Today I’m going to talk about Janet Bloomfield — AKA JudgyBitch — and her bizarre attack on the original Don’t Be That Guy anti-rape posters in Edmonton. But I’m going to take a bit of a detour first, so bear with me.
I recently picked up a copy of Arthur Koestler’s The Case of the Midwife Toad, a nonfiction account of a scientific feud that provided me with some diverting travel reading and put me in the mood to read more of Koestler’s nonfiction.
But doing some rudimentary Googling I made a rather horrifying discovery about Koestler, whom I’d admired since reading his bracing account of breaking with Communism in the classic The God That Failed anthology: according to a recent biographer, Koestler was a serial rapist and abuser of women.
While some doubt the evidence of rape, even his supporters have had to acknowledge, as one reviewer has written, that Koestler’s “treatment of the many women in his life [was] – even without the ‘rape’ – deeply unpleasant. He was manipulative, demanding, sexually voracious and utterly faithless.”
Koestler himself doesn’t exactly make a persuasive witness for his own defense, having once written to his second wife that “without an element of initial rape there is no delight.”
But in some ways as eye-opening as these revelations has been the response of some of Koestler’s defenders. Case in point: Michael Scammell, the author of a nearly 700-page biography of Koestler. After detailing many instances of Koestler’s mistreatment of women, he writes of the accusations of violent rape:
The exercise of male strength to gain sexual satisfaction wasn’t exactly uncommon at that time … The line between consensual and forced sex was often blurred.
Hey, it was the 1950s. EVERYBODY raped women back then.
The sad fact is that, while this is no defense of Koestler’s alleged behavior, there is an element of truth to Scammell’s claims. The line between consensual sex and rape was often blurred back then. Women were often cajoled, pressured, manipulated, and forced into sex by more physically powerful men. And neither party necessarily recognized what had happened as rape.
The fact that the line between consensual sex and rape is a lot clearer today — and that the rate of rape has declined markedly in the past several decades — is largely due to feminism. Feminism challenged older attitudes and definitions of rape and worked at changing these attitudes through education and awareness campaigns.
Feminist activists worked on teaching — and reteaching — both men and women what is and what isn’t acceptable sexual behavior.
It’s an ongoing process, which continues in awareness campaigns like this one, the Don’t Be That Guy campaign launched in Edmonton (and elsewhere):
It’s pretty clear that there’s a lot more work to be done, as the reactions to this campaign have pretty clearly shown.
Anyone who has read much in the so-called manosphere — on MRA and PUA sites alike — will have noticed a lot of alarmist nonsense about the alleged difficulties men have in determining if a sex act with a woman is consensual or not, as if it is simply impossible, if there is any confusion, for men to open their mouths and ask. MRAs and PUAs act as if obtaining consent “the way feminists want it” would consist of some complicated legalistic procedure that would ruin sex forever.
This is patent nonsense. Clarifying issues of consent about (and during) sex — making anything that’s blurry clear — can be done in less time than it takes to read this sentence.
“Do you like this?” “Yes.”
“Do you want me to [incredibly dirty thing]?” “Yes.”
But, as I said, the MRAs and PUAs complaining about the alleged difficulties of consent don’t really seem to be interested in making things clear. They would, it seems, rather have things as blurry as possible.
And that’s because a lot of them want to return to a world in which, to paraphrase that quote from Scammell above, the exercise of male strength to gain sexual satisfaction isn’t exactly uncommon, and in which the line between consensual and forced sex is often blurred.
They would prefer to return to a world in which it’s considered fair game to “take advantage” of seriously drunk women. One in which all accusations of date rape could be dismissed as the result of a fickle woman changing her mind later.
And that, I think, is why MRAs have such a problem with date rape awareness campaigns like Edmonton’s Don’t Be That Guy campaign — which they try to both ridicule as unnecessary and denounce as an exercise in Nazi-style anti-male propaganda. Sometimes both at the same time.
Consider, for example, Janet Bloomfield/JudgyBitch’s recent A Voice for Men post on the Edmonton poster controversies. Bloomfield — who apparently likes to think of herself as one of those no-nonsense women who can get by just fine without any help from feminists, thank you very much — begins by trying to ridicule the original Don’t Be That Guy posters as simple-minded, obvious and utterly unnecessary.
Referring to several specific posters from the original campaign, she writes:
No, obviously, you should not be having sex with a woman so drunk she is passed out face down on the couch with her ass in the air. …
Obviously, helping a drunk woman home does not entitle you to sex.
And in what is going to come as SHOCKING news to everyone, if someone doesn’t want to have sex with you, you should not have sex with them.
I’ll give you a while to process that information, because I’m sure that until this clever campaign came along, you were all busy screwing comatose girls at parties and gleefully hailing cabs so you could help ladies home and then rape them.
That would be very witty and pointed but for the fact that, guess what, men do attempt to “have sex” with women who are passed out or asleep, and that there are plenty of men who seem to think that this counts as a sort of “no harm, no foul, no rape” situation.
Take a look at the discussion whenever this topic comes up on Reddit, for example. Or consider all those supporters of Julian Assange who pretend that the issue is women changing their mind after sex when in fact one of the things he’s been accused of is penetrating a woman sans condom while she was sleeping.
And as for “taking advantage” of seriously drunk women, well, there are plenty of men who think this is perfectly fine — and some who make this the centerpiece of their “seduction” technique. Indeed, one prominent PUA — Roosh V — has confessed to doing just that with one woman who was clearly too drunk to consent:
While walking to my place, I realized how drunk she was. In America, having sex with her would have been rape, since she legally couldn’t give her consent. It didn’t help matters that I was relatively sober, but I can’t say I cared or even hesitated. I won’t rationalize my actions, but having sex is what I do.
Somehow this confession — boast? — hasn’t, to my knowledge, earned him any condemnations from manosphere or MRA bloggers, or even, it seems, cost him any fans.
Meanwhile, on the very site Bloomfield is publishing her post, Paul Elam blames drunk women for being sexually assaulted, writing (as I pointed out yesterday) that women who drink with men are, “freaking begging” to be raped,
Damn near demanding it. … walk[ing] though life with the equivalent of a I’M A STUPID, CONNIVING BITCH – PLEASE RAPE ME neon sign glowing above their empty little narcissistic heads.
After dismissing the Don’t Be That Guy campaign as so much silliness, Bloomfield makes a sudden 180 degree turn and declares it the virtual equivalent of Nazi propaganda against Jews.
Which would be offensive if it weren’t so manifestly absurd. The Don’t Be That Guy campaign isn’t directed at men, per se. It’s directed at men WHO THINK IT’S OK TO RAPE WOMEN and/or MEN WHO MAKE EXCUSES FOR RAPISTS.
A good number of these men — and some women with similar beliefs — seem to spend much of their time reading and/or writing for manosphere sites like Roosh V’s blog and A Voice for Men.
Petey: You don’t get money from the public purse if you can’t show at least somewhat convincingly that sexual assault is a problem.
A new contender for the Goal Post Movers hall of fame. The anti-rape posters were bad because they bemeaned all men. Now they are bad because sexual assault isn’t a problem (which is what saying “feminists” need to fudge the stats to make it, “somewhat convincing”).
You really aren’t all that clever, are you?
“You need to prove to us (and so yourself) that you are as smart as we are. ”
No I don’t. I am out-numbered and you are hostile to my ideas from the get go. You are anonymous, I am not.
So, each of us is a moron, which means we collectively are smarter than you?
And being pseudononymous (which isn’t the same as anonymous; but since you are so proud of your name being public, where are those papers?) means bupkis to the merits of an argument.
Which means, that was another ad hominem. You are good at those.
@Pecunium
I thought that ad hominem “attacks” were simply insults whereas making an “Argument ad Hominem” qualifies as a fallacy. Can you help me?
Except you get similar numbers if you ask women the same question. So much for that one…
Wait.. was that in one of your arvix papers? So the citation reads,
“Women like about rape as much as men do” Petey Assfax, Arvix, 2013.
That makes it so much more credible, don’t it?
Ugh, Petey’s still here?
Petey, you dumb shit, no one wants you here, and you’re clearly wasting your time. We’re all hardcore truth-hatin’ feminists who blew up the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and probably several other things as well in an effort to subjugate all males, and our commitment to the cause is far too strong to allow a puerile fuck like you to shake it. Or whatever it is that you need to believe so that you’ll GO THE FUCK AWAY.
Sarah: You’re right. To wit: An ad hominem attack (“Petey is ugly”) isn’t fallacious because it’s just a statement; it could be true or false, but it isn’t being used to support a conclusion. OTOH, if you use it to support an argument, then it’s a fallacy.
So if Petey just says “you’re cowardly and anonymous,” that’s not fallacious, but when he argues that we’re wrong because we’re cowardly and anonymous, that’s fallacious.
Unfortunately, I already gave him the 5 pt max per fallacy for the dancing goalposts. I think he’s at 18, 19 if he decides that we can’t be taken seriously on anything since we don’t think 9/11 was an inside job.
And I apparently have a cactus you really don’t want to pet. Sitting here trying to figure out how I managed to get two tiny blisters, that look like poison ivy, inside my left pinkie (I’m a righty) — after some discussion, it dawns on me, I accidentally slid my hand along my barrel cactus yesterday. At least that means the poped blisters will behave like any other exposed skin and scab up in no time.
OH GODS — “valve stuck frome stail? stall? full” NOT ETHAN FROME!!! (Have I mentioned that most of the techs here aren’t so bright?)
“A lot of the statistics pushed by The MRM are dubious for the simple reason that they have a vested interest in inflating them.”
I don’t trust the MRM any more than I trust the feminists. Didn’t I make that clear in an earlier post?
“I thought that ad hominem “attacks” were simply insults whereas making an “Argument ad Hominem” qualifies as a fallacy. Can you help me?”
There are two main types — Poisoning the Well is introducing evidence, that’s irrelevant, about the person in order to say that they can’t be believed in general. Abusive fallacy is when it devolves into slinging insults (which, from everyone I’ve talked to, pretty much requires there not be an argument attached — “you are wrong in X Y Z ways, and an asshole” is just bad form, not a fallacy)
I just died a little inside. Did you really fucking say that? O_O
Of course it’s a fucking problem – it’s sexual assault.
There are numerous studies out there that you can read for free just by doing a simple Google search. Why don’t you actually read those studies?
So you don’t trust them to rid the world of double standards like you claimed they were going to do earlier?
You know we can read what you write, don’t you?
And ninja’ed!
FTR, my definitions for Spot! That! Fallacy! are wiki — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
9/11 truthers, OTOH, have absolutely no vested interest. They are strictly cool and objective.
“The software? Who cares? Really? Has it changed people’s lives? Is it effective at helping others (as with twitter)? Is it entertaining (a la Candy Crush, or Life)?”
Ever heard of statistical classification? If not, it’s vital in keeping your spam filter working. Most spam filters use a naive Bayesian classifier. Mine is a lot better.
It stands to reason that you people would think that peer review is important because the lot of you are obviously too lazy and stupid to evaluate a piece of work on the basis of it’s own merits. Instead, you simply go with the crowd. “Yup, this guy thinks it’s good, it must be good…”
“Except you get similar numbers if you ask women the same question. So much for that one…”
You do?
You know, I really wish David would enforce the part of the comments policy that says tedious trolls may get the boot. This one is long past tedious.
To be fair, we’re also mocking you. Did you notice the tagline of the website on your way in?
So in other words, nothing.
And, just to point this out: You are not a skeptic. A skeptic doesn’t believe a claim unless it can be proven to be true. Once it’s proven to be true then the claim is believed even if you don’t like what the claim is. If no evidence can be found to support something, a skeptic will not believe the converse simply because there is no evidence. Which is exactly what you’re doing with the rape stats. Even if you chose to denounce the evidence, which is supported in more than one developed country and would hint toward a massive conspiracy across nationals and continental lines, not to mention cultural ones, it still would not mean that rape is minimal, or that false rape stats are high, or anything else that you’ve posited. You haven’t just said “I don’t accept your evidence”, you’ve made positive claims to the contrary by saying that rape is <1:1000 in developed nations, false rape accusations are equivalent to rape numbers-wise, ect ect. Those are positive claims, and they require evidence beyond just "Well, I think it makes sense so I'll believe it". Because "common sense" isn't common, logical, or sensical, as I mentioned before. The way the world works, in many ways, is incredibly counterintuitive. So you are a bullshitter who believes shit without evidence and you should be ashamed and embarrassed by your lack of intellectual honesty.
Riiiiight… since many people on here don’t have dicks, (although I assume we do all have asses sitting in hard misandric chairs) that makes little to no sense and is homophobic/slut-shaming to boot! Good job, you’re now explicitly an asshole instead of just an implied one.
“9/11 truthers, OTOH, have absolutely no vested interest. They are strictly cool and objective.”
We have a vested interest in not believing it. Think of how it absolutely shatters one’s worldview… How it destroy confidence not only governments, but in people in general. It is not a pleasant thing to believe at all.
It stands to reason you’d hate peer review, because you don’t want to be told your work is wrong. Chickenshit.
Petey, oh Petey…people suck at evaluating their own work. It’s a cognitive bias I’m sure, but those are more pecunium’s territory. In any case, you get so attached to your project that you fail to see the parts the fucking suck.
Of course, you’ll think this doesn’t apply to you, because the Dunning-Kruger is just absurdly strong in you.
Pretty sure that’s all you ever hear, duder.
sarahlizhousespouse: He’s making an ad hominem claim, by conflating our insults with the idea we’ve not actually refuted him.
He is using the idea that insults are unfair (or, “irrational” to use a pet-phrase of many misogynists).
There are forms of the ad hominem fallacy (e.g. poisoning the well) which rely on the idea that being insulting is never acceptable. Since Petey arguments are stale bundles of rancid fewmets (just add water and all the stink comes back) and he refuses to acknowledge the evidence against him (he’s admitted it, “I don’t know what the numbers are, but they must be close to what I say because reasons), insult is merited.
He is insulting everyone he engages with.
Or, as a friend of mine put it: “No. Ad hominem is attacking the argument by attacking the person. I said your argument was evidence that you’re an idiot.”
The importance of peer-review comes from the fact that people can be biased and so having a diverse set of perspectives in the evaluation process is helpful and helps get rid of bias.
Dude, you’re being completely ridiculous.
I’ll take “missing the point” for $400 please!
Dude, the point was that disbelieving one think does not mean believing the opposite to true skeptics. In this case, that you don’t think bin Laden was behind it does not automatically mean it was a gov’n controlled demolition with a conspiracy of hundreds of people. It’s the part where you disbelieve the official story and thus swallow any counter theory hook line and sinker that makes you nothing like a skeptic.
We have a vested interest in not believing it. Think of how it absolutely shatters one’s worldview… How it destroy confidence not only governments, but in people in general. It is not a pleasant thing to believe at all.
“…which is why I am such an AWESOMELY BRAVE INTELLIGENT HERO for believing it.”
“You are wrong because you are an idiot” is an Ad hominem.
“You are wrong therefore you are an idiot” is a Conclusion.