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Men’s Rights hate site A Voice for Men finds a woman to blame for Trayvon Martin’s death

Rachel Jeantel, Men's Rights scapegoat
Rachel Jeantel, Men’s Rights scapegoat

Well, it took them a little while, but the folks at Men’s Rights hate site A Voice for Men have finally figured out an angle on the Trayvon Martin case. According to regular AVFM contributor August Løvenskiolds, the whole thing can be blamed on a woman — specifically, Rachel Jeantel, the friend of Trayvon Martin who was on the phone with him just before he was killed.

According to Løvenskiolds, who seems to know more about what happened that night than it is in fact possible for him to know,

During a post-trial interview with Piers Morgan on CNN, Rachel Jeantel, the reluctant phone witness who was talking to Martin just before Martin assaulted Zimmerman, finally revealed that she had warned Martin that Zimmerman might be gay, or even, a gay rapist preparing to approach Martin.

This isn’t news; Jeantel said in her testimony that she told Martin she was afraid the man following him might be a rapist. But Løvenskiolds moves quickly from “sworn testim0ny” to “making shit up.”

Martin freaked out over the idea that Zimmerman might have sexual designs on him or his family, and this seems to have precipitated the attack on Zimmerman – which, of course, would make the attack a violation of Zimmerman’s human rights as a (purportedly) gay man, and make Jeantel the proxy instigator of the attack.

Yes, that’s right, the whole thing was “violence by proxy” instigated by an evil homophobic woman.

Would you like some armchair psychoanalysis to go with your unfounded speculation?

So, Trayvon Martin was killed in the act of gay-bashing (in Jeantel’s and his own minds, anyway). The fury of Martin’s sudden turnabout attack is now explicable (he had been avoiding being followed up to the point of the introduction of the gay rapist idea) and it indicates the degree of Martin’s revulsion that he went from flight to fight mode in so short a time.

And this of course makes it all All About The Menz Rights.

The men’s human rights issues related to a woman (Jeantel) being held blameless for using gay/rape threats to precipitate man-on-man violence ought to be obvious.

It’s always a woman’s fault, isn’t it?

Elsewhere in the post, Løvenskiolds seriously suggests that when a police dispatcher told Zimmerman that “we don’t need you” to follow Martin, that was Super Seekret Man Code for “we actually DO need you to follow him.” No, really.

Such negative suggestions are as clear to savvy men as this: “Honey, you don’t need to buy me roses for Valentine’s Day” – meaning, of course, “if you know what is good for you, I’d better get flowers AND chocolate AND jewelry AND a nice dinner AND…”

The fact that the dispatcher further expected Zimmerman to meet with officers – drafting Zimmerman into the militia, as it were – made it clear to Zimmerman that his continued pursuit of Martin was expected by the police as well.

The societal expectation of militia service by all able-bodied adult males is certainly a men’s human rights issue and an indication of inequality between the genders that needs to be redressed.

MRAs may not be good at much, but they’ve got mental gymnastics down to a science.

EDIT: I added a graf after the first quote from Løvenskiolds clarifying that Jeantel says she did in fact tell Martin that she thought Zimmerman might be a rapist.

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kittehserf
8 years ago

@Pear_tree:

It feels like these people are saying, “I will follow someone if I want to, and there is nothing you can do about it. You can’t fight back, you can’t run away and you can’t go the law”.

They are, of course. The racism’s a side-order with their main: being able to stalk, harrass and rape women and have no questions asked.

kittehserf
8 years ago

“Men are shirking there God-given responsibility to marry and bear children” is an argument I hear feminists make all the time. Except not once, ever.

Hell, I’d make that argument if cis men could get pregnant. Especially anti-choicers and MRAs (not that I’d wish any child to cop them as parents). 😉

kittehserf
8 years ago

Oh gods, yeah, right, a shop clerk is SO likely to rant to another customer like that.

Yeah, cool story, bro.

I didn’t bother reading it all, it was so crass, but I like the bit about how Shirtless Hairy Guy was such a nice human being – read “writer was drooling over him in his little fantasy”.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Oops, sorry. For future warning, that entire site is NSFW due to either giant illustrated cock warriors or porn randomly interrspersed with the rants.

kittehserf
8 years ago

They really are obsessed with male stereotypes, aren’t they? Fighting and sex as pretty much interchangeable, and rampant misogyny. Is that where the screaming heebiejeebies about anal sex come from? Being penetrated = being female? (NB I’m not suggesting anyone should want to have anal sex; I’m just wondering if it’s only personal preferences and the “sick of being told gay= love anal sex” or more loaded than that.)

AK
AK
8 years ago

There’s a Chicago former cop who just got 40 years on the charge of We Shot You 28 Times And You Didn’t Die, We Erased Evidence And The First Jury Mostly Acquitted You But Got Hung Up On attempted murder. The cops aren’t always right.

Oh man, that case. Isn’t that the one where the first jury found that he *didn’t* fire his weapon, yet that wasn’t allowed into the second trial and he was found guilty of attempted murder? So basically, the first jury found that he was not guilty on the weapons charges, and then the second jury found him guilty of attempted murder.

thebewilderness
8 years ago

Health laws are misandry? Srsly?

Nova
Nova
8 years ago

From what I’ve heard in the news, he is half Hispanic and half white. So, close enough, I guess.

It could just be my perspective on things, but if someone isn’t bothering me, I leave them to their business. If someone is directly bothering me or threatening me, I deal with it if I can, run or call someone to help me. People who go looking for trouble…I don’t get it.

Picking a fight and then pulling a gun when you’re losing… I don’t get that either.

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Well, health and safety is a made up department to give some make-work.

Kitteh — one sec, LBT snarled the anal sex thing.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: CassandraSays

OMG I REMEMBER THE COCKRUB WARRIORS. I am pleased to have shared the eye-searing AGONY of those people. (Though the g0ys still won for sheer purpleness of prose for me. I had to MST them again, for my brain.)

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

*snarked, and here it is — http://baaing-tree.livejournal.com/519201.html

In short, no, they don’t just not like it. That’d be fine, they have long rants on, among other things, how it’s dirty and disease spreading.

On that note, they do know that herpes is spread by skin to skin contact so their “hot to frot” doesn’t mean absolutely no STDs ever?

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

Also, still don’t have much brain for the sheer awfulness of what happened to Trayvon Martin, so I will say, as a guy and a rape survivor, that if I was a teenager and getting followed by some creeper in a car… YEAH NO SHIT I’D BE ALARMED. (That actually DID happen to us one time, when we were driving in a golf cart with a girl related to our grandmother’s friend. It was funny at the time, but only because we could quickly and easily bolt back to her grandfather’s house and we could hide behind the couch giggling nervously.)

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Lol, hi LBT, ninja’ed while linking to that MST 🙂

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Come join me in snarking that Red Pill “book” — http://manboobz.forummotion.com/t1159-anyone-want-to-mst-the-red-pill

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Argenti and Kittehs

Oh man, the g0ys seem to seriously believe that buttsex destroyed the Roman Empire, while pederasty was a-OK. (See, this is why I can’t stay away from MSTing their shit.) The guy who does the g0ys site also seems to have weird things about cleanliness, since he recommends adding peroxide to your baths sometimes.

And no, frot is not a get-out-of-STDs free card. The guys also don’t seem to understand the concept of condoms. I don’t know what happened, they got bitten by a rabid asshole one day and never got over it.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Argenti

Okay, I don’t know what the deal is, but my email suddenly has stopped working. So regarding 50 Shades: I would highly recommend NOT reading the rest, because it gets even worse. That said, if you are truly set and determined, I still got the PDF if you’re that big a masochist.

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Well, considering I keep screaming at it that I’m a masochist and he’s an asshole…yes, yes I am. Maybe. Enough to try it if I don’t have to even buy the damned book (was going to hit up the local used book store, no way would I buy that new!)

Let me know when your email starts working? Or put it on google docs and send me that link? (PM is fine if you want to do that)

Socialkenny
8 years ago

It’s been the case since the beginning of time. I’m no religion guy (I’m anti-religion), but those who subscribe to the Bible, this was what happened with Adam and Eve: the woman bringing the man down or causing conflict/misunderstand with other men :Adam and the so-called God.

Cleopatra, Mark Anthony and Caesar.

Now this with the Jeantel chic!? When will it stop!? As a black man, I have no sympathy for this shit as far as woman getting men killed over BS. But I wonder if she knew of Zimmer personal for her to make those declarations.

[unrelated PUA video delated by DF]

Socialkenny the Pickup Artist

P.S. But it makes things clearer now as to why the kid would’ve attacked Zimmer, even though I believe Zim relinquish that by pursuing the kid.

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Please ditch the unrelated videos, particularly PUA ones. Thank you.

That aside, yep, blame the woman seems to be about as old as written records. (Lol, sort of, go Isis!)

LBT — I’m recalling M.D.’s thoughts on 50 Shades of Fucked Up and things that don’t go “down there” nor near “my sex” (seriously? “My sex” they’re called penis and vagina, please learn and use these words XD )

Peroxide does NOT go there! Mouth wash sure, but not the sensitive bits! *squirms*

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: SocialKenny

Actually, there are two versions of the Garden of Eden story, and one has no snake whatsoever. The first version, God makes man and woman together and then just puts them on the world and that’s that. No snake, no garden.

And OMG, seriously? You’re pulling in Cleopatra, Mark Antony, and Caesar? Do you actually KNOW that history? A lot of it is myth and legend built up over pop culture for decades. Cleopatra ACTUALLY was desperately trying to keep her empire out of the hands of the Romans, and that she managed as long as she did speaks to her political astuteness. I mean, she was an exile IN HER OWN KINGDOM and managed to sneak into her brother’s guarded property and PERSUADE Caesar to back her, instead of her brother, when Caesar had already DECIDED on backing her brother. She was a great politician, and had a lot more to her than evil woman. Jesus, man, really?

Also, fuck you. George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin. Not the phone call. ZIMMERMAN held the gun, ZIMMERMAN disobeyed the cops, ZIMMERMAN pulled the trigger. He is fully responsible, because HE DID IT.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Do we need a Kenny Challenge, in which he has to post a comment with no unnecessary PUA links?

@ Kittehs

Yeah, they’ve wrapped it up in a lot of panic about STDs but basically their issue is that being penetrated is “unmanly”.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: CassandraSays

Yup, you got it. And it’s absurd. Brief TMI, but it took me years, literally YEARS of hard emotional and psychological work to be able to have sex that way. I have damn well EARNED the pride in being able to do naughty things with butts, and ain’t nobody and I mean NOBODY going to make me feel bad about it.

Socialkenny
8 years ago

@LBT

Of course the snake part is a myth. Snakes don’t talk, nor do they have a larynx/voice box. What the Bible meant was that this “man” (the devil) was like a snake: slick, sly, sneaky, etc. But the devil was a man just like you and I; walking and talking. But ppl take it so literal, they think it’s a literal snake.

Whether the Cleopatra and M. Anthony thing was a myth or not; it still illustrates how woman have been behind the downfall of important men throughout history: mythical or not. And to be clearer, Caesar (I believe) was so drunk on Cleopatra that he allowed his empire to fall just because of this 1 hot ass: hot-black ass might I add 🙂

And I’m not defending Zimmer.

Socialkenny
8 years ago

@Cassandra- Sarcasm huh ;)?

AK
AK
8 years ago

And to be clearer, Caesar (I believe) was so drunk on Cleopatra that he allowed his empire to fall just because of this 1 hot ass: hot-black ass might I add

That sounds like Caesar’s problem, not Cleopatra’s. Are you suggesting that men are too impulsive and easily controlled to hold positions of power?

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: SocialKenny

it still illustrates how woman have been behind the downfall of important men throughout history: mythical or not.

Gee, I wonder who on earth had a vested interest in blaming their failings on women? Rome was a seething hotbed of intrigue and fighting for power, and Caesar was known for getting in over his head with the men and women of his affections.

If you’re going to argue stupid shit like this, I can equally argue that men have been behind the downfall of important women throughout history. It was the ROMANS who took away Cleopatra’s empire, after all.

And to be clearer, Caesar (I believe) was so drunk on Cleopatra that he allowed his empire to fall just because of this 1 hot ass: hot-black ass might I add

Oh dear. You really don’t know your history, do you? Cleopatra was a Ptolemy. They were lily-white. It’s fairly likely she had NO actual Egyptian ancestry at all, and it was actually a historical big deal that she could even SPEAK Egyptian.

You’re embarrassing me with your complete failed understanding of history. Please go.

Socialkenny
8 years ago

@AK – I hear you but she facilitated that and was scheming like trying to create a rift between Caesar and his army. But I don’t wanna turn this into a battle of history and lead this off topic.

kittehserf
8 years ago

Ermagerd, Rogan, Mac, Sneak, that MST was brilliant!

Argenti, thanks for the link, I’ve been laughing out loud and wanting to copy half of it to quote!

Those g0ys … unflippin’believeable. They’re like the gay totally masculine dudebro beddable-buddy-with-extra-dashes version of the MRM. They definitely went to the same writing school.

Socialkenny
8 years ago

@LBT- She was of lighter complexion because of that admixture or races, but nevertheless, according to the way Americans do it (assuming you live in America), once you have any sort of black in you; you’re classified as black and now white. So either way, it is what it is. But you’re right; she wasn’t pure black, but the blackness in her gave her that exotic appeal which they weren’t used to seeing in Rome. Anyway, different story.

Socialkenny
8 years ago

@LBT – And don’t try schooling me on history, race, the Bible nor religion, because I’ll drown you…metaphorically.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: SocialKenny

I hear you but she facilitated that and was scheming like trying to create a rift between Caesar and his army.

Uh, actually, she needed Caesar’s army as support so she could stay in power and keep her younger brother from trying to exile her again. Seriously, man, you’re batting zero here.

But I don’t wanna turn this into a battle of history and lead this off topic.

Dude, too late. You’ve already posted off-topic shit, and you’ve already lost the battle of history. You’re wrong. You don’t know shit. Now go.

RE: Kittehs

*bows* Thank you, thank you. And yes, they’re totally dudebros who can’t bear the fact that getting their dicks hard with their ‘stud-buddies’ might force them to question their masculinity. And you weren’t even there for the whole ‘jazillion amorous mating sperm’ thing.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: SocialKenny

And don’t try schooling me on history, race, the Bible nor religion, because I’ll drown you…metaphorically.

*snort* I’m shaking in my boots.

kittehserf
8 years ago

Whether the Cleopatra and M. Anthony thing was a myth or not; it still illustrates how woman have been behind the downfall of important men throughout history: mythical or not.

She was Queen of Egypt, so don’t pull the shit about her “pulling down important men”. She was a political leader herself, of a kingdom far older and more prestigious than Rome; also drop the BS about her being black. She was Greek; Ptolemy I was Macedonian, one of Alexander’s generals, and as LBT said, Cleopatra probably had little or no Egyptian, let alone Nubian or any other African ancestry except in the sense that all humans do.

And keep your fucking gross PUA videos out of here.

sarahlizhousespouse
8 years ago

Is socialkenny stupid or a poe?

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

Also, hey guys, I’m throwing another writeathon soon. Do you think it’d be better for me to try and resurrect the forum, post about writeathons there? I’d like to let people know, because I know some Boobzers prompt and sponsor, but I don’t want to spam the site either. What do y’all think?

kittehserf
8 years ago

Rogan, I’m so glad you love Mac’s kidneys. That is twue love!

kittehserf
8 years ago

@sarahlizhousespouse – I’d go for stupid at this point.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: Kittehs

His kidneys are the best.

kittehserf
8 years ago

Rogan – I’m kinda fond of Louis’s liver, myself. 😉

Socialkenny
8 years ago

@David- The video was inserted inadvertently as I meant to put the link in as my url as I usually do. Simply remove the video link. It was inadvertent.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

Alas, poor Cleopatra. All she wanted was to keep her empire independent, and instead she’s painted in history as Slutty McSkankerton.

I swear, the more I hear from the manosphere, the less I can respect what people claim masculinity is. It’s the toughest, strongest thing on earth–but breaks at the slightest appearance of a woman. It’s rational and logical in all situations… until a woman appears.

Seriously, it makes the Green Lanterns’ weakness to the color yellow looks reasonable..

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

I retract my original agreement, I mistaken thought he was saying that women have been unfairly blamed, not that women are to blame.

In completely random things, does anyone have any advice how to keep the inside of my 2g plugs dry in this humidity. Even just a tiny bit of saliva to get them back in is ending up indefinitely wet, and ew. I’d use alcohol to get them in to avoid that, but they’re silicon and specifically say not to do that.

So uh…lube that’ll dry in relatively contained humidity and not damage silicone, ideas?

Nova
Nova
8 years ago

Yeah, when men fight eachother its ALWAYS because of women. Even if there isn’t a single woman present, a woman is always to blame because, somewhere, at some point in time, those men encountered a woman and women cause the downfall of all men, so it’s her fault.

And, as I’ve witnessed more than my fair share of fights (fighting to settle differences is very common where I’m from,) I’ve screwed over and brought down a ton of men. Because, in some way, they had to be fighting because of me and the other women present. Even when they had a completely unrelated issue to fight over.

Just doing my part for the hive vagina.

Nova
Nova
8 years ago

@Argenti: Vinegar should work nicely.

LBT
LBT
8 years ago

RE: auggziliary

I know, right! I’m starting to wonder why the hell I ever WANTED to be masculine, as a wee gay man. I swear to god, there’s no substance more frail, whiny, and overrated.

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

auggziliary — it’s much easier to keep those plugs dry! Seeing how they aren’t always // nearly always keeping skin in contact with their surface.

Nova — I will have to try that, thank you!

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Well, I smell like cabbage, but I think that got them cleaned out and I got the plugs back in easy enough. And smelling like cabbage is certainly better than smelling like ear gunk! Thanks Nova!

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
8 years ago

And to be clearer, Caesar (I believe) was so drunk on Cleopatra that he allowed his empire to fall

vs

Gaius Julius Caesar was a Roman general, statesman, Consul and notable author of Latin prose. He played a critical role in the events that led to the demise of the Roman Republic and the rise of the Roman Empire. Wikipedia

So wow. Social Kenny really (metaphorically) drowned us with his historical brilliance all right. Man, that Cleopatra sure did bring about an END to the Roman Empire, hey?