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So the Man Boobz survey results are in, and Argenti Aertheri, who ran the survey, has taken the time and effort to make an impressive set of interactive charts to display the data in all of its gory details. You can find that chart below — thanks again, Argenti! — but I thought I’d highlight a few of the results first.

Let’s start with the white elephant in the room. I know I’ve made some somewhat rude remarks in the past about the high percentage of white people in the Men’s Rights subreddit.

Well, it turns out that the Man Boobz readership is even whiter than that. Yep. Using the same somewhat limited set of choices used by the dude who did the Men’s Rights subreddit survey, the MB survey found that the readership of this blog is nearly 92% white, and less than 2% each Asian, Hispanic and Black, with the remainder answering “Other.”

There is also a more complicated breakdown of ethnicities, based on a more nuanced set of questions, that I’m not even going to try to summarize; you can look through the charts yourself.

But, basically, yeah, this blog’s readership, like me, is pretty darn white. I  take these results as an indication that I need to do a better job dealing with issues of race and racism. While this blog is primarily about misogyny, there is plenty of racism in the manosphere — from the white-supremacism-lite of Heartiste to the fetishization of Asian women as submissive — and it’s worth pointing this out on a more regular basis, as well as addressing some of the more subtle ways misogyny intersects with other forms of oppression. As well as the ways in which the standard (non) issues of the Men’s Rights movement can actually serve to obscure the very real issues faced by men of color. (See yesterday’s post for a perfect example of that.)

So what are some of the other notable results?

You’re all younger than me. Well, not literally ALL of you. In fact, there are a whole 4% of you older than me.

But the fact is that if you’re reading this, the chances are really, really, really good that you’re in your twenties or early thirties. Still, I feel fairly confident in saying that eventually you will be as old as I am now.

Also, it’s pretty likely that you’re a lady. Most of the readers of the blog — 59% — are cis women, with 30% cis men. The remaining 11 percent are made up of trans* women (2.2%), trans* men (0.9%), intersex (o.2%), “non-binary” (5.2%) and “other” (2.5%).

See the interactive charts below for a much more detailed breakdown of the data on gender and sexuality.

We’re a bunch of pinkos. More Man Boobzers identified themselves with Democratic Socialism than with any other political label. The second and third place winners in this category? “Other US Liberalism” and “Social Democratism.”

The sun never sets on the Man Boobz empire. Predictably, most Man Boobz readers — roughly 58% —  live in the United States. And there are lots of Man Boobzers in other English-speaking countries around the world, particularly the UK, Canada, and Australia.

But Man Boobz attracts readers in a lot of places where English speakers are in a minority. I was a little surprised to find that there are twice as many Boobzers in Germany, for example, than in New Zealand, and that there are nearly as many in Iceland as in Ireland. There are readers in countries ranging from Argentina to El Salvador, from Jordan to Japan.

There are all sorts of other intriguing factoids to be found in the survey results, from a rather complicated slicing-and-dicing of religious beliefs to answers to the critical question: how many of you are actually me?

If you don’t have Flash, go here to see the charts in all their glory.  See here for the footnotes and survey questions and raw data.

If you’re not a regular commenter here, this will help you to make sense of some of the silly in-jokes at the end of the survey.

One last note: The survey doesn’t tell us what percentage of Man Boobz readers consider themselves feminists or, ick, Men’s Rightsers. I’m going to do a quick followup survey on that in an upcoming post.

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Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Oh, yeah idk then. It’s all JS so it should work fine other than being FUCKING MASSIVE.

Kate — first, what’s your software spitting out for an error?

Second!

Does the flash version work? How about the test link? Try it again after the test link.

anadiomene122
anadiomene122
8 years ago

Awesomely done survey (it is making my browser go screwy, though! Dunno why). Not surprised about the whiteness of the readership — maybe guest blogging from underrepresented minorities should be encouraged? I learn best when I don’t shout into an echo chamber.

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

You using IE? It works in chrome, Firefox and safari on Mac, and the first two use the same rendering cross-browser. Can’t test IE and frankly? I refuse to support it. Like, when I have a blog, which is admittedly rare, I do a browser test and give IE users a splash page to go download a real browser.

Yes, I’m bigoted against IE.

Kittehserf
Kittehserf
8 years ago

I can’t abide IE either (yeah I know you’re not asking me, I’m just chiming in). It is so. fucking. slow. Give me Firefox any day. (My sister, low-tech person, has no idea what a web browser IS, so asking if she’d prefer Firefox is not much help.)

I’m gonna go do some knitting, I’ve used enough of her allowance today!

CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1)

David Futrelle

I liked that cute penguin with its free hugs. Free penguin love for everyone LOL!

Magpie
8 years ago

Brilliantly done Argenti! and thankyou for the free hug penguin 🙂

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Speaking of the penguin, I figured it out. She’s a whore because she’s just giving it away!

Because remember now, women who “give it up” too easy are whores. Women who want dinner or such paid for first, whether they demand Tim just expect it, or go along when our witless MRA gets out his wallet, are also whores. Women who do sex work are whores. Women “saving themselves” for marriage are withholding the sexytimes from men and thus no better than whores…

Basically, if you’re possessed of a feminine identity, you’re a whore.

——

I have no idea if that penguin is a female or not, and picked that image because it’s just so danged adorkable. Fuzzy penguin!

lowquacks
lowquacks
8 years ago

Non-crested penguins aren’t terribly sexually dimorphic, so we’ll probs never know.

anadiomene122
anadiomene122
8 years ago

Well I was using Firefox on Windows 7, then when that froze up I switched to Ubuntu with Firefox… didn’t totally crash but it seemed to eat a couple of my posts…

Celeste Deuel
8 years ago

@Argenti: Thank you! I prefer feminine pronouns. I’m always on guard when I go to a feminist site because it feels like you can never be sure if it’s trans friendly or not until they explicitly say so. I was generally leery of feminist sites or even referring to myself as a feminist until that whole Julie Burchill/Suzanne Moore situation went down and a lot of feminist sites started calling them out and explicitly stating how wrong transphobia is.

Kittehserf
Kittehserf
8 years ago

I’ve found a search engine called Delta comes up on Firefox here and what does it have as its decoration?

WHORES! PENGUIN WHORES!

Kittehserf
Kittehserf
8 years ago

Proof!

I’m now reading the “additional plugins are required to display all the media on this page” message as “additional penguins are required.”

MISANDRY!

Alice
Alice
8 years ago

@Celeste

I had to google “Julie Burchill/Suzanne Moore.” What a fucking hateful bigoted mess. Some people just need to keep their mouths shut.

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“whether they demand Tim just expect it”

“…demand it or just…”

Celeste Deuel — we try! And feel free to yell at us if we fuck up, the vast majority of the people around here are totally willing to think it over and go “you’re right, I fucked up, and I’m sorry” We try to let the trolls do all the assholery, it’s like having shining examples of fucking up makes the rest of us want to be better.

I adore you all btw 🙂

opium4themasses
opium4themasses
8 years ago

Excellent job, Argenti!

Aerinea
Aerinea
8 years ago

These results are awesome to see.

And I’m one of the people who claimed to have been raised with Discordianism and the Church of the Sub Genius. My parents were into them like many of us are into Pastafarianism. I was raised with both as just part of the background of my childhood. I’m still into Discordianism, but J.R. “Bob” Dobbs has fallen to the wayside for me.

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Ok, so that does make sense, I was wondering how one could be raised with a parody religion 🙂 (ok, mostly I was wondering how someone could be raised believing in Banjo the Clown, given that OoTS is “only” 10~ but I guess it makes sense)

Tangentially, oh you stupid fucking androgynous elf! D&D deal with the devil is still fucking stupid.

Also, three click beetles, a June bug, and an inch long OH MY GODS GET OFF OF ME!

Deoridhe
8 years ago

This is completely amazing – you rule Argenti.

Kittehserf
Kittehserf
8 years ago

I lol’d at “they demand Tim” – spellcheck being an idiot does get funny. Who is Tim, and why are we demanding he just expect to pay for dinner? Is Tim an improved substitute for Tom (not difficult, of course). Is Tim a male penguin? Enquiring minds wish to know.

crmsnfrn
8 years ago

A little (a lot!) late to the party, but Argenti, amazing job. Just, wow.

I’m one of the lurkers from Germany, by the way. Relocated from the US for teh husband’s job a few months ago. I’m also one of those few stay-at-home parents. By that I of course mean I sit on the couch all day eating bonbons.

Yellaine
Yellaine
8 years ago

I forgot to say it, but Argenti, congrats and thanks for your work!

realhistoryww.com

“”I take these results as an indication that I need to do a better job dealing with issues of race and racism.””
Its like you think of blacks as something you have to have more then the enemy to be the better feminist.. instead of.. JUST DOING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT BLACKS! But No, its just competition for you albino pinkers.. You always have olden timely pictures of white women all the time as representation of all women.

i’m not sure how “wanting to be a better feminist” can be a bad thing. For me it’s akin to “being a better person” or “being better at basic human decency”. Personally, when I try to be a better feminist, it means either reflecting about my own internalized misogyny or understanding better intersectionality.
If by the “enemy” you mean the manosphere, no it’s not a competition. They fail at basic human decency (see the archives of this blog) in so many different way that the comparison is absurd. they make most assholes I know in the flesh look like nice people. The point is not to have trophy PoC, or trophy trans* people, but to make them feel welcomed, and heard, and to give them the space they deserve in the conversation.
What I read from David is “This is not a good thing, I must do better”. And your answer is “you should have done better in the first place” ?
Which is true, off course, but not really helpful unless you have a time machine…

Yellaine
Yellaine
8 years ago

blockquote fail. It make sense, it’s been a while since I sacrificed to the bq monster.

It’s <blockquote>QUOTE</blockquote>, right?

Test:

THISISAQUOTE

Kittehserf
Kittehserf
8 years ago

I smell a troll with that “albino pinkers” comment. So, someone being aware they could do better isn’t good enough, one has to be perfect, springing forth like Athena, rather than becoming aware they need to improve in an area?

Radical Parrot
8 years ago

Exactly, Kittehserf. Black-and-white thinking at its finest again. Either you’ve never done anything that requires introspection, or you’re no good.

I see it as something akin to hero worship (and fundamentalism, incidentally); a person (or a belief system) must be accepted fully, without question, as the ultimate source of all good and pure, or they’re not worth bothering with. This is why I have a problem with people seeing real-life persons as heroes, since heroes tend to be ridiculously overidealized. When the heroes occasionally are inconsiderate, or make a moral misstep, or take something for granted when they shouldn’t, or do anything that imperfect humans tend to do, one of two things may happen: 1) Justification. Excuses must be made. This situation is not the same as when clearly “evil” people do it. The hero had zir reasons. The thing ze did was actually not that bad, etc. 2) Dismissal. OMG! Ze is actually evil! Unfollow immediately!

The option that the hero is fallible just like the rest of us is not as often accepted, since it would force us to see the world in more than black and white terms. Maybe heroes aren’t actually perfect, or if the definition of “the hero” includes infallibility and being a shining beacon of good, then maybe heroes don’t really exist. Even though being willing to question one’s own prejudices and privilege, and to change one’s behavior accordingly, is, in my opinion, one of the most important qualities a hero should have. Being absolutely certain that what you do is just and right should realistically be one of the qualities of the villain in the narrative.

Incidentally, the MRM line of thinking seems to be that ”if mistakes are made, never own up to them, or you’ll seem weak.” As if admitting that you could make some improvements is worse than the mistakes themselves.

Oh, and great work, Argenti. Of course, I understand absolutely nothing about coding, so take it for what it’s worth. Too bad I missed the survey, not that I would’ve made that much of a difference.

Seems our little androgynous elf friend jin OOTS did the One More Day, and, well, yeah.

Radical Parrot
8 years ago

Wow, that’s long.

TL;DR: Expecting infallibility from a real, existing person is stupid.

dariancase
8 years ago

Reblogged this on dariancase.

Malitia
Malitia
8 years ago

Wow. I’m late. (and the infogr.am website doesn’t… well… display the graphs for me. Oooooold computer, I’m used to it.) But this still looks like a lot of work. Also: FREE HUG PENGUIN! ❤.❤

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
8 years ago

I’m not surprised there are other UUs, but apparently eight other people ticked the Hellenic Recon box? Even allowing for the people who ticked everything, that’s still half a dozen of y’all. *waves*

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
8 years ago

More thoughts:

Who let all these heteros in here? I seriously thought we were mostly queer.

@Argenti

And we had a couple CoS people

Church of Satan?

(I’m not being flippant; Satanism is a legit religion)

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

No, that was listed as Satanism. I meant Church of Scientology.

BlackBloc (@XBlackBlocX)

CoS could also stand for Church of Scientology. I don’t remember if the survey was that fine-grained as to differentiate between different Satanists (Church of Satan vs Temple of Set vs idiosyncratic self-enlightnement ;)).

CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1)

@Argenti Aertheri,

You wrote,
——————————————————————————————————————–
Speaking of the penguin, I figured it out. She’s a whore because she’s just giving it away!

Because remember now, women who “give it up” too easy are whores. Women who want dinner or such paid for first, whether they demand Tim just expect it, or go along when our witless MRA gets out his wallet, are also whores. Women who do sex work are whores. Women “saving themselves” for marriage are withholding the sexytimes from men and thus no better than whores…

Basically, if you’re possessed of a feminine identity, you’re a whore.

——————————————————————————————————————–

That Penguin is easy! LOL!

SittieKitty
8 years ago

I adore you all btw 🙂

^^^^^^!!!!!

Falconer
8 years ago

I adore you all btw 🙂

✿◕ ‿ ◕✿

Tangentially, oh you stupid fucking androgynous elf! D&D deal with the devil is still fucking stupid.

… That’s some tangent.

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Falconer — Banjo the Clown –> Order of the Stick –> V is being a fool

Really, not that much of a tangent 🙂

theseventhguest
theseventhguest
8 years ago

Argenti Aetheri —
Beautiful work. Thank you so much.

augochlorella
augochlorella
8 years ago

So long as we’re talking about PoC, I’ll just drop this here.

cloudiah
8 years ago

@augochlorella, So UVA is crowdsourcing funding for scientific research? Interesting approach. That seems like a good project to fund.

Falconer
8 years ago

Falconer — Banjo the Clown –> Order of the Stick –> V is being a fool

Sorry, failed to follow you through the chain of associations.

I seriously did the same thing to people all the time when I was younger. I’ve been working on laying out my chain of thought more clearly for years now.

Viscaria
Viscaria
8 years ago

Great job Argenti, thank you for pulling this all together! Also I would like to thank the whore penguin for the much-needed hug.

Kittehserf
Kittehserf
8 years ago

I was right, Falconer IS Cary Grant.

toujoursgai
8 years ago

I’m afraid I don’t have much to contribute to the conversation, just wanted to thank Argenti Aetheri for putting this all together. And introduce myself as one of the mentally ill genderqueers who feels accepted here. 🙂 I haven’t found too many sites where stigmatizing the mentally ill is so reliably called out. Always refreshing.

ashley
ashley
8 years ago

[blockquote]”Its like you think of blacks as something you have to have more then the enemy to be the better feminist.. instead of.. JUST DOING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT BLACKS! But No, its just competition for you albino pinkers.” [/blockquote]

um, i think what the author meant by his statement actually, was that he was under the impression he was being inclusive, but seeing the survey results made him aware that he was not, and so now he wants to change things because he wanted to be inclusive – for its own sake – all along…

ashley
ashley
8 years ago

ugh, blockquote failure.

Ally S
8 years ago

Its like you think of blacks as something you have to have more then the enemy to be the better feminist.. instead of.. JUST DOING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT BLACKS! But No, its just competition for you albino pinkers.. You always have olden timely pictures of white women all the time as representation of all women.

He didn’t say anything about being a better feminist. In fact, he specifically said that it’s an indication that he needs to be better when it comes to race and racism.

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Falconer — “I’ve been working on laying out my chain of thought more clearly for years now.” — only skippy one step is an improvement for me XD

toujoursgai — “And introduce myself as one of the mentally ill genderqueers…” High five! *is also a mentally ill genderqueer*

Ashley — it’s <blockquote> not [blockquote]

And yeah, I’m not David (well, other than being David since we’re all David…) but I’m guessing you hit the nail on the head there

toujoursgai & Ashley — You both get Welcome Packages? They’re up in the OP if not, the last link.

And thanks everyone, glad you all like it 🙂

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Also, there’s a reason I spent far too long tracking down racial breakdowns for all the countries we got responses to — I wanted to compare our data to the population at large not the r/mr results. But any sort of “are we whiter than you’d expect given where we are” type question requires limited categories.

And if I never try and figure out what percent of Spanish people consider themselves non-white again (just as an example) it will be far too soon.

Like, I’d have expected the UK to be fairly diverse, given the amount of press immigrants get, but nope, y’all are very white up there.

Kittehserf
Kittehserf
8 years ago

Welcome, toujoursgai (love your nym, no surprise)!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Like, I’d have expected the UK to be fairly diverse, given the amount of press immigrants get, but nope, y’all are very white up there.

Depends where, exactly. Small Scottish fishing village? Whiter than Casper. London? Not so much.

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

London? Not so much.

Ditto Manchester, Croyden, I think Birmingham as well