So it’s true: Feminists have started ruining video games with all their feminism. At least according to some dude called pullupjumper on MGTOWforums who recently wrote a post warning his fellow red pill dudebros about a little game called The Last of Us, which is not only filled with zombies but, get this, girls.
For anyone who plays video games as one of their hobbies, The Last of Us is a pretty fun game…. but…. The feminist messages were close to ruining a game I waited a year for… The game’s setting is in a zombie apocalyptic world and the basic story (no spoilers) is that this guy has to take a 14 year old girl across the country during the zombie apocalypse. Almost as soon as the story started, I knew pretty much every female character in the game (except for the main protagonists daughter) would be portrayed as a”bad ass” character. The message was clear, women are as strong as men… Even when they are only 14.
Also, there were some adult ladies in positions of authority!
During the game , the two main characters meet different survivor groups. Every group leader was a woman. The only group leader who was a man, was a bad guy. The main protagonist even said yes ma’am, no ma’am to these women.
CAN YOU IMAGINE.
Now before you all go, but isn’t this sort of complaining a little hypocritical, given that all these video game dudes got mad when that chick Anita Sarkeesian who isn’t even a real gamer because of boobies made those videos she totally stole all that money for because IT’S ONLY A GAME, LADY JEEZ DON’T RUIN EVERYTHING WITH YOUR STUPID GENDER ANALYSIS.
Well, no, it’s not totally hypocritical because, get this, the girls in The Last of Us are portrayed as being unnaturally strong and capable.
What was pretty funny though is that the 14 year old girl is able to fire a rifle THAT IS BIGGER THAN HER and fire it accurately.
This is a clear affront to the extreme naturalism and realism of a game about a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE.
And clearly never before in video game history has any male character been portrayed as unnaturally strong or capable.
Oh but it gets worse:
On the other hand, (not funny) another boy who was about the 14 year old girls age, was portrayed as weak, could not fight, could not shoot a gun and was just made to seem very weak. The Fems cant even leave their “girl power” out of the games.
A male character who is helpless and in need of rescue?
OH NO!
SAVE ME PRINCESS PEACH!
Happily, pullupjumper has an idea for a way to confront this creeping feminism:
Maybe, if any of you are interested, a couple of us can get together and start making our own games after these games become unbearable. What do you guys think?
Grimlock is right there with him:
I’m currently going to school for media arts and animation and am considering starting a small indy animation/film studio with a couple of guys from class. I also happen to be getting pretty good at 3d modeling … and even though i want to start with animation and film video games are my end game.
I don’t think I’d ever put an obvious message into a game, since I find pushing your belief onto others through mediums like videogames more than a little cunty, but will my games be misogynist? You better fucking believe it. Misogyny The likes of which will make duke nukem blush. I won’t need to tell you guys when I break into the industry, you’ll know it from the sheer uproar it’ll cause.
Misogyny … in video games? Now there’s a novel idea!
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Oh, by the way, for new and/or extremely literal readers, I would like to point out that this post contains
I don’t see anyone here hating on the dogs. I’m the only one that mentioned them, and that’s because they’re such a perfect example of irresponsible breeding. They’re perfectly nice dogs – some lab/poodles are really cool: though the ones I like are generally the ones that didn’t turn out how their owners hoped. 😛
Bear in mind that in my dream world there are no pet stores, only shelters/rescues and breeders. And somehow, magically, all breeders are responsible. Ha! That would generally mean if you want a fancy dog, you have to wait. And if there are poodle/anything crosses in my world, they are being bred to be good at something. Whether that’s deer hunting or being an incredibly chilled, low drive pet, doesn’t matter.
But that’s not what we have. We have dogs with luxating patellas, predisposition to torn cruciates, skin problems, eye problems, such incredibly overshot jaws you have to remove teeth so their mouth will close.
I like all dogs. I am a dog person. I think spaniel/poodle crosses have really neat coats generally. I just don’t like back yard breeders, and I don’t see how oodle breeders can not be back yard breeders.
Arh shit, sorry to spam. Just wanted to say, I hope I’m not coming across as too angry: it’s a topic that really gets under my skin, and I spend so much time trying to nicely convince people that breeding should be a serious thing and I get tired of seeing unwanted dogs die at one end of the clinic (we do the pound euths) and seeing more puppies getting popped out at the other end – by people like the very nice client who bred her pet dog and produced the very very lovely puppy with the overshot jaw.
I’m not angry with anyone on here!
That’s great, and the thing is, GSD:s overall are a success story when it comes to hips. They used to have horrendous hip problems; nowadays, as I said, the entire breed has about 25 % percent hip dysplasia, and there are whole families that are fairly free from it.
So I’m not saying nothing can be done in no breed without crossing, obviously not. In many breeds, lots and lots can be done with mere selective breeding. However, realistically, there must be a point where existing health problems are too common and too numerous to handle within the breed. I don’t know what the percentages were on ambulls when it came to the problems you mentioned, but when there are several problems in a breed that are so common that more than half the individuals in the breed has them, I’m doubtful.
But let’s say for the sake of argument that it would be possible to, say, breed the boxer healthy without mixing in new blood. Even if that’s possible, it must certainly take a very long time, since you have the spinal problems, the heart problems, the hip problems, the elbow problems, the tumor problems and so on, and some of these problems afflict more than half the population. So if we assume that you could make the boxer as healthy as, say, the kelpie, over fifty generations, you’re still gonna produce one hell of a lot of sick dogs on the way there. And why? Solely for the sake of “breed purity”. I can’t see that being morally defensible when the breed could be made healthier quicker by introducing some new already healthy blood.
Plus, directly attacking lack of genetic diversity, which is a thing that, as I said above, many breeds suffer from, just is impossible without bringing in new blood. Now I doubt the ambull suffers from that particular problem since, as I said, it takes time before lack of genetic diversity within an entire breed causes problems, and the ambull hasn’t to my knowledge been registered and bred pure for that long, right?
Idk if there even are breeders here that are neither backyard breeder or puppy mills. I mean, idk if indoor breeders who care about the animals count as backyard breeders, but it seems all you see are puppy mill pups, homebred purebreds (who, in all cases I’ve seen, are careful and do care about the animals) and mutts — accidents, the ones over crowding shelters.
So of the three, the dogs giving birth in a spare bedroom // climate controlled garage // whatever seem least unethical. (Like, our pups got a closet and me going “I knew I saved this half destroyed blanket for a reason! — and not some shitty out of the way closet, but the one right next to their father’s favorite spot)
@Argenti:
I just read I Am Legend for the first time recently; there was a lot of misogyny boiling under the surface of the main character, and I wasn’t sure for a while whether I was supposed to hate the main character or admire him for it. (i.e., authorial intent) It doesn’t help that he wrote it in 1954, when that sort of attitude would be more common.
I read some of his other stuff and saw a lot more that seemed more deconstructive of internalized sexism than just containing of it… in other words, I think it is supposed to be some of the attitudes of the fifties writ large. Part of his point is that the civilized and normal way this man was living was monstrous–it looks normal because it’s so largely built as the way we live, but if you look closer you realize it has major problems.
Just so with our society.
I watched The Omega Man, the first big-screen adaptation of the novel, and they changed the ending horribly. Because the implications of the book are too subversive, in the end he is the hero, and he’s right to do all the killing he’s done. Flatly.
Ugh, what a bad taste in my mouth. Way to totally miss the point, guys….
Regarding mixes in general: I think all dogs should be bred by breeders who keep their breeding animals as family pets, who buy back any dog the puppy buyer can’t keep and rehome zir so zie doesn’t have to go to a shelter or simply be sold online, who’s knowledgable regarding the inheritance of mental traits as well as physical conditions and who take serious steps to breed as physically and mentally healthy dogs as possible, and only sell them to people who really care about dogs and are as fully informed as possible.
Now I’ll happily grant you that only a minority of breeders of pure-bred dogs live up to the above standard, but they can be found. If you look at people breeding mixes, they are, even if well-meaning, almost always fairly clueless when it comes to physical and mental health, and correct me if I’m wrong, but I also think the policy of buying back any dog that a puppy owner can’t keep is fairly non-existent among breeders of mixes as well. Plus it seems, from the people I’ve met with -oodles, that the breeders have often given them misleading information (like, they’ve told them that pretty soon this mix will be recognized as a breed by the kennel club and then they can take them to shows – stuff like that).
So, all-in-all, seems like pretty much all breeders of such dogs are questionable, whereas in pure breeds you can find decent breeders. But I have nothing against the dogs – I love ALL dogs!
It’s not that I dislike any dogs. I love all dogs.
PS: Richard Matheson, the author, passed away last month, just after I’d finished reading I Am Legend and a collection of his short stories, watching Omega Man, Real Steel, a Hugh Jackman popcorn flick based on one of his stories.
I told my brother and he concluded that I have the power to kill authors by paying too much attention to them.
Regarding the expression “backyard breeder”, if I’ve understood it correctly (from having conversations with American dog breeders), it doesn’t refer to anyone who let the bitch give birth in the bed room, but specifically to clueless and irresponsible breeders. Correct me if I’m wrong, Hrovitnir!
And I’m gonna state exactly what kind of mixing I’m talking about: The Swedish kennel club, some years ago, allowed the clumber spaniel breed club to add some cocker spaniel blood to their breed, because their breed had so many health problems and narrow gene pool even globally. The crossings were carefully planned, conducted by well-known breeders within the breed, and the offspring registered in a special register. They were evaluated on health, mentality, looks and so on just like regular clumbers, and some were selected for further breeding. After four generations, the offspring with cocker in the pedigree were registered as purebred clumbers. I can really see no arguments against this kind of procedure when a breed is in trouble, except “it’s against tradition”.
There are also various breeds that are allowed to mix on the breeders discretion, since only coat, size or some similar detail separates them. Long-haired and short-haired chihuahuas, for instance, can be bred to each other. The offspring are then registered as belonging to either the long-haired or the short-haired breed depending on coat.
What I’d most like to see would be an extension of this kind of system, so that all breeds have a couple or a few similar breeds that breeders are allowed to cross with, when the breeders see fit to do so, and then the offspring is registered as one or the other depending on certain characteristics. For instance, if the German Shepherd Dog could be mixed with the Belgian shepherd dog Malinois, the offspring could be registered as one or the other depending on colour. If Tibetan Spaniels could be crossed with Lhasa Apsos, or miniature pinschers with miniature schnauzers, the offspring could be registered as one or the other depending on coat structure. And so on.
Advantage: Bigger gene pools, therefore less problems that are directly related to narrow gene pools. Also makes possible harsher selection against physical and mental problems when there are more breeding animals to choose between, meaning you can make populations healthier faster.
Drawback: ?? This isn’t how we’ve been doing things for the last hundred years ?? It will be more common that an individual with the wrong coat, colour, ears etc pop up in a breed. Yeah, that’s about it.
Well, I was thinking how he treated the nameless female vampires, too…
My nit to pick was with the narratation, mostly, like the way he narrarates some of Ruth’s (thewoman’s) actions.
(potential tw: rape)
And also, the author talks about women in such a weeeeeeiiiiiiird way. It’s like “[MC] had forgotten about women sobbing”. As in, like all women sob the same way? All women sob when x happens? and “[MC] always experiments on women vampires”. And “[MC] debates raping a sleeping woman vampire” and “[MC] kidnaps a woman who appears to be a human survivor and drags him to his house”.
A couple of those happen later, when Neville has obviousy and unambigiously transformed into a jerk. Still, something about it rubbed me the wrong way and I can’t figure out why…
the book also has racist bits, like when the narration refers to Neville’s black coworker as “n****”.
Maybe howardbann1ster is right, and it was supposed to show how our civilization is not actually that civilized. It still resulted unenjoyable for me.
Fuck, I’ve turned into Dog Obsidian. Hrovotnir, if you don’t have the stamina to wade through these walls of text, I understand.
In retrospect, I think it starts with his treatment of his wife and daughter.
There’s a lot of ‘chivalry’ at play in the way he treats them, that we get treated to early on in the book.
The failure mode of a staire that tries to show the flipside of chivalry is when it just ends up playing it straight, and you can’t tell that this is supposed to be showing you what’s wrong.
Speaking of which, who saw Cabin in the Woods?
Yeah, sorry for the jargon, too much time on animal forums. 😛 You are quite right!
I actually feel that the genuinely nice people having puppies because bitches should have a litter/their dog is just so nice! contribute more to overpopulation than genuine puppy mills: because there are more of them. It’s really painful because on an individual level they’re not bad people, and they’re not terrible dogs: but IMO if you’re deliberately breeding you should be trying to improve what we’ve got, considering the issues so many dogs have. I also hold breeders to a standard that means I think 95% of breeders are dodgy. I think you are 100% responsible for every single life you bring into this world, and if you’re not prepared to take back unwanted dogs/end up with a bunch of dogs because breeding for health doesn’t always work, you are not being responsible.
Haha, yeah well they’re kind of a half-arsed breed, as I like to say. But they’ve got as many problems as GSDs as a rule because total jerks are attracted to the breed. It is deeply, deeply depressing.
That’s awesome. The thing about that is that dogs never even used to be bred like this. It wasn’t really that long ago (a couple of hundred years?) that most breeds were working bred. Which means bred for a function, with form secondary, and they varied a lot. If you look at modern working Springer Spaniels they look nothing like show dogs.
An aside re: GSDs, in NZ they actually definitely have a lot of hip issues. Yay small population. But OTOH people think the sloping back causes it, where that actually causes spinal problems, on top of hip dysplasia if they get it.
I definitely agree with you – I tend to be a bit shy of the argument that we should just outcross! Because I deal with a lot of well meaning clients who have watched shows on breed specific health issues and think mongrels are innately healthier, which is… an oversimplification. But I agree 200% with what you’re talking about, it would be wonderful. But unlikely – certainly over here. 🙁
lol No, no, I love it. 😀 I actually couldn’t sleep last night because I felt so bad for being O in my multi-posting, plus being all aggressive. *face-palm*
LOL definitely not the Dog Obsidian, Dvarg! Assholishness is required for any such comparison.
Plus a real obsidian dog would be cute.
My brain: d’awwww…that’s hematite though
Is it? It was labelled obsidian on the site. Never mind, it’s a cute black dog!
Certainly looks like it, and hematite carves far easier than obsidian. Either way,meep, it’s adorable!
Definitely hematite.
The reason females aren’t in zombie games or movies is because they got eaten by their physical superiors. THere shouldnt even be female zombies, PC is taking over this country. the females zombies would all die out withing days. The zombie genre should be all men.
Wait, how would there not be female zombies?! Even if we pretend women all die super easy, wouldn’t that mean zombies would have a higher ratio of females to males than the remaining humans?
In the event of a zombie apocalypse Pell would be the only survivor because he doesn’t have enough of a brain for them to want to eat him.
@Hrovitnir: Seems we mostly agree. I think it’s unrealistic in Sweden too to have many crossing projects in the future, since so many people are against it because TRADITION. But carefully crossing certain breeds like I described isn’t something I’ve dreamed up all by myself, it’s been advocated for years by a doctor in genetics, Per-Erik Sundgren, who specialized in dogs and worked together with the kennel club on many issues. Most dog people have lots of respect for him (or had, he’s dead now), but still hesitate to accept some of his most radical suggestions.
He was always very careful to point out though, that crossing isn’t some magical cure-for-all ills, just that it would be of great benefit to breeds with really narrow gene pools and also some breeds that simply have loads and loads of health problems.
I think we probably agree on most things. 🙂
😀 Yes. Do you still have your small dogs? I have not seem pictures of your animals. *hint hint*
I can only dream of a world where more people were responsible than not.
Get the genre right, Pell:
“The reason females aren’t in zombie games or movies is because they got eaten by their physical superiors.”
You don’t watch a lot of zombie film/TV do you? Zombies don’t eat each other. Also, what is a “physically superior” zombie? You seem to think it has something to with height and weight. Naw, being fresher and therefore faster might be an advantage for a zombie. Otherwise…
“THere shouldnt even be female zombies, PC is taking over this country.”
Hmmm. but apparently not in places like Texas, where legislators try to pass rules stopping women from governing their own vaginas.
“….the females zombies would all die out withing days. The zombie genre should be all men.”
We already know you’re a sexist dudebro, you don’t have to underscore it for us anymore, kid. Though, fretting over the presence of women in the zombie genre shows me a new dimension to your weird “No Girls Allowed” issue. Are you afraid if women shoot zombies in a video game girls might believe they can defend themselves with weapons? It’s a little late to be worrying about that kind of thing, thanks to Xena, Buffy, Agent Scully, errr and real life examples, such as Annie Oakley, all the women who have been serving in combat positions in the armed forces since the Gulf War….and so on, and so on…
seriously, the cat’s out of the bag, kid.