even more graphic threats directed at female MPs.

https://twitter.com/JonathanHaynes/status/361967658087890945

https://twitter.com/JonathanHaynes/status/361964227516309504

For many more examples of messages sent to Criado-Perez and others, see  Catalina Hernández’ blog I Will Not Put Up With This: here, here, here, here, here, here and here.

And if you had any doubt about how little in the way of repercussion most of these harassers expected to get for their threatening tweets, some tweeted using what are presumably their real names. Here are some comments from one Ivan Garcia of San Diego, as collected by Hernández.

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And here is his blog, where this fan of jazz, video games and threatening rape shares his poetry with the world.

The harassment obviously raises a lot of issues,most notably: Why the fuck does this keep happening? And: What’s the best way to deal with this sort of harassment — and these sorts of harassers?

Twitter has promised to add a “report abuse” button; some activists see this as a step in the right direction, while others worry that the “report abuse” button will be itself abused to shut down critics of harassment. Twitter’s record in dealing with harassers has not exactly been a great one; just ask Anita Sarkeesian.

British journalists and assorted bloggers have been trying to sort through some of these issues over the past few days. Here are some links to some of the more interesting pieces, from a variety of perspectives. (Well, I’m not including the pro-rape threat perspective.) Links aren’t necessarily endorsements.

First, for a little more background, see:

Twitter under fire after bank note campaigner is target of rape threats

Twitter faces boycott after ‘inaction’ over rape threats against feminist bank notes campaigner Caroline Criado-Perez

Caroline Criado-Perez Twitter abuse case leads to arrest

And here are some posts and pieces looking at the issues:

A ‘report abuse’ button on Twitter will create more problems than it solves, by Sharon O’Dea

A button will not, alone, rid Twitter (or the wider world) of mysogyny and abuse. These are complex issues that will take more than a button to resolve. But ‘report abuse’ buttons have been known to be widely abused on other networks. ….

Introduction of a similar mechanism on Twitter ironically creates a whole new means by which trolls can abuse those they disagree with. The report abuse button could be used to silence campaigners, like Criado-Perez, by taking advantage of the automatic blocking and account closure such a feature typically offers. In that way, it could end up putting greater power in the trolls’ hands.

Why does it always come back to rape?  by Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett and Holly Baxter of the Vagenda Magazine, in the New Statesman

Rape is the popular choice when women become more visible than they apparently should be, and that’s because it’s easy. …. Whatever their opinion, however they conducted their arguments, however well-researched and nuanced their replies to criticism are, they’re women and male trolls could rape them and that’s what really matters. …

[Academic] Mary Beard got called a “dirty old slut” with a “disgusting vagina” just as [Member of Parliament] Stella Creasy was being tweeted “YOU BETTER WATCH YOUR BACK… I’M GONNA RAPE YOU AT 8PM AND PUT THE VIDEO ALL OVER THE INTERNET”. …

The message is that women’s vaginas are, literally, always up for grabs. If they’re young, the rape threats will come thick and fast; if they’re older, maybe the trolls will settle for insulting their vaginas and telling them that they were “sluts” in the past.

If Every Male Troll Took a Walk in Women’s Shoes, Would He Finally Feel Our Outrage?  by Elizabeth Plank

Withstanding rape threats has become a right of passage for female writers or personalities, just as making them as become a right of passage for cowardly and anonymous misogynist trolls. If you’re a woman who happens to possess opinions, and write about feminist issues (god forbid!), chances are you will be violently trolled. … the issue is not that women receive more criticism than men, but rather that it comes in more violent and vitriolic forms. Men will be attacked for their opinion, whereas women will be threatened because they have opinions.

[O]ne study showed that female usernames in chat forums received 25 times more abuse than male ones. In an experiment conducted by the University of Maryland, researchers found that “Female usernames, on average, received 163 malicious private messages a day.” So all else equal, if you’re a woman online, you’re going to be on the receiving end of more hate.

I believe it. I get a lot of shit from misogynists for running this blog — and the occasional threat — but what I get is nothing compared to the harassment similarly controversial feminist bloggers who happen to be women have gotten.

What women-hating trolls really believe, by Emma Barnett

First troll up was Peter from Whitechapel. …

“She was asking for it,” he told me. According to this nitwit, if you campaign about issues such as keeping a woman on English banknotes, you should “expect to receive rape threats”. I delved further.

“If you put your head above the parapet, like she has, then you deserve this type of abuse. It’s what you get when you are a woman shouting about something,” Peter told me, starting to get a little irate. …

Then Gary from Birmingham decided to call in [and] told me in no uncertain terms that “feminists like Caroline were undermining what it is to be a man” and needed “sorting out”.

“Men are predators,” he explained calmly. “And this [rape threats] is what we do.”

And here, after all this awfulness, is a piece that manages to be funny about it all: How to use the internet without being a total loser.

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Quark
Quark
11 years ago

@seraph4377 – Not sure why I should listen to advice which basically amounts to “just be bullied and harassed into silence like we’re telling you to”.

And the hypocrisy is just… if it wasn’t so awful it would be hilarious.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

cloudiah: I like all the toppings.

Remeber when Tommy Martin got so pissed at me and called me c*nt? Or Brandon’s veiled rape threat? GOOD TIMES.

katz
11 years ago

LMAO. This troll is hilarious. Actually the first time I’ve seen someone here actually announce that swearing is wrong and we have to stop.

I’ll be giving a one point deduction to the inevitable flounce for insisting that she’ll never leave.

Kristineedscats
11 years ago

@dustydeste

That was beautiful! *Applause from the peanut gallery.*

Hyena Girl
Hyena Girl
11 years ago

@Quark:
Ah, I see I am slightly wrong, you did say that 99.9% wouldn’t so you did not say zero. I stand corrected there. I’ll grant you that.

^ Protip: Do you see the difference between this and trolling?

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
11 years ago

How to elegantly and graciously make an apology:

My wording was thoughtless and I understand that the perception of a threat of rape would upset anyone. I’m sorry if my comment hurt you and any offense it caused.

Note the conspicuous lack of weasel words or ifpologizing.

How to act like a three year old who can’t see past zir own tantrum:

Yes, I can do that, and understand people disagree with me and feel offended *even though it was not my intention to offend*.

Note the conspicuous lack of anything resembling an apology for coming into someone else’s space and crossing many established lines (concern trolling, doubling down when your mistakes are pointed out) that you should have known about had you really been reading for so long.

There’s a lot of cursing going on, yes. So what. If you don’t like it, you don’t have to read it. Having a potty mouth (no matter how filthy) is not illegal, and cursing (no matter how floridly or imaginatively) is perfectly in keeping with the community standards here.

Quark
Quark
11 years ago

Can you all stop misrepresenting my argument. I have said countless times internet threats are very bad, and those who make them should be exposed and punished.

Helping people to feel safe is NOT the same as telling them to grow a thicker skin. I have never, ever said or insinuated people shouldn’t be upset by internet abuse. Why would I advocate naming and shaming if I thought it was all okay?

I don’t think it’s okay – I don’t think rape or death threats are okay, I don’t think what a lot of you are doing towards me is okay.

dustydeste
dustydeste
11 years ago

And the hypocrisy is just… if it wasn’t so awful it would be hilarious.

Daaaaamn, I love the unintentional truthiness of it all.

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

In actual stuff, a court clerk was fired after 34 years of service… for helping a defendant file a motion that proved his innocense.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07/30/2384751/court-clerk-fired-for-helping-secure-dna-test-that-proved-a-mans-innocence/

Holy FUCK our justice system here is messed up.

seraph4377
11 years ago

Quark – Someone who wants you silenced doesn’t advise you to come back on another thread. But now this is probably going to be your only thread, so I get what you think I wanted anyway.

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

Helping people to feel safe is NOT the same as telling them to grow a thicker skin.

That’s true; but you did the second thing, not the first thing, and that’s why we’re mad at you.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Howard: I saw that yesterday, and my mind was blown. That’s fucked up.

Ally S
11 years ago

Helping people to feel safe is NOT the same as telling them to grow a thicker skin. I have never, ever said or insinuated people shouldn’t be upset by internet abuse. Why would I advocate naming and shaming if I thought it was all okay?

But as others have said, saying that most of these threats aren’t genuine is not only false, but also does nothing to help threat victims feel safe.

leftwingfox
11 years ago

Hey story-time.

Once upon a time, there was a polite young man. He was godly, hated swearing, and was always nice, and always had a smile.

To your face.

But he would never compromise. It was his way, or you were another oppressive jerk in this sinful world. He simply did not understand why the world as so cruel and rude to him, because it would not do everything the exact way he told it to. Not the proper way; his way.

My last interaction with him was when he asked me to give my friend, his roommate, his half of the damage deposit. As he hands me the money, he starts giving me this big explanation of why he was only giving this much, and not the entire amount, because he didn’t feel the roommate had done enough cleaning to ensure they got the deposit back.

At this point, I stopped him, and said. “Look, your roommate is here. I just saw him. Why don’t you give it to him yourself?”

“Well, I tried.” he replied.

“And…?”

Looking scandalized, he whispered. “He swore in my face.”

I gave him back the money “Yeah, I’m not touching this.”

If that’s polite, FUCK POLITE.

dustydeste
dustydeste
11 years ago

As far as the slumber party goes, you can’t have the banana bread, but I’ve got all the fixin’s for a nice sangria with an acai berry wine that a friend gave us 😀 Also I could make cucumber tea sandwiches with chevre and cracked pepper?

cloudiah
11 years ago

@Howard, Fucking fuck! That is fucked up.

Quark
Quark
11 years ago

@gillyrosebee

Okay, I am more than happy to apologise if anything I said offended or upset anyone. I apologise.

However, this is not “someone else’s space”, unless you mean David, who has not commented on this thread.

This is a public blog, open to anyone he allows to comment on it, which includes me. It is not your blog. You have no more rights here than I do, and no rights to abuse or attack me or anyone else just because you have “been here longer”.

Hyena Girl
Hyena Girl
11 years ago

@ Quark:
This is a belated request on your 99.9% figure or other claims about level of danger that you’ve made in this sprawling derailed thread.

*** CITATION PLEASE ***

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
11 years ago

@ Hyena Girl – others would not let it rest either. You can say I am at fault and you may be right, But to say no-one else is is absurd. Many people here have behaved very badly.

This subject matters to me and you are as wrong as it is possible to get on whether or not online threats are “real” or not. Plenty of people told me that I shouldn’t worry about people sending me vile emails because it was “just people innocently venting” and “nothing to get too worked up about” (that last from a police detective in a neighboring city, where rapist fuckwad was actually living at the time).

They were wrong. You, similarly are wrong. My apologies to everyone else here, but you will not get the last word on this.

Falconer
11 years ago

Mmm, “I’ll stay til I’m banned”, “why are you anonymous, tell me your real name”, “why do you swear so much, Hellkell”. Who does that sound like?

I have a terrible memory for names, but it’s been pretty recent.

katz
11 years ago

oops, I fucking forgot to swear in my comment because my tablet’s shitty autocomplete doesn’t have many swear words.

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

oops, I fucking forgot to swear in my comment because my tablet’s shitty autocomplete doesn’t have many swear words.

I lolled

CL
CL
11 years ago

“I just don’t see how it is helpful to anyone to live in a state of paralysed terror. It is always better to feel safe.”

Once again, Quark, YOU SAID THIS. This is a direct quote. SAYING ‘you should feel safe’ is not the same as HELPING anyone feel safe. Especially when the logic behind your assertion is flawed.

Shadow
Shadow
11 years ago

So derailing the derail, and the OP, but this kid is FUCKIN amazing and I can’t get this smile off my face after seeing him

http://www.upworthy.com/a-12-year-old-egyptian-boy-flabbergasts-an-interviewer-they-werent-expecting-a-political-genius-4

hometeampaper
hometeampaper
11 years ago

Hey, Quark, I’m going to guess that you’re being genuine and respond accordingly. I don’t mean to pile on and I don’t expect a direct response. (Although you seem to be responding to every single “fuck off”, which has really drawn this out.)

To everyone else: PLEASE call me out if I’m doing something wrong here.

I’m new to posting here too, but it feels from the language you’re using (“opinion”, “perspective”, “debate”) that you’re treating this as an academic discussion. You are talking about something genuinely harmful and talking to people with actual lived experience and knowledge of that harm. This is an impression that you’re giving.

What you’re doing here is pretty similar to what a lot of trolls do. I’m not saying you’re necessarily trolling. But there isn’t a lot of patience for how you’re coming across, and people are responding with hostility because they are out of that patience. Actually, it’s a little hard to believe you’ve been lurking the comments but never seen this happen before.

If you’re about to say “But I was just stating my opinion,” don’t. Acting as if people swearing at your posts is even on the same scale as the harassment being discussed? Offensive.

Also, people who’ve been here longer have built up credibility you don’t have. Your posts in this thread are all anyone has to go on, and I don’t think anyone likes what they’re seeing.

My advice is to take a step back from this thread, think a bit, and then be a little more mindful in any future posts.

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