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Pickup artist: Women are crazy, so it’s in your best interest to treat them badly

She's not interested? Obviously she's nuts!
She’s not interested? Obviously she’s nuts!

Leave it to the guys at Roosh V’s Return of Kings blog to find a bright side, of sorts, to a study reporting that one in five Americans suffered from some sort of mental illness in 2010, with more women (23%) amongst those affected than men (16.8%).

Since “at least a quarter of the women you run into at any given time are not going to be alright upstairs,” RoK contributor Athlone McGinn argues, and the percentage is likely to be much higher amongst younger women, you might as well use this fact to your advantage.

But first you need to accept the disadvantages. For one thing, you need to realize your powerful man-logic won’t work on these gals:

If you’re 18-25, you will in many cases be dealing with someone who is fundamentally incapable of being reliably rational.

Never mind that most mental illnesses don’t affect the ability to think rationally about most things. Someone with an intense phobia of Donald Trump’s hair, for example, is able to think rationally about everything except Donald Trump’s hair.

Maybe that’s a bad example. I’m not sure it’s entirely irrational to be afraid of Donald Trump’s hair.

And, like their sane counterparts, the crazy ladies may sometimes turn you down. But at least this time you don’t have to feel so bad about yourself.

You may think you’re a loser because you get shot down by these girls more than you’d like, but this isn’t always the case: you’re often dealing with not-entirely-alright girls with illogical criteria.

Oh, but McGinn assures us that “[t]his isn’t an excuse, mind you.” You still need to make sure your “game” is tight. Just don’t be too hard on yourself, because women (like the prices at Crazy Eddie’s electronics emporiums) are literally insane.

So what’s the great advantage of dating a woman who’s mentally ill? McGinn is a bit vague, probably deliberately, but essentially he suggests that men can keep “dysfunctional” women in line by treating them like shit:

Dysfunctional treatment is often welcomed by dysfunctional people, and many of those with mental issues fit that bill. Since we’ve already established that a very large number of young women fit into that category, you should not be surprised to see so many of them respond positively to dysfunctional behavior.

It is not uncommon for young men to adopt some of these dysfunctional behaviors, find increased sexual/romantic success with their female peers as a result, and then feel guilty about it all. Such guilt is understandable (they don’t like the fact that morally degraded versions of themselves are more appealing to girls in general than the men they actually prefer to be), but ultimately unnecessary—there is nothing a man can do about the female proclivity to welcome such behavior except adapt to it. It is the result of factors much bigger than him.

Poor pickup artists! They don’t want to be abusive, manipulative, exploitative assholes and terrible people generally. They’re driven to this awful behavior by forces beyond their control — like the fact that women are statistically somewhat more likely to suffer from mental illness than men.

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BabyLawyer
BabyLawyer
11 years ago

Boys, boys, boys. This is why no one takes you seriously: because you clearly are not capable of even rudimentary critical thinking skills.

jjbeans
jjbeans
11 years ago

And what are the causes of the slight increase in women suffering from mental illness? Is it because of abuse? society’s impossible high standards? The extra demands put on women regarding child care, child bearing, etc, while at the same time suffering from more poverty on average? I don’t think women are genetically more prone to mental illness because vagina. Its probably because they live in a world that is more hostile at worst, less accommadating at best than it is for men. That can wear a gal down.

serrana
serrana
11 years ago

Oh sure. If people who suffer from depression and anxiety are easier to manipulate, it is imperative that you seek such people out and manipulate them as much as possible. IF YOU ARE A COMPLETE ASSHOLE.

grumpycatisagirl
11 years ago

You know, given a choice between being a complete ass hole and not getting laid for the rest of my life, I’ll take the latter. Is that only because I’m not a man? I hope not.

girlscientist
girlscientist
11 years ago

Just so I understand correctly:

What other men think of what you’re doing with your penis: Very Serious Business

Your sense of self: meh… kind of optional

neuroticbeagle
11 years ago

“I treat women like crap and get laid (or so I tell others) therefore women must like being treated like crap therefore women are crazy bitches”–Pua thought processes

Really assholes? REALLY? Can you…wait, no. I was going to ask if you jackasses could sink any lower, but I’m afraid you idiots might see it as a challenge or a way to “up your game”.

grumpycatisagirl
11 years ago

These PUAs do not only seem to out-bizarre themselves all the time but also to out-awful themselves. With alarming consistency.

girlscientist
girlscientist
11 years ago

ETA: Thank God for Ultimate Triple Chocolate Cookies

hermionesotter
11 years ago

So lowering oneself ethically is fine as long as it gets you notches in the bedpost?

Totally demonstrates the moral superiority of men, that. Honest guv.

BlackBloc (@XBlackBlocX)

Reading the article…
>>>(as defined by the American Psychiatric Assn.’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-IV)

Ah yes. That old, objective tome of diagnosis, the APA’s DSM-IV. Which is on the verge of being thrown out the window for the DSM-V, with half the profession celebrating about all the bullshit that’s going to be dropped from the DSM-IV and the other half aghast at all the bullshit that’s going to be added in the DSM-V.

Andy
Andy
11 years ago

So this is basically the little nerd in the corner on his own telling the super charismatic guy, surrounded by people, women dripping off his arms, that no body takes him seriously. That he pities him because nerdy kids unsuccessful view of the world which is grounded in ideology doesnt line up with the other guys successful view which is based on tried and tested reality.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
11 years ago

23% to 17% isn’t even that much of a disparity between the sexes.

Viscaria
Viscaria
11 years ago

As a bonafide dysfunctional crazy lady, one of my irrational mate selection criteria is no ableist asshats.

sarahlizhousespouse
11 years ago

Someone call the court! McGinn has declared moral bankruptcy!

Jayem Griffin
11 years ago

So should we consider 17% of men to be fundamentally irrational? Oh no, I forgot, they are always rational, because MEN.

dustydeste
dustydeste
11 years ago
Ashley
11 years ago

I wonder how many of that 17% of irrational men makes up the mrm/red pill?

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Dysfunctional treatment is often welcomed by dysfunctional people, and many of those with mental issues fit that bill.

Nope, nope, nope. This dude is an asshole and shitty human for thinking this is an OK way to treat people.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

I see this thread brings out the nopetopus in us all.

cloudiah
11 years ago

So this is basically the little nerd in the corner on his own telling the super charismatic guy, surrounded by people, women dripping off his arms, that no body takes him seriously. That he pities him because nerdy kids unsuccessful view of the world which is grounded in ideology doesnt line up with the other guys successful view which is based on tried and tested reality.

Why are the women dripping off his arms? Are his arms super oily? He might want to see a doctor about that.

sarahlizhousespouse
11 years ago

“I wonder how many of that 17% of irrational men makes up the mrm/red pill?”

I wonder how many members of the mrm/red pill would throw their own grandmother under a bus if they felt they might profit from it.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Or are the women actually droplets of water? I hadn’t considered that; maybe that is a likelier scenario.

Malte
11 years ago

@Ashley: As a group, MRAs don’t have mental health issues. They’re just assholes.

Tunnel vision and confirmation bias, to be sure. But calling them crazy descends into ableism.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Hm, Malte, serious question: I’ve never really considered “irrational” and “crazy” to be equivalents. Is “irrational” widely viewed as ableist? If so, I’ll avoid it.

Lloyd
Lloyd
11 years ago

How can you even?
Someone I care about (an ex) who suffers from mental illness was in an emotionally abusive relationship for a long time (she is now in a happy, supportive one – yay!), it is not unusual for abusive people to prey on the mentally ill.
So please, what we need to do is encourage this.
Fucks sake.

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