
So it’s true: Feminists have started ruining video games with all their feminism. At least according to some dude called pullupjumper on MGTOWforums who recently wrote a post warning his fellow red pill dudebros about a little game called The Last of Us, which is not only filled with zombies but, get this, girls.
For anyone who plays video games as one of their hobbies, The Last of Us is a pretty fun game…. but…. The feminist messages were close to ruining a game I waited a year for… The game’s setting is in a zombie apocalyptic world and the basic story (no spoilers) is that this guy has to take a 14 year old girl across the country during the zombie apocalypse. Almost as soon as the story started, I knew pretty much every female character in the game (except for the main protagonists daughter) would be portrayed as a”bad ass” character. The message was clear, women are as strong as men… Even when they are only 14.
Also, there were some adult ladies in positions of authority!
During the game , the two main characters meet different survivor groups. Every group leader was a woman. The only group leader who was a man, was a bad guy. The main protagonist even said yes ma’am, no ma’am to these women.
CAN YOU IMAGINE.
Now before you all go, but isn’t this sort of complaining a little hypocritical, given that all these video game dudes got mad when that chick Anita Sarkeesian who isn’t even a real gamer because of boobies made those videos she totally stole all that money for because IT’S ONLY A GAME, LADY JEEZ DON’T RUIN EVERYTHING WITH YOUR STUPID GENDER ANALYSIS.
Well, no, it’s not totally hypocritical because, get this, the girls in The Last of Us are portrayed as being unnaturally strong and capable.
What was pretty funny though is that the 14 year old girl is able to fire a rifle THAT IS BIGGER THAN HER and fire it accurately.
This is a clear affront to the extreme naturalism and realism of a game about a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE.
And clearly never before in video game history has any male character been portrayed as unnaturally strong or capable.

Oh but it gets worse:
On the other hand, (not funny) another boy who was about the 14 year old girls age, was portrayed as weak, could not fight, could not shoot a gun and was just made to seem very weak. The Fems cant even leave their “girl power” out of the games.
A male character who is helpless and in need of rescue?
OH NO!
SAVE ME PRINCESS PEACH!
Happily, pullupjumper has an idea for a way to confront this creeping feminism:
Maybe, if any of you are interested, a couple of us can get together and start making our own games after these games become unbearable. What do you guys think?
Grimlock is right there with him:
I’m currently going to school for media arts and animation and am considering starting a small indy animation/film studio with a couple of guys from class. I also happen to be getting pretty good at 3d modeling … and even though i want to start with animation and film video games are my end game.
I don’t think I’d ever put an obvious message into a game, since I find pushing your belief onto others through mediums like videogames more than a little cunty, but will my games be misogynist? You better fucking believe it. Misogyny The likes of which will make duke nukem blush. I won’t need to tell you guys when I break into the industry, you’ll know it from the sheer uproar it’ll cause.
Misogyny … in video games? Now there’s a novel idea!
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Oh, by the way, for new and/or extremely literal readers, I would like to point out that this post contains
Zombies and vampires are so played out at this point. Hollywood, move on already pls.
RE: anadiomene122
I have a buddy who does a podcast. Their first episode had as a topic, “Which is more exposed, vampires or zombies?”
It’s my personal belief that it’s not even the creatures themselves that are played out, it’s just that people keep telling the same stories with them. I loathe pretty-pouty-predatory vampires, but really enjoyed “Let The Right One In,” and I’m sick of zombie apocalypses but LOVED the “The Zombies Strike At Midnight,” (strike in the union sense). I just wish creators were more imaginative in their renderings of these creatures, that publishers were more willing to expand from their comfort zone, and that audiences were more willing to take a chance.
Oh yeah, I think someone mentioned early on in comments that doing a lot of old-fashioned domestic women’s work means you’re probably stronger than a gamer dude? My sister’s high school boyfriend basically decided to test that theory (because he was curious, not because he thought he knew the answer) by asking a neighbor to arm wrestle with him. She had immigrated from Bosnia and didn’t use kitchen gadgets for cooking. She won.
This jumper dude should talk to some WWII-era Russian, Ukrainian or Polish partisans. He’d be surprised what some little, frail 14-year-old girls can do. And what some burly, tough-talking men can’t. Especially in the midst of a real apocalypse.
RE: closetpuritan
I’ve done some cleaning jobs back in the day. Scrubbing and heavy mopping can be pretty strenuous. I actually had to rest when I recently cleaned a guy’s house–though that was partly because it was miserably humid, and there were no fans or AC in the rooms I was cleaning in. So I walked to the guy’s house from the bus stop, got hot, and just couldn’t cool down for a bit. Once I stopped scrubbing things to death, I cooled off.
Anyone who thinks cleaning is easy has obviously never had to haul ass and scour a stove. *shudder*
Katzentier: I forgot to recommend, if you want to talk to some rat people, http://www.ratclub.org has a forum that’s pretty good. It’s a NZ forum but there are a few international visitors – I don’t go there much, don’t really have the attention span for forums any more, but it’s one of the better communities I’ve been a part of. 🙂
Yes indeed. I’ve heard those arguments and I find it very frustrating. Sometimes to convince clients who are iffy about desexing their puppy because the poor thing won’t be able to have sex, I will say “isn’t it worse to always want to have sex and not be allowed?” It seems to help. 😛
The most idiotic notion on desexing I’ve ever seen was in Desmond Morris’s (surprise surprise) book Catwatching. He was blathering about how terrible it is to neuter toms, and that they should have vasectomies so they can be Real Natural Males. He seemed to be of the opinion that it’s a dreadful deprivation for an animal to have no urge to have sex. The anthropomorphism was so OTT … it read like he had his legs crossed when he wrote it.
IIRC he didn’t make any suggestions about the queens. Tubes tied? Enduring mating after mating without pregnancy? I don’t know, but the whole idea stank of But What About Teh Menz.
Yeah, it’s always neutering that is soooo terrible… even though spaying is much more invasive and a more serious surgery. And besides the fact that cats and dogs completely lose the urge to have sex post-surgery so that’s a rubbish argument, cat sex is fucking horrible. Spiked penises, anyone? At least dog sex is usually a bit more egalitarian. :/
I can’t remember if it’s our German vet, who worked last in Switzerland, or the Norwegian nurses that came and did work experience that said tube tying actually is more common over there. I thiiiink Switzerland? Because oestrogen does help with bone density/joint problems – the same reason you desex large dogs older. The incidence of testicular cancer and pyometras just seems so high in entire dogs though, it doesn’t seem worth it (don’t know the actual statistics, that’s entirely anecdotal from working for a vet for 7-ish years).
@Hrovotnir:
The Swedish kennel club and insurance companies providing health insurance for dogs are crazy about statistics, to the point where researchers who want to study dog health come to Sweden from all over the world to conduct their research here… And it turns out that the frequency of pyo vary wildly from breed to breed. In some breeds, for instance, rottweilers and Bernese mountain dogs, more than half of all bitches who aren’t spayed get pyo, whereas in other breeds, for instance, Tibetan spaniels and Chinese naked dogs, pyo is very rare.
Presumably then, pyo has a large genetic component, and it ought to be possible to breed for less pyo. Unfortunately, in those breeds where pyo is really common there are also a ton of other health problems that breeders want to prioritize first.
Personally, I support the loosening up of breed barriers and doing more controlled crossing between breeds. If breeders had larger gene pools to choose from they wouldn’t have to do as much prioritizing of the type “okay, let’s accept breeding on dogs that carry genes for problem X so that we have a chance of combating problem Y without inbreeding”.
QFT.
The worst thing for me is all the bending over, with mopping, sweeping, vacuuming and dishes. I’m not even leaning over that far and whatever it is I’m doing, kills my back in ten minutes flat.
It is of course MISANDRY that all the kitchen sinks I’ve ever used are all set at waist height for the average US woman, or maybe a bit lower.
Also? The most effective way I have discovered of anchoring someone (who’s ablebodied and/or neurotypical) indoors and making it difficult for them to leave at will is to give them a baby or two to care for.
I am reading this thread, as always, on a lag, so all of my comments will probably have already been made before, but more articulately. XP
I have never thought about that, but now I bet I won’t be able to stop thinking about it next time I watch a zombie movie…
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:O_o:
wut? That does not make any sense.
I just recently re-read I am legend, and while I liked the concept, the way the author treated women skeeved me the hell out. 🙁
That is my opinions exactly. XD
and i did not have much to add on the pet conversation.
WTF? The way we neuter farm animals is completely disgusting, BTW. I will never get over the fact that my partner’s school went on a trip to a farm (in the 70s), and they saw all these pigs in crates where they can’t move, stuck in the dark, just hosed down periodically, and neutered with no anaesthetic. I’m not shocked it’s the awful, but I’m shocked that it was seen as so obviously acceptable that kids could see it.
That is super interesting! I wouldn’t have thought so. I guess it’s a matter of proportions: often very large and very small breeds are prone to the same issues, though this may be more large dogs. The thing that’s interesting is it must have something to do with the cervix: I’d love to know how that works. 😀
The thing is, there is no real need for outcrossing, or much outcrossing, to fix the problems we’ve created. Good breeders will often import from other countries for this specific reason. The issue lies in the fact that responsible breeders are outnumbered so so much by poor breeders.
There are people in Australia breeding “Aussie Bulldogs”: trying to make functional versions of British Bulldogs. If you need to artificially inseminate, and give c-sections to be able to carry on a breed, it is not functional!
It’s my pet hate that conformation, which is meant to be about functionality along with displaying breed characteristics, has turned into making dogs stuck in broken bodies. That and all these fucking -oodles and overpriced mongrels bred for no reason but they’re cute. Absolutely no caring about health (knowing your bitch has been healthy so far means squat) or temperament.
If you wanted to make a dog with traits that are different to what we’ve already got, and are prepared for the cost and time that involves if you don’t want to add to overpopulation, more power to you! But a goddamn Spoodle is not a breed. And it sure as hell is not hypoallergenic. *fumes*
Aww, hating on the poodle crosses? The aforementioned poodle puppy wasn’t pure poodle, the father’s a cockerpoo (totally ridiculous name, I know)
However, much as I loved the little guy, that pair of puppies exists because my former roommate got all “can’t cut his balls off *crosses legs*” like, DUDE, no one said anything about YOUR balls! (Lucky, he sorta inherented the cockerpoo when his previous owner moved into non-pet-friendly housing, and she’d long since called dibs on his first born, and there were only the two puppies, so finding someone to take the other one wasn’t much trouble [getting me to part with him was another matter, I’d have totally kept him if I could’ve])
Point here? Yeah ok, poodle crosses aren’t unique breeds, they’re cross breeds, but they’re still awesome. And seriously guys, they aren’t your balls, they’re your dog’s. (The female of the pair wasn’t sprayed because she’s purebred and registered, was going to be bred with another registered poodle, except she’s a TERRIBLE mother)
Fade — the only woman I recall is That Woman and isn’t his being questionable and [spoilers] level asshole part of the plot? Like, the beginning of “maybe he isn’t such a good guy”? I might be misremembering though, it’s been years since I read it. In any case, part of what really got me was the description of how society broke down, and the medical aspect of the virus — no handwaving “because we said so”, but an actual medical approach.
Falconer — you know they make baby carriers rights?
Declawing Karma:
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Unique monster:
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Furombies?
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LOL love those pics, neuroticbeagle. Never forget the drop bears!
Oh gawd, I’m going to Queensland in a week, I might be attacked …
@Hrovitnir – “There are people in Australia breeding “Aussie Bulldogs”: trying to make functional versions of British Bulldogs. If you need to artificially inseminate, and give c-sections to be able to carry on a breed, it is not functional!”
I’ve met a couple of Australian Bulldogs, and you can see the improvement in build straight away. Much better proportioned, bigger legs and hips.
My hairdresser owns a purebred British bulldog who has so many genetic problems she’s not allowed to breed from him. Not that she wants to, but it suggests semi-responsible breeders go on producing dogs they know are going to be unhealthy, even if they say they’re not to breed in turn. (Why they don’t desex the puppies before selling them is another mystery.)
This is what lots of people believe, but after talking this over with geneticists, I don’t think it’s true.
WARNING: WALL OF TEXT ON DOG BREEDING AND GENETICS
Take just one example: The German Shepherd Dog. Everyone talks about the hips in that breed, but they’re really not a problem if you buy from a responsible breeder. In the breed as a whole about 25 % of the dogs have hip dysplasia to some degree, but there are entire families that are almost free of it. HOWEVER, if you look at ALLERGIES, that’s a different matter. Allergies are everywhere in the breed. It just turns out that my GSD has a bit of dust mite allergy, and it turns out her mother probably has too (although allergies may not show until the dog is several years old, and they didn’t know when they bred her). My GSD:s breeder, who’s certainly a very responsible person, felt when this showed up that she almost despaired and wanted to give up breeding. I don’t think she was being quite serious, I do think she’s gonna go on breeding, but I understand her feeling.
Now that’s GSD; a breed that is, according to insurance company statistics, “medium-ill”, and on par with mixed breeds when it comes to veterinary visits. Many people have this mistaken idea that mixes are miraculously healthy because they’re mixes, and that’s not true – 99 % of all mixed dogs have been bred by clueless people. But I really think that carefully mixing in a bit of Belgian shepherd dogs, a breed which isn’t allergy prone, in the GSD, could help the allergy issue by bringing in new, not-allergy-prone genes.
And there are breeds that are far, far, FAR worse off than the GSD. If you look at the boxer, for instance, about 70 % of the individuals in the breed develop spyndolosis (spinal problem) during their lifetime, tumor diseases are super common in the breed, they have the same amount of hip and elbow problems as the GSD plus knee cap problems are common, about half the breed is believed to have a slight heart malfunction and so on. If you look at the English Bulldog, 30 % of the breed have breathing difficulties, almost 100 % have hip dysplasia, about 15 % have a faulty immune defense and overall their diseases are too numerous to count. In these breeds, considering the fact that the situation is probably (although to what extent there are statistics kept may vary) pretty much the same in all countries, how are breeders realistically gonna turn the breed overall healthy? They won’t, not even the best breeders. The most even the best breeders can do in these breeds is to lower the frequency of some problems over a very long time, but meanwhile, other problems can grow in frequency if they’re not focused on.
Exaggerated beauty ideals in conformation shows get a lot of media attention, but one cause of health problems which is rarely mentioned is entire breeds having low genetic diversity. Many breeds have been started, in modern times, on the basis of very few individuals. Many more breeds had lots of animals to start with, but at some point in the history of the breed, a certain male dog became so popular among breeders that his name can now be found multiple times in the pedigrees of virtually all members of the breed if you go back like twenty-thirty generations. This means that whenever you mate two dogs of this breed to each other, even if they’re from different countries, and even if they don’t seem to be related when you check their pedigrees and check back like ten generations, they actually have very similar genetic structure. This situation is like a ticking bomb; if the first individuals on whom the breed was based were very healthy, or if that super popular male was, then you can breed these dogs for a few decades and everything will be fine. And then the breed will slowly start getting sicker and sicker due to low genetic diversity. The only way really to combat this is crossing in individuals from other breeds.
And that’s why I’m in favour of allowing carefully controlled crossings. I’m not talking about this-and-that-oodles or creating designer breeds. I’m talking about putting new blood into existing breeds, and keep registering them in the kennel clubs. It’s been done already, at least in the Swedish kennel club, to some extent, in very few breeds, but I think it ought to be done much more in more breeds. The problem is that most dog people hate the idea of crossings and will desperately cling to the idea that every problem can be solved within the breed, even when this is completely unrealistic.
Ok, seriously, what’s the problem with the poodle mixes? Gods do I know the names are beyond stupid, but besides being called the hilariously stupid “breed” cockerpoo, he was a happy healthy dog. I mean, the pure bred poodle was a TERRIBLE mother, but those puppies where weaned the moment they were put in front of the dish and he went for food — he’s well trained to the point the pups were basically self training fluff balls.
So yes, cockerpoo is absurd, but cockerpoos don’t seem a problem. Maybe you guys have more pure bred dogs? Cuz we have mutts galore and so many dogs in shelters with no idea their genetics — so intentional cross breeding doesn’t seem a big deal (besides the “you named it WHAT?!” part)
Semi-related hilarious story — we brought the cockerpoo and the puppy we held onto up here for Christmas when the puppy was like 4 months old. I warned my mother that I wasn’t sure he was really housebroken, she was fine with this. Get here and she offers to take them out when she takes my father’s idiot mutt out. Toy sized mostly poodle dog, foot of snow. What’s he do? Play in it like it was the coolest thing ever. And since everyone else is going potty, hey maybe I should go out here!
Puked in my lap on the way back to Pittsburgh, but was a dream while here. (It was a blizzard, and his third time in a car, and he got it on my entirely washable coat, so I was less pissy and more “poor puppy, stupid weather!”)
Yeah, seriously, I’ve had great experiences with poodle mixes, in shelter and out, so I’m not getting the hate either.
I don’t know that cockerpoo is much sillier as a name than labradoodle. That being said, they seem like amiable enough dogs – not their fault that they were named by idiots.
Other crossbreeds with silly names:
Pointer x setter = poinsetter
Dachshund x terrier = derriere
Irish setter x English Springer spaniel = Irish Springer
Malamute x pointer = moot point
Bulldog x shi tzu = bullshitz
Please tell me those are jokes?
Not the labradoodle, that I know is a real one. Katz is doing funny wordplay and I’m just too tired to be sure of it, right?
Proving the point either way — those could be legit, because people give dogs, a breed mixes, stupid fucking names.
Oh! Guys! Omega dog totally stole my heart! Omega theory works! (Actually, there were two, and we never planned to keep them, so they got labelled Alpha and Omega since beginning and end…look, it was 4 am, when’d been up all night keeping the stupid poodle from bouncing them off the floor, and the names weren’t supposed to stick!)
Wicked katz, you tricked me with the poinsetter and I was all set to say “I’d picture this” when I read it. 😀
Yeah, that’s the point. I like all dogs (and get rather shitty at big dog people being jerks about small dogs – they’re still dogs!), but overpriced, badly bred dogs created not to make a specific typeof dog with a good temperament and a specific look – just cross two dogs, give them a silly name, profit – piss me right off.
Bearing in mind that while I looooove a bunch of breeds (Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Irish Wolfhound, Rottweiler <3 <3), I am unlikely to ever get a purebred because there are way too many wonderful un-fancy mongrels out there.
But if you're going to deliberately create dogs, it's bad enough breeding your pet quality purebred, let alone some crossbreed with no guarantee of size/coat/temperament/health because they’re cute. That is not a good enough reason.
And yeah, the fact I like big, “scary” dogs does bias me against people who don’t want to learn anything about dogs; they want something that will somehow magically act like a puppy its whole life and are willing to buy whatever they’re sold, then have their untrained jerk of a dog jump all over the place while they glare at well behaved bully mongrels trying to get around them.
I know lots of lovely people with fluffy dogs. I actually rate Poodles, though I’d go for a standard. But it doesn’t stop me getting frustrated with the constant stream of effectively non-dog people feeding a market of unhealthy dogs while shelter dogs languish. 😛
I’m certainly not opposed to the idea personally: I find the politics of dog breeding painful.
The reason I think it’s possible is because my partner’s breeder did it. He has an American Bulldog. ABs have horrendous hips, and I mean horrendous. Prone to elbow dysplasia, allergies, mange. There is a disorder they can inherit called NCL that is easily tested for and results in death by 3-5, and a lot of breeders just don’t bother.
Our breeder has managed to bring hip scores down from 20 (unfortunately I don’t understand penn hip… 20 is pretty much guaranteed hip dysplasia) to <5 (3-4 is about as good as you get if you dog ever moves) in about 10 years. She's almost completely eradicated skin disorders in her dogs. By spending the time and money, and culling responsibly.
Plus, she will take back all and any of her dogs she's homed within their lifetime. She's awesome. <3