The fellas in the Men’s Rights subreddit are getting worked up over imaginary feminists again!
Yesterday, in a discussion of paternity fraud, a brand-new Redditor who had never posted a comment before posted a completely unsourced screenshot of what quite a few of the regulars took to be some sort of official feminist statement on paternity fraud.
A few of the more discerning commenters suggested that the screenshot might just be satire, but others were convinced not only that it was real, but that it was the completely serious opinion of a representative feminist. As one put it, referring to the Reddit watchdogs in Shit Reddit Says,
Another chimed in with this:
I took a few moments to Google some of the text in the screenshot to find out where it originated and discovered that it came from a now-defunct Tumblr blog called feminismrising.
While the blog is gone, it has left little traces of itself all over the internet, and from these traces it’s easy enough to figure out that it was a satirical/troll blog meant to parody feminism. My guess, for what it’s worth, is that that it was written by a feminist out to parody the absurd visions of evil feminism that are prevalent amongst Men’s Rightsers and other antifeminists. But who knows. The only thing that’s really clear is that it was a joke.
Proof? Well, here’s one “Q-and-A” that evidently once ran on the site:
Q: My boyfriend recently asked me if we could have sex. I tried to explain to him that asking me to have sex with him counts as sexual assault, but he couldn’t understand it that piv sex is ONLY okay if I am the one who asks for it. Can you help me try to explain why what he’s doing when he asks for sex is misogynistic?
A: It seems he doesn’t understand sexual harassment to such a degree for all intents and purposes is basically sexual assault.
This is normal; men in general don’t understand even the most basic tactful ways to approach women.
A rule of thumb is that if you can see him, hear him and feel him it’s most definitely sexual assault. Now does that mean that just because you can’t feel him it isn’t sexual assault? No. That’s just something rape culture says. Going by that line of reasoning it wouldn’t be sexual assault if you simply couldn’t feel him as you’d been administered some sort of anesthesia.
So through absurdity reduction we rule out that it’s necessary to feel him. If you can hear him, see him and you feel sexually assaulted then you have been sexually assaulted.
He’s being misogynistic for saying he doesn’t understand.
I think only a complete Men’s Rights dunderhead could fail to detect the satire here.
You can see more examples from the blog here.
Elsewhere in the same Men’s Rights subreddit discussion, helping MRAs live up to another unfortunate stereotype, this fella gets a few upvotes for his I’m-just-sayin’ semi-advocacy of vigilante justice — specifically, murdering judges:
Oh, Men’s Rights Redditors. You’re just awful, aren’t you?
Totally OT but MARK MINTER is getting married. The lolz are epic.
http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-26293.html
Oh, awesome. Congratulations to both of them and may they be happy in their works.
Falconer, in “Gibbon’s Decline and Fall”, written by misandrist extraordinaire Sheri S. Tepper, her most misogynist human male decides that “Johnny Appleseed” is a metaphor for male superiority (only the seed matters, not the soil).
So it’s happened *once*.
(And by “soil”, he meant “woman”,)
CassandraSays, my father was an MRA before MRA’s were a thing.
And I think I’m done spamming. Sorry.
*gathers thoughts for later posting*
Mazel tov to the happy couple. I give it a year.
I wonder how misogynists would react if they knew all (cis) men have a vestigial womb and vagina.
Not only is Mark Minter getting married, it’s to a single mother over the age of 30. Horrors! Or, as one of the commenters on the Roosh forum put it:
This is like having Jesus spit in your face while saying “FUCK YOU BROTHER!”
Mazel tov!
My sister’s ex-boyfriend called my brother a mangina when my brother complained about him being rude, disrespectful of boundaries, etc. He also shows a very dismissive, contemptuous attitude towards women and is an avid Redditor. So I’m pretty sure my sister’s ex boyfriend is an MRA. At the very least, he’s a misogynistic dipshit because he broke up with her because, of all things, she forgot to get him fries from a fast food restaurant. (Yes, that was his actual reason.)
A few of my long-time acquaintances also are showing more and more sympathy towards MRA views, which is very disappointing.
For all that these guys talk big about women being desperate to get married and losing their “value” after their twenties while men hate commitment and get more attractive with every new wrinkle, this is how Minter defends his engagement:
I am 58 year old man. None of you know what that truly entails until you get to that point in your life. Kate is an attractive 34 year old woman, with options galore if she chose to take them.
Also, it sounds like they haven’t actually met in person yet.
What do I have to do to get an invite to this wedding?
I don’t know Shaenon, but I’ll totally crash it with you.
In “Eumenides”, the last play of the Oresteia, Apollo defends Orestes against the Furies. They seek his life because he killed his mother Clytemnestra. He argues that Orestes and she were not kin, relying on a biological argument – since the mother contributes nothing to the child except a fertile furrow for the father’s seed*, the Furies cannot destroy him for spilling kindred blood. Although the Furies are swayed by this argument, I remember my fellow freshmen/women in Western Civ I being less than persuaded.
*There’s that word again.
Ohmigod, the sperm/seed debate. This was part of my project for a seminar last semester, so I’ll try to give you the abbreviated version. The MRAs here are basically subscribing to the homonucleus theory of human reproduction- basically, sperm is actually babies that just need a nice warm womb to incubate for a while and then BOOM! Person! Mothers contributed nothing else to the reproductive process. This was once on the cutting edge of scientific theory, but that was also when demons were considered the major cause of most diseases. The more things change…
Dammit, ninja’d.
But if the Skeksis are MRAs, then feminists are literally the flip side of them! One cannot exist without the other!
If my significantly older partner (it’s no 24 year age gap but it’s still pretty eyebrow-raising) were to ever brag about our age difference with a “top that, motherfuckers!” like I was some prized lamb of his, I would be out the door in a minute.
OMG, this Minter news is amazing. His ex-wife posted a comment about it in another thread here, suggesting that for Minty a marriage would be
http://manboobz.com/2013/04/23/mark-minter-takes-on-marriage-mangina-manservants-and-americas-matriarchal-infrastructure/comment-page-14/#comment-333592
The plot thickens!
Munty Minty’s 58? Good lord. I thought he was some twit in his thirties.
I’m glad to say I don’t know any. The only two men I talk to offline on a regular basis are my workmates, who’d never heard of the MRM. My boss is regularly appalled when I read stuff about the MRM to him. He’s not a feminist by any means, but that stuff leaves him torn between laughter and horror, much like most of us here. (Especially when I showed him the Big Book of Learnin’ and the Biography of Dr Christopher Pell.)
Makes perfect sense to me. If I were marrying an MRA, I sure as hell wouldn’t brag about it.
How am I not surprised Minty doesn’t pay child support. I wonder how his fiance–who has a kid–feels about that?
Child support is misandry! Don’t you know?????
I haven’t read the article or comments yet, but I saw a troll on tumblr and felt noglistic about this place :’) Hi guys! 😀
*goes back to skim comments.*
“I still think the feminismriswing blog must have been a feminist parodying MRA’s bizarre and paranoid visions of what feminism is.”
I agee, that seems exactly what I would write as a joke blog if I weren’t so lazy
Long time, no see, Marie!
@Katz
If you were to marry an MRA you’d have a manboobz intervention on your hands.