Leave it to the guys at Roosh V’s Return of Kings blog to find a bright side, of sorts, to a study reporting that one in five Americans suffered from some sort of mental illness in 2010, with more women (23%) amongst those affected than men (16.8%).
Since “at least a quarter of the women you run into at any given time are not going to be alright upstairs,” RoK contributor Athlone McGinn argues, and the percentage is likely to be much higher amongst younger women, you might as well use this fact to your advantage.
But first you need to accept the disadvantages. For one thing, you need to realize your powerful man-logic won’t work on these gals:
If you’re 18-25, you will in many cases be dealing with someone who is fundamentally incapable of being reliably rational.
Never mind that most mental illnesses don’t affect the ability to think rationally about most things. Someone with an intense phobia of Donald Trump’s hair, for example, is able to think rationally about everything except Donald Trump’s hair.
Maybe that’s a bad example. I’m not sure it’s entirely irrational to be afraid of Donald Trump’s hair.
And, like their sane counterparts, the crazy ladies may sometimes turn you down. But at least this time you don’t have to feel so bad about yourself.
You may think you’re a loser because you get shot down by these girls more than you’d like, but this isn’t always the case: you’re often dealing with not-entirely-alright girls with illogical criteria.
Oh, but McGinn assures us that “[t]his isn’t an excuse, mind you.” You still need to make sure your “game” is tight. Just don’t be too hard on yourself, because women (like the prices at Crazy Eddie’s electronics emporiums) are literally insane.
So what’s the great advantage of dating a woman who’s mentally ill? McGinn is a bit vague, probably deliberately, but essentially he suggests that men can keep “dysfunctional” women in line by treating them like shit:
Dysfunctional treatment is often welcomed by dysfunctional people, and many of those with mental issues fit that bill. Since we’ve already established that a very large number of young women fit into that category, you should not be surprised to see so many of them respond positively to dysfunctional behavior.
It is not uncommon for young men to adopt some of these dysfunctional behaviors, find increased sexual/romantic success with their female peers as a result, and then feel guilty about it all. Such guilt is understandable (they don’t like the fact that morally degraded versions of themselves are more appealing to girls in general than the men they actually prefer to be), but ultimately unnecessary—there is nothing a man can do about the female proclivity to welcome such behavior except adapt to it. It is the result of factors much bigger than him.
Poor pickup artists! They don’t want to be abusive, manipulative, exploitative assholes and terrible people generally. They’re driven to this awful behavior by forces beyond their control — like the fact that women are statistically somewhat more likely to suffer from mental illness than men.
Cassandra: How is Pretty and Cute to order from?
I think it was the Lioele I was looking at. I don’t like heavy coverage, my skin is pretty good overall, and in the TX heat it would just melt off anyway. I’m also deathly pale with blueish pink undertones.
As far as mascaras, the Lancome Defincils is still the gold standard.
+1000. Every time I try something new, I always go back.
Athlone: The point I was trying to convey was that men should not feel responsible for the decisions that women who have low self-esteem will make. They should simply accept them. They do not have to take advantage of these women in order to do this.
What utter cocksnot.
You are saying that women are, to some degree, by default, disfunctional, and men can exploit that; and in any case they can use that idea to validate their being an asshole.
That’s your argument. You can try to dress it up with little bits of abnegating rhetoric, but that’s what you are arguing.
And it’s abusive, of both the women those men choose to be evil to, and the men; because they get to pretend it’s not that they are fuckheads and assholes, it’s that the women are, “irrational”.
So you are a fuckmuppet.
Not sure what you’re talking about. I’m sticking by what I wrote. It is your interpretation of that writing that is being discussed.
No you aren’t. You got called out on telling dudes they can exploit women’s (putative) vulnerabilities, and decided you needed to try some handwavious gaslighting.
You didn’t tell dudes to leave the vulnerable alone, you said they were exploitable, and there is no need to feel guilty about it:
Dysfunctional treatment is often welcomed by dysfunctional people, and many of those with mental issues fit that bill. Since we’ve already established that a very large number of young women fit into that category, you should not be surprised to see so many of them respond positively to dysfunctional behavior….
Such guilt is understandable (they don’t like the fact that morally degraded versions of themselves are more appealing to girls in general than the men they actually prefer to be), but ultimately unnecessary—there is nothing a man can do about the female proclivity to welcome such behavior except adapt to it. It is the result of factors much bigger than him.
Own your words, or publically (On your blog, not here, where the people who read you don’t come) renounce them.
I have 2 from Lioele (Beyond the Solution and Triple the Solution) and they’d be horrible in humidity, much too heavy. The Triple the Solution is really pale though (too pale for me). I know Dior makes one purely for the Japan and Korea markets that’s for super pale skin, but it’s about as expensive as you’d expect a limited edition Dior product to be.
Pretty and Cute have awesome customer service. Have you seen the spot where you can order samples? That was how I figured it out, got a bunch of samples and tried them all so I could figure out which ones were worth ordering an actual trial size of.
http://www.prettyandcute.com/3pc-Sample-Package-p4991.html
They usually let you pick a free sample with every order so you can throw in another one to try that way too. The BRTC Jasmine Water cream is definitely for pale skin, but might be too moisturizing for you? It is really light, though, so would feel nice in Texas. In terms of feel on the skin I definitely like the Skin79 ones best, they sort of sink in more like a moisturizer so your skin just feels soft, not tacky like you’re wearing foundation. The Missha ones are worth a try to, and they actually offer varying skin tones, but they’re not as good for the skin as the BB creams from a line that’s more skincare-focused.
Thanks, I’m going to order some samples and try them out.
Athlone: Well, that sounds like a fair, reasoned rebuttal.
It was. You may not be subtle enough to see the reasoning, but it’s there. Since it’s obviously true there is no need to lay it out, save to the meanest of intellects.
But, since you seem to be one of those in need of explication, I will engage in some (noblesse oblige, and all that).
Where did I pretend not to say that? This is what I’m not understanding.
When you said:
I’m not going to tell men to ignore what may very well be the majority of the female populace in their given location.
You have created a case where the recommendation you gave was 1: manipulate the “irrational women”, or avoid them; but you aren’t going to tell men to avoid manipulating women if that’s the only good way to get their dick wet.
Further, if a dude is just an asshole, and so getting recognised; and shunned for good reason, you have given him an out to be a raging asshole; because he will tell himself that he’s cool, and women aren’t rejecting him for valid reasons, and “dysfunctional people like being treated badly”.
So you’ve created a Catch-22. Women don’t get to realise some men are dickwads and assholes; because if they do (because those men are) those men get to call them crazy.
And you double down on it, by pretending that your little, “they can choose to ignore the “crazy” ones”, is somehow strong enough to outweigh the giant justificatory rationalisasion engine you created.
Athlone: …when those phrases stop being a natural part of this hook up culture that has changed many things.
How old are you?
Because me, I remember when I first started being involved in “hook-up” culture, it was 1983. I was sort of sad, because it seemed it was fading out (people were afraid of herpes, really; that was a thing).
That was… shit thirty years ago (16 July, for those who want to make inferences of a TMI nature)
So tell me again about how it’s “all different now”.
Really, cause I want to know about it.
Random, but am I the only one who keeps reading PUA dudebro’s name as Abalone? Maybe I’m just hungry.
@ Auggziliary
Toner is, according to some dermatologists, unnecessary because your skin does not really need toner. I know that astringents are used to help reduce the appearance of pores by irritating the skin and causing it to swell.
@Pecunium
I was WONDERING when you would show up!
Toner is sometimes used to help absorb excess oil on the face.
Toners to avoid: Neutrogena’s Pore Refining Toner. I don’t know if it can actually double as paint stripper, but it certainly smells as if it can.
I haven’t used a toner since my teens, and my skin is in pretty good condition, so I’m going to vote for “not actually necessary”.
I have toner, but I only use it if my skin is really really oily — generally because of a rapid shift in humidity. I have no idea if it’s good, neutral, or actively harmful to my skin, but it gets rid of the hormonal 14 year old look.
I have some Proactive toner that I only use if I get a zit. Otherwise I skip it.
I feel like for dry skin it actually hurts rather than helping. Sometimes literally, as in ouch.
@auggziliary:
It’s a family name.
@pecunium:
LOL there’s no point. You’re making the exact same claims that Fibonachi and auggziliary made earlier today. My words are very much owned, I can’t be any clearer than I have been.
No, I am not morally opposed to men engaging in dysfunctional behavior (which I’ve defined here a couple of times as something resembling assholish fratstar conduct, among other things) in order to “adapt”. You may consider that exploitative since said women only respond to this due to “low self-esteem”, but that’s my opinion. They can choose disengage as well and leave these women alone-that is another form of adaptation (one this blog post failed to recognize in its critique of my article). The choice is theirs.
I am 22.
Anyway, my previous comment has been in moderation for about 4 hours and I’m apparently a “fuckmuppet” (that’s a new one to me, I might use that later), so I’ll just leave it at that. I’ve said most of what I wanted to say.
Good talk girls (and a few guys I think?)!
Oh, you’re 22. That explains 75% of your bullshit right there. The other 25% is just you being a shithead.
Ah, he’s still at that stage where inexperience meets arrogance and produces nonsense.
BTW, 22 year olds really shouldn’t refer to women old enough to be their parents as “girls”.
Yup, he literally knows nothing.
If I turned out a son like him, I’d be beyond disappointed.
Seriously, his poor mom. How embarrassing.
You try to raise ’em up right, and look how they turn out.
Athlone: LOL there’s no point. You’re making the exact same claims that Fibonachi and auggziliary made earlier today.
Perhaps there is a reason for that. Languages are funny that way, those who are fluent in them take similar meaning from the ways in which words are strung together.
No, I am not morally opposed to men engaging in dysfunctional behavior (which I’ve defined here a couple of times as something resembling assholish fratstar conduct, among other things) in order to “adapt”.
That’s what we said. Your lack of disapproval rings loud and clear. The only reason you see for someone to refrain is that it makes them feel guilty; and then you say such guilt is foolish.
Ergo, you give a tacit approval (through your lack of discouragement. Silence equals assent).
hey can choose disengage as well and leave these women alone-that is another form of adaptation (one this blog post failed to recognize in its critique of my article). The choice is theirs.
Nope. The post recognised that the thrust of your piece was that women are crazy, and one can exploit that (because dysfunctional people get off on being treated badly). The weasel words don’t erase that, and pretending they do is either a complete failure to understand how argument (and language) work, or deliberate dishonesty.
Neither one of which reflects well on you (the latter because well, dishonest, and the former because you refuse to learn from those who better understand the text, subtext, and real-world implications of your words are).
I am 22.
Which means you have fuck-all experience; with anything. You certainly aren’t in any position to be giving disquisitions on how the social dynamics between men and women have changed. Ignorance is not strength.
Oh, no wonder I could see nothing of myself in his descriptions of young women. It’s that whole 2 years I have on him. I’m far too old to possibly understand how college/Uni culture has changed since I was 22.
The bitterness about the fact that women are allowed to choose not to do what he wants them to had a certain eternal quality to it.
This has prolly already been said, but:
Scumbag troll – your sport analogy fails, not only because not everyone here is USian or gives a shit about football, but because it talks as if the woman you’re trying to hit on is part of a team and is SUPPOSED to be hit on by you. If she doesn’t it’s some sort of failure on her part; she dropped the ball.
Sorry, sonny, it doesn’t work like that. She’s not part of a team, she hasn’t signed contracts and received pay to be on a playing field and help defeat another team. She’s a woman out to enjoy herself. She’s got nothing to do with you. She owes you nothing, not attention, and absolutely not a positive reception to your sexual overtures. Sure, if she fancies a drink, or a conversation, good luck to her. If she fancies sex, ditto. But you don’t have the right to expect any of that from her, let alone “make a play” and carry the attitude implicit in your analogy – that if you don’t get to shove it in her it’s her failure.
Why don’t you save everyone time, expense and hassle and just go fuck yourself instead?