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Men’s Rights Redditor: Maybe feminism is “a time bomb planted by them camel jockeys on the ‘western’ world.”

Today, a brief foray into racist conspiracy theory, courtesy of the Men’s Rights subreddit. This is from a discussion of British Prime Minister David Cameron’s internet porn ban, which the Men’s Rightsers seem to think was orchestrated by the evil feminist overlords.

k66sh 5 points 1 day ago* (5|0)  Sometimes think feminism is just a time bomb planted by them camel jockeys on the 'western' world. Soon they'll don those burquas and cite it as a victory for women - no more Male Gaze (TM) jabberwockysuperfly 1 point 1 day ago (1|0)  Replace 'camel jockeys' with 'Marxist culture assassins' and you're spot-on.

Lovely! You may wish to peruse k66ish’s comment history for many other nuggets of wisdom that may involve use of the word “cunt.”

Thanks to Cloudiah for pointing this one out in the comments here.

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Falconer
7 years ago

I don’t want to think of even the handsome young Henry VIII and porn in the same sentence!

You prolly don’t want to click on this link, then. (Mostly SFW, violence warning: cartoon of someone who got on Henry’s wrong side at the end.)

Malte
7 years ago

Marxist Tetris – here you go!>

Falconer
7 years ago

Malte remembered it before I did.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
7 years ago

That’s one of the two arguments usually trotted out by people who want to have veil laws

You forgot “seeing a veiled woman makes me feel threatened because it reminds me of the scary Muslim men who want to make us all dress like that”. Or at least, that was my MIL’s (now-)ex’s reasoning.

Over and over again he showed that he’d really gotten into his head that she was this poor oppressed muslim woman in a veil, despite the fact that she was a pretty tough and outspoken person in general.

As I often say: it’s amazing how many people suddenly become feminists when they need something to justify their islamophobia.

SittieKitty
7 years ago

Historophilia, well, some porn is being banned under that legislation. I dunno how I feel about that legislation either. On the one hand, yeah, porn is too easy to access and I generally agree it helps significantly in promoting status quo patriarchy (and I personally think it’s gross but that’s an aesthetic thing), on the other hand, I also don’t really care what fantasies other people have as long as they know they’re fantasies and don’t tell me about them, and criminalizing fantasies seems like a violation to me. I have a hard time reconciling those two ideas…

sarahlizhousespouse
7 years ago

The Niqab bans in France really make my blood boil. It’s all about Islamophobia and NOT about feminism. A woman should be able to choose whether or not she is veiled and a ban takes that choice away from her. If a woman really does not want to be veiled and is in a situation where she cannot make choices about her appearance the larger population’s hatred and/or ignorance of her religious beliefs will most likely keep her from speaking out or seeking help.
As for the officials and IDs … as far as I know women who practice Islam can reveal their faces and hair to other women. In that case, have a female official take said lady into a private room so the official may confirm the lady’s identity. Problem solved and we don’t even have to humiliate or degrade her.

Dvärghundspossen
7 years ago

it’s amazing how many people suddenly become feminists when they need something to justify their islamophobia.

QFTW.

SittieKitty
7 years ago

What if someone wanted to veil because they liked the look and not because of any religious reasons? Does wearing a hat/toque (that covers the hair) count as a veil or does it have to be traditionally associated with Islam? What about other religions where they cover their hair, there are a number of Christian religions that recommend it, especially at church? Does the ban get enforced on Halloween when people dress like I Dream of Jeanie? Enquiring minds want to know!

(Yes, I’m being facetious, it just seems like an odd thing to ban clothing choices)

M Dubz
M Dubz
7 years ago

it’s amazing how many people suddenly become feminists when they need something to justify their islamophobia.

A world of THIS.

CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1)

David Futrelle

I should have known that it would be only a matter of time before an “MRA” combined his sexism with anti Muslim and anti Arab bigotry. I wonder how long it will be now until one of them blames the “evil” of feminism on the Jews.

M Dubz
M Dubz
7 years ago

@SittieKitty- Given how attached the French are to their Catholic “cultural traditions.” I doubt nuns won’t be allowed to walk around veiled.

pineapplecookies
pineapplecookies
7 years ago

@Dvärghundspossen @emilygoddess @sarahlizhousespouse

Listening to people like you give back my faith in humanity. Seriously. All this hijab-niqab problem many Westerners have, to the point they are just being plain intolerant and quite ridiculous, makes me not only angry, but very uncomfortable.
and you are right! Most people who are bothered by that are not connected to women’s freedom at all, they just want to control others. Specially ones they do not understand (and don’t even bother to).

Not to mention I have several Muslim friends who cover and choose to do so. In fact, the husband of one of them told her he would rather she does not veil so people would not harass her. She told him that veiling (she covers the head only) was very important to her, so he respected that.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

I have made an artistic decision that whenever I need to mention a band name in a story, I will use some trollspeak from the Internet. As a restul, my punk rock band is going to be Marxist Culture Assassins, and courtesy of the g0ys, my queercore band will be called either the Sodomizing Buttfuckers or Buttphuck Tyranny. What do y’all think?

RE: Falconer

So … why is the Scarecrow garrotting Albert Wesker?

I like you.

Also, oh god that Soviet Union Tetris song. That song inhabits a really weird place in my mind, because I first heard it as I was getting steadily more and more demented from the ED and workaholism, and the increasingly manic tempo and insanity of the song pretty accurately reflects what my brain was becoming. It’s a good song, but adds a whole new dimension of creepiness and muted terror for me, in that light.

M Dubz
M Dubz
7 years ago

@pineapplecookies- I went to a prestigious women’s college. Lots of feminist friends. Lots of my brilliant feminist classmates were women who veiled. So yeah, you know.

dustydeste
dustydeste
7 years ago

The only argument I’ve heard that holds any water whatsoever when it comes to veils is that they could be problematic in helping criminals hide so they won’t be identified/found, which is why face-concealing masks are banned in a lot of places (in the States, at least, to my knowledge). But that doesn’t stop people from wearing masks to commit crimes, and besides, what are we going to do next, ban face bandages for people who’ve hurt their faces?

I think that maintaining freedom of religious expression is more important than maybe perhaps possibly keeping someone from wearing a niqab to rob a gas station or whatever. It’s not like people who are going to get up to no good don’t have other options anyways.

dustydeste
dustydeste
7 years ago

@LBT: I think Buttphuck Tyranny has a nice ring to it. Just rolls off the tongue 😀

Dvärghundspossen
7 years ago

I have a friend who’s a politician, and made this argument on his blog a while ago regarding the anti-veil-legislation debate; so, you feel that covering yourself in cloth would be degrading. Fine! You don’t have to do that, since it’s a free country! But the fact that you feel that covering up would be degrading, is no basis for prohibiting others from covering up. It’s just like BDSM: If you feel it would be degrading to be tied up or whipped or whatnot, you don’t have to do that, since it’s a free country! But that’s no basis for prohibiting others from doing so. Everyone realizes that when it comes to BDSM, so why is it so hard for people to draw the same conclusion regarding veils?

And, like, half of the commentators were like “NOOOO you CANNOT make that comparison, because BDSM is something enlightened westerners do, while only these oppressed brown women wear veils!”. Go figure.

sarahlizhousespouse
7 years ago

Are we voting? Buttphuck Tyranny has a nice sound. It really rolls off the tongue. Oh dear, that could be interpreted in a dirty way.

sarahlizhousespouse
7 years ago

@ dustydeste
Am I you? Or am I David?
I can’t keep track anymore!

dustydeste
dustydeste
7 years ago

@sarahlizhousespouse: You just forgot to turn off your Hivemind™ reciever. Sometimes we get echoes like that.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Dvarghundspossen

because BDSM is something enlightened westerners do, while only these oppressed brown women wear veils!”

Oh, gag me. I know people who do BDSM, and it is NOT enlightened. It seems to have just as many abusers and misogynists in the vanilla world, just plastered over with lip-service about how awesome consent is (but GOOD subs will consent to everything).

Also, I would never presume to claim that I know why anyone wears what they do, never mind folks in a part of the world and religious background that I know very little about.

Shiraz
Shiraz
7 years ago

“@Shiraz

Thanks for the link.”

Sure thing. 🙂

Falconer
7 years ago

RE: Falconer

So … why is the Scarecrow garrotting Albert Wesker?

I like you.

Thank you! ::beet red::

I had a lot to say, but it boiled down to multiculturalism yay! and sumptuary laws boo! and sounded alternately mansplaining and cookie begging, so I cut it. Don’t even know why I’m typing this paragraph except to show off my vocabulary.

Falconer
7 years ago

(but GOOD subs will consent to everything)

Oh, gack.

Leum
Leum
7 years ago

I’ve seen people claim that a sub’s sexual orientation is just “sub” and will therefore have sex in any manner and with any person their* dom tells them too.

*I use the gender-neutral pronoun, but I’m pretty sure that the idea really only applies to female subs

dustydeste
dustydeste
7 years ago

I keep getting a “Sorry, this comment could not be posted” message on another thread; just trying to figure out what’s up. Please disregard this comment.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Leum

I’ve seen people claim that a sub’s sexual orientation is just “sub” and will therefore have sex in any manner and with any person their* dom tells them too.

*eyeroll* Yup. I ain’t even TOUCHING that site I found on BDSM dynamics with subs with mental illness. It was called ‘Broken Toys’ and sent me into frothing rage worthy of NWO.

Leum
Leum
7 years ago

Part of me wants to check that site out. Another part of me doesn’t want to spend the next three hours ranting at the internet.

Falconer
7 years ago

It was called ‘Broken Toys’ and sent me into frothing rage worthy of NWO.

‘Broken Toys’

Jesus FUCK am I done.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Leum and Falconer

Better you than me. I never really joined the kink scene, because I kept seeing shit like that and figured, if I wanted to be treated like an object for another class of people’s amusement, I would’ve just never graduated middle school. In children, it’s at least somewhat understandable, but in adults? No thanks.

Falconer
7 years ago

Nope, sorry to be misleading, but NO FUCKING WAY am I going to that website.

pi male
pi male
7 years ago

@ David Futrelle: This is completely off topic but I came across this story on my Facebook page and it sounded like something you might write about:

http://www.alternet.org/14-year-old-girl-pro-choice-sign-under-attack-please-stop-calling-me-whore?page=0%2C1

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

I keep getting a “Sorry, this comment could not be posted” message on another thread; just trying to figure out what’s up. Please disregard this comment.

I’ve been getting that too. I’ve found that closing the window and re-opening it works, but I have no idea why WP is being so janky lately.

dustydeste
dustydeste
7 years ago

@hellkell: Thanks for the tip! I couldn’t even post to ask if anyone knew how to fix it, lol, since it wasn’t letting me post on this thread either after that!

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Dustydeste: you’re welcome.

LBT: I vote Buttphuck Tyranny, it’s more fun to say.

grumpycatisagirl
7 years ago

Yeah, I have a problem with people saying practicing BDSM makes them “englightened.” If that’s what you do for fun than fine but that doesn’t make you any more or less “enlightened . . .” I have heard about “sacred BDSM” and I have to admit I have problems handling that whole concept as well . . .

Of course, this is all coming from the person who was so unenlightened she didn’t know what Gor porn was until yesterday so feel free to take my opinions with a grain of salt . . .

grumpycatisagirl
7 years ago

enlightened, I mean, Englightened is kind of a fun word to say out loud though.

Also then not than. Sheesh, myself.

leftwingfox
7 years ago

I’ve been getting that too. I’ve found that closing the window and re-opening it works, but I have no idea why WP is being so janky lately.

Yeah, it got to the point where I was completely blocked out yesterday on multiple browsers. Not sure what’s going on, but it certainly looks like it’s WordPress server-side.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: grumpycatisagirl

I have heard about “sacred BDSM” and I have to admit I have problems handling that whole concept as well . . .

I have no beef with that. I mean, I think sacred sexuality is a valid thing, and everyone worships in a different way. I want to be clear, I don’t think BDSM is a bad thing on its own, but the scenes I hear about suffer from a lot of the same ailments all little subcultures do, and kinky people are no less likely to be douchey, so it can become a pressure cooker ripe for people abusing it. It’s not BDSM itself, it’s the way those little groups tend to work.

kittehserf
7 years ago

LOL Falconer, that Hark, a Vagrant always makes me laugh!

kittehserf
7 years ago

Yeah, I have a problem with people saying practicing BDSM makes them “englightened.”

It’s like that shit about vanilla = boring/lesser taken to the Nth degree.

Though I agree, englightened is a good word. 🙂

dariancase
7 years ago

Reblogged this on dariancase.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: CassandraSays

Oh my god. I finally got around to seeing ‘Cockrub Warriors on Mars,’ and it was so amazing that I had to read parts aloud to my friend on the phone, in my best WWII newscaster voice. It’s so short, I think I might have to MST it.

leftwingfox
7 years ago

Watch Stephen Fry, on QI, I find myself englightened.

pecunium
7 years ago

I often find myself frustrated (same with jeopardy), because they are often wrong. Allan makes up for much.

CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1)

David Futrelle,

You if I thought K66Sh was a reasonable person I would also point out to him that there’s an entire group of Feminists who call themselves “sex positive feminists” and they would never support a porn ban. Also I doubt that even Gal Dines would support women being forced to ware Burqas. Not to mention the fact that any far right Muslim who actually supported forcing women to ware Burqas probably wouldn’t be too fond of feminism either. Also lets not ignore the fact that there are plenty of Muslim women who don’t cover themselves very much.

I think another commenter here, Lady Mondegreen, said it best, “Seriously, that’s stupid even by MRA standards. Which makes it weapons-grade stupid.”

CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1)

David Futrelle,

Probably would have been better if I had been a bit more specific and said “choose not ware the burga or the hijab instead” in my last comment.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

I don’t follow where that change should be made, in part because burqas and hijabs are very, very different.

M Dubz
M Dubz
7 years ago

@LBT- Wait, Broken Toys WHAT?!?!?!?!? (rages) see, it’s bullshit like this that makes me wary of turning BDSM from a fun activity to do with dates to a hobby. Do not want assholes like that ruining my sexytimes for me.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
7 years ago

@ M Dubz

Lots of feminist friends. Lots of my brilliant feminist classmates were women who veiled.

Muslim feminists? That’s unpossible!

@dustydeste

they could be problematic in helping criminals hide so they won’t be identified/found, which is why face-concealing masks are banned in a lot of places (in the States, at least, to my knowledge). But that doesn’t stop people from wearing masks to commit crimes, and besides, what are we going to do next, ban face bandages for people who’ve hurt their faces?

More importantly, at least in the US: if you’re going to ban everyone from doing something because some people might do it to commit a crime, you will eventually have to explain why you still allow people to own guns even though they make armed robberies easier.