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The “Don’t Be That Girl” Poster Controversy in Edmonton, and A Voice for Men’s History of Rape Apologia

Two of the Don't Be that Girl posters
Two of the Don’t Be that Girl posters

I‘ve been traveling, so I’m a bit late getting to the whole “Don’t Be That Girl” poster controversy in Edmonton. For those of you who don’t already know all about it: A group called Men’s Rights Edmonton, closely associated with our favorite Men’s Rights hate site A Voice for Men, has been putting up some pretty obnoxious posters parodying an anti-rape poster campaign called “Don’t Be That Guy,” turning the anti-date rape message into one that targets alleged false accusers of rape.

Salon’s Mary Elizabeth Williams has a pretty good dissection of the whole thing here. As she notes, one of the biggest problems with the “Don’t Be That Girl” posters is

the idiotic defensive assumption that [the original “Don’t Be That Guy”] campaign expressly created to educate men and women about consent merits a hateful, finger-pointing response. And it makes the classic presumption that getting drunk, hooking up and then crying rape is a standard chick operating procedure — an idea that is based, by the way, on no solid statistical evidence.

That’s as good as far as it goes, but I would go a bit further:

I don’t think that MRAs are really concerned about false accusations. If they were, they would be working with groups like the Innocence Project that actually help men (and women) who have been wrongly convicted for crimes they didn’t commit.

No, it seems to me that what they’re really worried about is true accusations.

MRAs, with these posters, and with their endless whinging about the alleged complexities of sexual consent, are trying to push back against the date rape awareness campaigns of the last several decades. MRAs and PUAs like to pretend that consent is a complicated and weirdly arbitrary thing — something that women decide to bestow or not to bestow on a whim, and that women sometimes like to retract after the fact.

Feminists say that whenever there is a question about whether or not you have consent, you need to stop and ask. MRAs and PUAs pretend that this somehow means the death of spontaneous sex if not all sex altogether.

Ironically, for all their complaining about the allegedly blurry line between consent and non-consent, many MRAs and PUAs want to keep that line as blurry as possible. But unlike feminists, who want the blurriness to be resolved before anything happens, most MRAs and PUAs seem to want “blurry” to count as “yes.” That is, unless a woman is shouting no, guys are good to go, and if a woman later says she was raped, it’s because she’s “That Girl” and she’s arbitrarily decided to revoke her consent after the fact.

That’s what’s so insidious about the “That Girl” poster campaign.

And that’s why those responding to it should point out the history of the people sponsoring the campaign. Men’s Rights Edmonton and its spokesperson, Karen Straughan (Girl Writes What) are both closely connected with A Voice for Men, which is actively helping coordinate MRA activism around the issue.

So it’s worth pointing out what A Voice for Men has previously posted about rape — and perhaps putting some of these things on posters.

AVFM founder and publisher Paul Elam blames date rape on its victims, writing in one notorious post — which regular readers here will no doubt remember — that women who are raped after drinking and going home with a man are “begging” to be raped:

I have ideas about women who spend evenings in bars hustling men for drinks …  paying their bar tab with the pussy pass. And the women who drink and make out, doing everything short of sex with men all evening, and then go to his apartment at 2:00 a.m..  Sometimes both of these women end up being the “victims” of rape.

But are these women asking to get raped?

In the most severe and emphatic terms possible the answer is NO, THEY ARE NOT ASKING TO GET RAPED.

They are freaking begging for it.

Damn near demanding it.

And all the outraged PC demands to get huffy and point out how nothing justifies or excuses rape won’t change the fact that there are a lot of women who get pummeled and pumped because they are stupid (and often arrogant) enough to walk though life with the equivalent of a I’M A STUPID, CONNIVING BITCH – PLEASE RAPE ME neon sign glowing above their empty little narcissistic heads.

Elam has also said that if he is ever on a jury in a rape case he will vote to acquit even if there is clear evidence that the accused is guilty, and he has urged other men to similarly “nullify.” Here is his exact quote:

Should I be called to sit on a jury for a rape trial, I vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true.

The post of his in which this quote appeared is now missing from the AVFM site, but he has confirmed he’s said this elsewhere on the site. [EDIT: I’ve been informed that the original post is also available via the Wayback Machine here.]

Meanwhile, AVFM Editor in Chief John Hembling takes a certain pride in his callousness towards rape victims, and has gone so far as to make several videos in which he’s announced that he doesn’t care about rape, and that if he ever sees anyone being raped, he will simply walk on by. (You can find excerpts of both vidoes here.)

There are many other examples of the site’s utter contempt for rape victims, but perhaps the most telling is the site’s use of the term “rapetard” to describe people who take the issue of rape seriously.

The people behind the Don’t Be That Girl posters claim that they’re merely trying to protect innocent men from false accusers. Their real agenda is much more insidious than that.

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baileyrenee
baileyrenee
11 years ago

Every time the MRM gets a chance to make an actual point about men’s rights, they do something like this. They could have done posters about male rape victims, about how girls can pressure men into sex and assault them too, but no, they would rather mock an existing campaign. And then they wonder why so many people think they’re just anti woman and not pro men’s rights.

canuck_with_pluck
canuck_with_pluck
11 years ago

Wow, I’ve never been the first one to comment on a post before…I feel I must say something really really insightful. However, I’m really tired, so I don’t know how that’s going to work.
(although by the time I actually post this, I may not be the first. Slightly less pressure FTW!)

Have the head honchos of the men’s movement ever given any reason for their rampant misogyny? (Besides “women, ewwwww”) I mean, not to excuse their behaviour, but what the hell has given them all these crazy ideas about women’s supposed “high status” in society? I’ve only been following this blog for about a year and a half…did I miss something that explains it?

Also, just found out that two women have been attacked in my neighbourhood. Eeeeek…I work late. :S

Sorry, I hope that’s groundbreaking enough. 😉

Rachael P-McG (@StuffedFantod)

I think you are absolutely dead on: It’s not false accusations that freak them out. They want people to be able to date rape and not get called out for it, let alone potentially prosecuted for it.

sarahlizhousespouse
11 years ago

TheTruePooka has mentioned this ad campaign on his blog. Here’s the post:http://thetruepooka.wordpress.com/2013/05/13/dont-be-that-activist/

Dean Esmay shows up to defend AVFM by strawmanning Pooka and claiming that he has “better” statistics which show false rape allegations are not rare. Here’s a quote from him, “I can provide peer reviewed and publicly available literature that gives more realistic answers”. He never provided said “publicly available literature” so no one reading the comments could look over that literature to even determine whether these statements were true or false nor could we examine the studies and potentially find flaws in the methodology or conflicts of interest. We’re just supposed to accept his word on faith? Why?

Why should anyone believe this ridiculous movement when they fail to provide evidence for their claims?

Stuffed Fantod
11 years ago

@Canuck: It often seems to come down to: “Why won’t women do what I want, when I want it?” Couple that with emotions and personal ideals that are arrested at the toddler stage, and you end up with MRAs.

canuck_with_pluck
canuck_with_pluck
11 years ago

Wow that seems really….sad. I kinda feel sorry for them. (only a little though…)

SittieKitty
11 years ago

baileyrenee, that’s a really good point. And would have been a valid way to turn that campaign to their pet projects without drawing so much shit.

princessbonbon
11 years ago

From what I understand this is directly from AVfM. They are the ones who organized and set this up.

meadhreid
meadhreid
11 years ago

Chalk JudgyBitch (aka Janet Bloomfield) one up for more blatant apologism and some serious backpedaling. avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/false-rape-culture/lets-talk-about-those-rape-posters

cloudiah
cloudiah
11 years ago

MRA Edmonton has a post up, by fidelbogen, of course trying to appropriate the anti-lynching movement carried out at great actual risk by civil rights activists. Not linking to it because of graphic lynching photos, the use of which in this context is incredibly offensive and disgusting. So I just want to remind everyone of the facts collected by the NAACP, which showed that the vast majority of people lynched were accused of crimes other than rape or attempted rape. (Often those “crimes” were having more money/land than white folks thought they should have.)

These ahistorical asshats piss me off.

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

*shakes head* I have a limited tolerance for people acting like histrionic wingnuts over the concept of saying no to sex, but yeah, these guys have a very strange idea of how sex and rape works.

Just… ugh. This is only making me aware of how much ‘rape-proofing’ I still have instituted in my life, even though it never did me one lick of good.

sarahlizhousespouse
11 years ago

@princessbonbon
Paul Elam has said and I quote, “To clarify, no one to my knowledge associated directly with A Voice for Men created the meme, but it is a fine piece of work and I wholly support the message it carries. Whoever did it has my thanks.”

So, the originator of the meme is unknown, however the AVFM, or at least Elam. has definitely thrown their support behind the message.

baileyrenee
baileyrenee
11 years ago

@SittieKitty

I just don’t get how they didn’t realize what a bad idea this was. If they did ads like this in response to an actual case of false rape accusation, I wouldn’t be upset at all. Why choose to bring it up in response to anti-rape ads, though? Can they seriously not see how offensive and stupid it is to do something like that? Why do they need to feel as though they are fighting against woman’s issues and not with them?

It’s really depressing. I’m sure there are lots of guys in this movement who are really expecting some positive changes from it. The way things are going, it doesn’t look like they are going to see anything positive come from these people at all.

I don’t know what’s sadder, thinking they knew exactly what they were doing when they made these posters, or having no idea.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

MRAs and PUAs pretend that this somehow means the death of spontaneous sex if not all sex altogether.

This is one of the strange things, and I bet it has something to do with these creeps seldom, if ever, having long-term relationships.

Why the emphasis on spontaneous sex? It reads like they need to get it shoved in there now, quick, before he loses his erection, or before he’s in any danger of having to TALK to her, or take some time in mutual pleasuring (“foreplay” just goes with the idea that PiV is the only important thing about sex). It shows their incompetence as bed-partners as well as the misogyny that likely causes it.

I bet the idea of conversational sex would send them into a total panic.

sarahlizhousespouse
11 years ago

Thanks for clarifying, David!

Ally S
11 years ago

@sarahlizhousespouse

Actual quote by Elam: “No wonder the MHRM is growing so rapidly. People are starving for intelligence in the wasteland.”

LOL

Ally S
11 years ago

@sarahlizhousespouse

Actual quote by Elam: “No wonder the MHRM is growing so rapidly. People are starving for intelligence in the wasteland.”

LOL

HM
HM
11 years ago

From TheTruePooka’s response to Elam:

“You use grandiose language, heavy trigger words and exaggerated claims when approaching topics.”

Ya don’t say….

Gemini Gemma
11 years ago

@ sarahlizhousespouse

Dean Esmay even claims that feminism is not about equality. *facepalm*

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

RE: Kittehserf

I don’t get the focus on spontaneous sex either, but then again, it’s only been in the past couple YEARS that I’ve been able to “just have sex,” rather than treating it like a tiger hunt, and I have a long-standing rule that I should never, EVER be surprised with sex.

Ally S
11 years ago

From Dean Esmay:

If you truly believe that false rape allegations hurt real victims, then you should be out there screaming as loudly as possible about it when it happens–and you should definitely NOT repeat Susan Brownmillers’s 40 year old and completely debunked claim that only 2% of rape allegations are false. While real numbers on that are still somewhat hard to pin down, there are a number of studies that show, depending on how you ask the question, substantially more than that, and none (absolutely none, zero) to back up the preposterous 2% claim, which is an outright fabrication with no empirical data behind it at all.

I would like to be proven wrong…

Funny thing is, that figure is not solely from Brownmiller. It’s also a figure from an FBI study.

Unimaginative
Unimaginative
11 years ago

depending on how you ask the question,

Yeah, exactly, asshat. “Do you believe false rape accusations are a huge problem, or an acute problem?”

What I want to know is, why are so many of these asshats from Canada? I have no words scathing enough. Really, I’ve been trying to write them, and erasing them. Insufficient scathe.

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