Oh, Heartiste, sometimes I can’t help but wonder if you’ve been trolling us all along. I mean, what kind of master pickup guru is this squicked out by vaginas?
Eating a girl out anytime during the first few weeks of dating is beta. When you eat a girl out, you telegraph your incredible horniness for her. Men normally do not want to go down on women and bury their mouths in that fetid, humid mess unless they find her so overwhelmingly hot that they can’t help themselves.
“Fetid, humid mess?” Seriously, dude, if you hate vaginas so much, why do you devote your entire life to trying to gain access to as many of them as possible?
Women instinctively know this, so they correctly gauge that a man who goes down on them on the first date must feel he’s with one of the best he’s ever had. This, in turn, will sour a woman’s attraction for a man, since no woman in the history of the universe has ever felt raging lust for a man she believed lower than herself in value.
And you know this how? Somehow I doubt that Heartiste and his followers are getting a lot of return engagements from their unfortunate dates.
Cunnilingus later in the relationship is absolved from this rule, because you have already demonstrated your manly ability to use her strictly for the piledriving hole she is.
But isn’t her, er, piledriving hole just as icky as ever? Wouldn’t this still be a beta thing? Does any of this make any kind of sense, even if you buy into Heartiste’s Alpha-Beta claptrap?
If I didn’t already know that Heartiste was a dude in his 40s, I would have assumed he was actually a 15-year-old naif with a chip on his shoulder and a vivid imagination.
Thanks to Wrecksomething on r/againstmensrights for pointing out this Heartiste classic.
o.o Ally S. wtf?
Actually, I am reminded of llamas who did the same thing when I was in Auckland last year. It was pretty hilarious.
I still can’t get over that goat saying “YEEEAAAH” at the end. omg
Ain’t nothin’ wrong with that! I actually had a conversation on, of all places, 4chan about that, and all the guys told me that WAAAY more men then you would think are into fem domme stuff. They’re just too scared to tell anyone about it in fear of being called a “fag.” Probably by “alpha” male douchebags and the women who want them.
There so many intellegent sex educators out there it boggles the mind to wonder why people like Heartiste are seen as some kind of authority. I think, as someone else said up there somewhere, that it isn’t even about sex to them, it’s about having a space for men to bond… which is totally fine, but you don’t have to pretend like you’re actually giving dating advice.
Oh, and I want in on brain bleach videos. This may show up as a link because I don’t know what I would type in…
omg I wrote “intellegent”
Well, it’s not a video, but over on Popehat, here is somebody responding to yet another of Pollock’s lengthy and incomprehensible re-writing of the rules of how to use English:
I am beyond charmed.
@Kittehsurf – I’m guessing the squirting references are about women coming so hard they ejaculate, which some women do (and some don’t, and some do occasionally, etc. because there’s a lot of variety in the body and with sex). These guys sound like they consume a lot of porn, and porn often treats women squirting as the ultimate kind of orgasm since it mimics a male orgasm. I have no doubt MRAs and PUAs assume that the male model of everything is always the best, so they would assume all women can do this and should want to.
Gentle reminder that straight men can have all sorts of fucked up attitudes towards women, sex, and vaginas.
Fortunately, I don’t know a single straight man in my life who thinks like Heartiste.
I am totally stealing this phrase. Just so you know.
@Ally S – the YEAH just made my day after a hard day at work!
Is it wrong that I find guys disliking cunnilingus to be a red flag? i don’t want to get into details on a public forum but – it seems to correlate to being a huge asshole. and i don’t mean guys who want someone to be trimmed/showered/whatever, people who just hate the … rubyfruit jungle.
most men who have sex with women, in my experience and most of my friends’, seem to be all about oral sex. i’m in a big northeastern city hanging out with overly educated people, if that skews the sample…
Rubyfruit Jungle (the book) is pretty radical, especially for its time, and not a terrible read. It needs a trigger warning for incest, though.
@Sittiekittie:
blockquote>Same with oral sex, most people live in their head, with the body being added on. To “incorrectly use” the mouth, so close to the mind, is an aspect of power. Hence, a preference for oral/anal sex for these assholes, and the idea that giving oral sex to a woman lowers your value because you’re somehow giving up power, or something.
I thought it was just because oral sex involves one person pleasuring the other, as opposed to (theoretically) mutually-pleasurable activities like PIV or mutual masturbation or whatever. If you go down on a woman, then she’s getting pleasured and you’re not, and that’s so not Alpha. (I’m aware that there is a psychological pleasure in making your partner feel good, but apparently PUAs don’t see it)
anyone else had a mixed reaction to the netflix new series ‘orange is the new black’? somewhat on topic to this blog in general
emilygoddes, I’d believe that, if it weren’t for the fact that it’s considered “more degrading” for the woman than a handjob, or using any other part of the body. Clearly the mouth has something to do with it beyond just the unequal pleasure. I mean, this is just my own interpretation of that quirk, but I think it stands up pretty solidly with the history of how sex has been traditionally viewed.
He does know you can “top” while giving your partner oral sex, right? You’re not even necessarily literally below the other person let alone figuratively. Besides, isn’t it agreed among reasonable people that whoever can cause the most squirming and goofy-noise-making during sex “wins” it? 😀
I am getting the impression that all his fucks are hate fucks. Which kinda explains why he considers himself a PUA. One in a row is as good as it is likely to get for him.
How to troll 101: post a reasonable enough comment at 2:55 blog time, wait 15~ min, start posting vile shit on the specifically troll free thread.
This lesson brought to you by Marie’s behavior today.
The term “hate fuck” is very disturbing to me. Not only does it sound very rape-y to me, but it also reminds me of the term “revenge fuck,” which is disgusting beyond words.
People’s mileage will vary, obviously, but for me that’s not true at all – I find cunnilingus intensely and almost overwhelmingly pleasurable, not least because it directly stimulates all five of my senses to the absolute maximum in a way that most other sexual activities don’t quite manage. Handily, my various partners over the years have been happy to indulge me.
I want to add something more mature to the discussion here, but I feel like the only thing I really wanted to share with you all is actually fairly reflective of the tone of Heartiste’s original post:
At the time of my reading this article, it had 69 comments.
Heh.
…I’ll…I’ll see myself out.
@Wetherby – I should have been clearer that I was speaking for PUAs, not for reality. But thanks for sharing (and I mean that sincerely) – I’m enjoying all these examples of how PUAs are wrong about everything to do with sex.
Argenti: I thought that comment reeked of bullshit, but wasn’t up to dealing.
Oh yes, I’d MUCH rather bond with the d00dly d00d who is using me strictly for the piledriving hole that I am, than a man who can bring me to exquisite orgasms by performing cunnilingus. <_<
Ok
Did you know that she has started up a new blog after closing and deleting her original one after someone doxxed her? You totally shoulda been at the thread where she and Hannah were discussing and agreeing that all women should submit and obey all men. Good times!
At least generic-misogynist-talking-tough Heartiste formerly Known as Roissy is slightly less repugnant than the batshit-white-supremacist Heartiste formerly Known as Roissy we’re seeing more and more of these days.