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Are Women Worthless Strumpets Because They Don’t Wear Men’s Suits to Work?

Why do the ladies get to stand in front? Misandry!
Why do the ladies get to stand in front? Misandry!

When you look at the above picture — a group portrait of the Congressional freshman class of 2013 — what’s the first thing that pops into your head? Maybe something along the lines of “there sure are a lot of white dudes in that picture!”

Not if you’re “Emmanuel Goldstein” over at Roosh V’s Return of Kings blog. No, he looked at that same picture and thought: American women sure are a bunch of worthless attention whores!

Why? Because some of the women in the picture have the temerity to wear … bright colors!

[N]ot one man appears in bright red, blue, pink or yellow. For the men, it gets about as radical as a light grey suit … The women, on the other hand, have never met a gauche shade of neon they wouldn’t wear. Why are American women so hell bent on attention whoring, precisely in the places where they say they want to be taken seriously? Why do women ‘fight for equality’ by swapping outfits with Bozo the Clown? Why are old white women so desperate to show us their wrinkly cleavage?

I’m not exactly sure how you’re defining “cleavage” here, EG, but I’m not really seeing a lot of it in this picture. Well, none, really. None cleavage. I see one outfit, possibly two, that might under some circumstances reveal a small amount of cleavage.

Not that it really matters, as EG’s outrage is purely for show.

He quotes the late paleo-con Lawrence Auster, who also professed to be similarly outraged by women and their terrible breast-baring clothes.

The way many women dress today, with half their breasts exposed, is an expression of total disrespect for men. Men are left with three possible responses. To grab the woman, which is illegal; to ogle the woman, which is socially unacceptable; or to affect not to notice the woman at all, which is emasculating. A culture that normalizes such female behavior—i.e. not only not noticing or objecting to it, but prohibiting any objection to it—is extremely sick.

Really? Men suffer because sometimes they see cleavage and they’re not allowed to grope or drool? Oh, you poor, poor fellows! Should I prepare the fainting couch?

EG then turns to Laura Woods, the self-proclaimed Thinking Housewife, who once declared

revealing dress in professional settings [to be] a last-ditch effort by women to salvage their femininity. They are living daily lives of masculine aggression and drive. They are pressured to destroy their inherent selflessness and desire to serve. They make their breasts appear overblown, near-to-bursting balloons as a way of diverting attention from what they have become.

Near-to-bursting balloons? Apparently Woods has been watching too much office-themed porn.

Naturally, EG agrees wholeheartedly with Woods:

Hers may be the most potent explanation yet. I have surmised as much about the ubiquity of the color hot pink, as a microcosm of this drive, and it’s popularity as a marketing tool to women. It is an impossibly ugly, tacky hue, yet women love it. These women are not feminine in any meaningful way, yet they think that having a vagina is something to be proud of. Wearing hot pink is akin to liking an anti-Kony group on Facebook to feel like you’re doing your part to fight genocide.

Wait, what?

Wearing hot pink is akin to liking an anti-Kony group on Facebook to feel like you’re doing your part to fight genocide.

I’m tempted to stop here, because there’s no way he can get any dumber than this.

But then I remember that I forgot to mention the one man who EG sees as the “male analog to the women I describe.” That is, the male analog to those whorish congresswomen and their oh-so-revealing pantsuits. His name, EG tells us, is

Buzz Bissinger, a GQ contributor who later checked into rehab for a shopping addiction. …  Oh, it turns out he’s had some homosexual encounters as well. I’d love to see a straight man test the bounds of ‘equality,’ and dress like these buffoons, and still keep his job.

Damn those bisexual men and their bisexual style privilege! Straight men truly are the mostest oppressed of the most oppressed!

Anyway, here are a couple of pictures of Mr. Bissinger, the male analog, evidently taken while he was on the job:

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As you may have noticed, he’s not exactly the “male analog” to the pantsuited congresswomen above, given that in the middle picture there he seems to be wearing NOTHING BUT HIS UNDERPANTS AND SOME WRISTBANDS.

You don’t see that a lot in the Congressional Women’s Caucus.

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Kittehserf
7 years ago

That was a cool reply she gave, Ally. 🙂

Rogan, on a happier note, hope you and Mac had the best anniversary!

LapDragon
LapDragon
7 years ago

*delurks*

Trotskyism – the belief that pegasi should move above ground at a faster than a walk, slower than a gallop

*relurks*

Dvärghundspossen
7 years ago

@Auggziliary: I know, it’s like almost every attempt to combat toxic body ideals in mainstream media (I think explicit feminist bloggers as well as the so called fatosphere is way better, but mainstream media and many mainstream popular feminists suck at this) do this by holding up a different toxic ideal instead.

Cay
Cay
7 years ago

Just one word: ties. http://i.imgur.com/zFOqhKQ.png

Kittehserf
7 years ago

LapDragon – hi, have you had your Official Welcome Package yet?

LapDragon is a cool nym. Makes me think of a kitteh who gets fierce if zie doesn’t get sufficient lap time.

SittieKitty
7 years ago

I’ve updated and alphabetized the MRA guide to -isms. You are all hilarious and awesome.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

Love it, SittieKitty! 😀

auggziliary
7 years ago

More about trans* stuff…
I was thinking today that feminists should be very pro-trans* since they show that the sex of a person doesn’t really affect their thought processes or behavior that much.
The differences in the sexes is pretty much just hormones. MRAs(and actually a lot of society even) act like males and females are two completely different species. Trans* people are evidence that suggests that the sex of a person is just hormones. I’m talking about the hormones trans* people take, btw, not just the mental part. I don’t mean to say that hormones affect gender, just that they practically change the sex.

Idk if that makes sense, im tired and I’m typing on an iPad, which I find difficult for some reason.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Ally

It is great when that happens. Luckily, my main source of gender-urgh was solved by surgery. I can get called ma’am forever by strangers, and it’ll annoy me, but not cause me the screaming face-clawing that bodily dissonance did.

RE: Kittehserf

It was great! Me and Mac got attacked by a rogue train, I got sunburned in an embarrassing way, and we wrote porn. We had a grand old time.

RE: auggziliary

I don’t mean to say that hormones affect gender, just that they practically change the sex.

That’s… a very romantic way of thinking of hormones. And not really all that true. Some people’s bodies radically change on hormones. Some people’s don’t. It’s all a complicated equations of genes, age, health, time spent on hormones, which hormones they are, and random chance.

Trust me, not all of us look like Loren Cameron or… uh. What the hell was the name of that model on TV…

Kittehserf
7 years ago

LBT – attacked by a rogue train? Now there’s a tale to be told! 😀

You guys had a much more adventurous anniversary than I had a birthday at Home. We just stayed in bed. 😉

Oh, but I made a sweater for Louis last night, the one I’d done a pic of yesterday evening. He was being such a tease about whether he wanted it, but gave himself away by rushing upstairs when I said it was lying on the bed. You should have seen him later when we visited his father and stepmother – Henri had been out at the kennels and was all doggy, and Louis was dancing around trying not to get hugged ‘cos he didn’t want dog hair all over himself. I told Henri the sweater hadn’t had its first layer of cat hair yet, he demanded to know if I was implyin’ his dogs were inferior, and I said no, but we have to live with the results if our snooty kitties didn’t get in first!

auggziliary
7 years ago

LBT, I guess that’s true, but the point is that the sex of a person isn’t really going to directly effect other aspects of their lives. The sex of a person seems to be pretty much hormone based*. It’s not like males and females have totally different brain wiring or whatever.
Sorry I wasn’t clear… Im tired as hell so I’m probably leaving out important… Um, things.
*The effects of hormones aren’t reversible sometimes… like puberty. However that doesn’t mean that its any less hormonal.

LapDragon
LapDragon
7 years ago

Kittehserf –

I had not gotten an Official Welcome Package yet, but I will gladly accept one. I think when I commented before, it was before the OWP was available.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

Aha, glad I caught up, then. 🙂

patronizingpatriarchy
7 years ago

This reminds me of the “scandal” of Michelle Obamas arms. OH MY GAWD, YOU CAN SEE HER MUSCLES.

Ally S
7 years ago

“RE: Ally

It is great when that happens. Luckily, my main source of gender-urgh was solved by surgery. I can get called ma’am forever by strangers, and it’ll annoy me, but not cause me the screaming face-clawing that bodily dissonance did.”

I can relate. I only get somewhat bothered when people casually misgender me (while I’m in guy mode, at least), but what really makes me feel blue is my dysphoria.

Also, I apologize for saying “Sometimes surprises happen” as though that’s a universal experience. I know you have implied that such things have happened to you, but I said that while automatically assuming that you’ve experienced that.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Ally S

Don’t worry about it. Many people, many colors. And I know some folks get social dysphoria REALLY bad. Fortunately, I am not one of them.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

What do you call the reverse? As in, being giddy when not ID’ed by your sex characteristics (er, um, the ones you were “born with”? What puberty gave you? Words are failing, brain too full of numbers)

In any, case, resigning myself to it never happening hurts less. (LBT, you saw me under winter clothing, but even then, you know wtf I mean here right? My anatomy is all in your face >.< )

Myoo
Myoo
7 years ago

What do you call the reverse? As in, being giddy when not ID’ed by your sex characteristics (er, um, the ones you were “born with”? What puberty gave you? Words are failing, brain too full of numbers)

As in, the opposite of dysphoria? I’m guessing euphoria, maybe?

pecunium
7 years ago

Here is some happy trans news from last week. Court sides with girl on her gender rights

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Argenti

Well, keep in mind, the vessel was fucking Barbie for a long time. I still don’t get read male much here… but that’s because I’ve gone off my hormones. Had I stayed on longer, pretty sure that would’ve changed.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

I…you…*jealous*

Sorry, I am both unable to form words, and not comfortable saying publicly the ones I’ve formed. So yeah, *jealous* (of the not looking like Barbie anymore part, not the being misgendered part obviously)

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Argenti

Sorry! I didn’t mean to be all like, “Ooh, look at me, I’ve arrived.” I just meant, you know. Maybe when you’re in a better place, you’ll get the opportunity too, y’know?

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

No, I get you. That jealous was the flip side of your giddiness at having “the surgery”, that’s all.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Argenti

Oooh, ‘the surgery.’ Makes it sound so… IMPORTANT. *laughs* Mostly, I had truly unfortunate chest endowment, where it was large and also (increasingly as we aged) PAINFUL. I couldn’t bind, and the only thing that helped the pain was going braless. By the end, I was constantly having to juggle pain dysphoria vs. bounce dysphoria.

Every day, knowing I never have to make those judgments again, I thank the Golem of Prague for the mercy. I might be out $7000+ but SO WORTH IT.

Dvärghundspossen
7 years ago

I think it’s kind of fun when someone occasionally thinks I’m male, although it doesn’t happen often. It did happen once in a while when I was working with the elderly. One woman was staring at me for quite a while before asking “You ARE a nineteen-year-old boy, aren’t you?”. “Um, no, 35-year-old woman, but whatever”. Another explained that it’s pretty hard to tell, and you can’t even just check the chest area for signs since I hardly have any boobs.

As I said, I identify as cis since I’m okay with being female, but I still think it’s funny (rather than insulting, as most women would) that at least once in a blue moon I could pass as male.

And then there was this time when a bunch of guys were cat-calling me when they suddenly got in their heads that I was a guy, and completely freaked out over supposedly having cat-called the wrong gender. Which was pretty hilarious, since seriously guys, what do you think happens if you accidentally cat-calls at a gender you’re not attracted to?

Kittehserf
7 years ago

Dvarg – but people might think they were TEH GAYZ!

Only time I’ve been taken for a man was when I dressed in full cavalier suit when I was about eighteen. Costume included a proper moustache and fake sword. I don’t think anyone seeing me face-on was fooled (not that I was trying to fool ’em, I was just doing it for fun) but some twit passing yelled out “POOFTER!” I counted that as a win.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

I’d think part of what they’d be worried about is that if they catcalled a man he might turn round and punch them.

Dvärghundspossen
7 years ago

Cassandra, maybe, but I was alone at this time and there were five of them, so I think in this situation they were more worried that they would somehow turn gay if they cat-called the wrong gender. Which is a really weird thing to worry about.

dvarghundspossen
7 years ago

Btw, on the topic of passing, I recently read this blog post by a transvestite man. He had arrived at an airport, and they had this routine check where a member of the staff feels with zir hands over the body of every arriving passenger to see whether they have, like, concealed weapons or something. The rules were that male staff checks male passengers and the other way around. So, in front of this guy there are a couple of other male passengers, and they’re checked by a male staff member. When it’s his turn, the staff person calls for a female colleauge. So our hero goes “No, that’s allright, I’m a man”. And then the staff person protests that no, he’s a woman allright. Our hero repeats “No really, I’m a man in women’s clothing”, but the staff was adament that he was a woman, and eventually he accepted having a female staff member check him just to get things over with.

Pretty weird, huh?

The only explanation I can think of is that the staff at the airport had recently been on some HBTQ education day, where they were told to assume that a person is a woman if zie’s got make-up and women’s clothing – and then they took this advice way too far.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

I’ve never understood that. People have some odd ideas about how sexuality works.

(Then again, I’m bi, wtf do I know about how straight people think.)

dvarghundspossen
7 years ago

Yeah, I’m bi too, so maybe that’s why we just don’t understand the completely reasonable fear of accidantily turning gay from misdirected cat-calling!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

The idea that one could in theory find oneself attracted to a person of the “wrong” sex doesn’t really make sense to me in general (if you’re attracted to them then surely they’re right for you in some way, yes?), but I’m trying to step back and acknowledge that the world may look very different to someone who’s straight. Which would be a lot easier if so many men didn’t use moments of attraction that they weren’t expecting as a reason to beat up the people who they were attracted to.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

Oh, those flippin’ scanners and security pat-downs. Genius system even without those issues. I was told I had to have a pat-down because there was a Questionable Bulge at my hip. (That’s my hip, not my groin!) “That is my hip, my right leg’s half an inch longer than my left,” I told ’em, but no, they had to convince themselves manually that my thin, pocketless skirt wasn’t covering something in a ridiculously obvious place. ::rolls eyes::

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Since the introduction of the cancer-ray scanner and the patdown that gets to 3rd base as the only alternative I’ve made a point of flying in very fitted clothes just so as not to give security any excuse to think I might be concealing anything under my clothes.

dvarghundspossen
7 years ago

To be fair, not all straight people are like that (NASPAL FTW!). Husband is straight, but he isn’t scared in any way of finding a man attractive. As a matter of fact, he has been attracted to men a couple of times in his life, but he still identifies as straight because these were exceptions. But it’s nothing he freaks out over. I don’t know if I could be with anyone who freaks out over being attracted to “the wrong” gender, since that reaction smacks of biphobia to me.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

The cancer-ray bit doesn’t bother me, I’d rather go through that than have the Let’s Get Familar With The TSA session. I’ve been through security twice in the USA, iirc (was it used for domestic flights a couple of years ago?) and that piece of idiocy was the only time I got attention from them.

I don’t think I have any tight clothes except underwear, and I’m not doing the butt-and-gut-hanging-out leggings look. 😛

I think we were getting that sort of security here, too. Not sure if it’s in yet, I don’t recall when it was being installed. Hopefully it’s not applicable for domestic flights. I’m off to see my sister in Queensland in a couple of weeks.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

NASPAL – food for doggy astronauts! 😀

There could be some great additions to the “not all” canon. NACALT, of course (not all cats are like that).

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

The one time I got patted down I was so tempted to start mouthing off, like excuse me ma’am but don’t you think we should at least go out for drinks first, maybe get to know each other a little? But then I realized that it wasn’t fair to be obnoxious to the people at the bottom of the chain for decisions that they didn’t make.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

My mother has both hips replaced, she calls the pat down her “TSA massage.” When she was flying a lot after my grandfather and aunt died within a month of each other, they got to know her, so it wasn’t too bad.

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

To be fair, not all straight people are like that (NASPAL FTW!). Husband is straight, but he isn’t scared in any way of finding a man attractive. As a matter of fact, he has been attracted to men a couple of times in his life, but he still identifies as straight because these were exceptions. But it’s nothing he freaks out over. I don’t know if I could be with anyone who freaks out over being attracted to “the wrong” gender, since that reaction smacks of biphobia to me.

Biphobia, homophobia–because being a “guy” is a performative peice, and if you get it wrong your man card can get revoked.

Which is why the whole man card thing is a totally shitty thing.

It’s like, um, guys, you can say Lee Pace is the prettiest man in the whole wide world. It doesn’t make you less of a man, and you can still want to sleep with women, not men. Denying it just makes it sound like you have something wrong with your eyes.

(because Lee Pace IS the prettiest man in the world, and I will hear no argument on this matter; the case has been closed for some time now)

SittieKitty
7 years ago

::googles Lee Pace::

Kinda looks like Ryan Gosling… Yea, he’s a pretty attractive guy.

pecunium
7 years ago

I’m straight. I can appreciate a good looking man, but it’s not as if I’m “attracted” to them. I live on a migration path for the local high school. I wear kilts. There are often boys who try to gender police me. Usually by muttering (though the one who went into dramatically falling down with laughter was precious). When I catch them at it I tell them I don’t care. This confuses them. I’m supposed to be uneased, and hurt, and defensive, because they are laughing at my “unmanliness”, or sometihng.

But as soon as I call them on it, they get quiet,and their body language closes up. I take some comfort from it. They know it’s not right.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

Back when Miranda still dated, I sometimes had the weird issue of straight men freaking out that I existed, trying to justify that I wasn’t “really a man,” and then hastily try to out-butch me. Cognitive dissonance out the wazoo! Gave me a bit of neurosis back in the day… back then, I was a lot less secure in my gender. Nowadays, I’m married and don’t have to deal with it.

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

I’m supposed to be uneased, and hurt, and defensive, because they are laughing at my “unmanliness”, or sometihng.

This is the thing, right here. The amount of rules and unspoken ‘This is So’ stuff that goes into it is EXHAUSTING. And it means running around ALWAYS CARING about what other people say.

@Sittie kitty

Pushing Daisies. That is all.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

Re: Howard Bannister

My impression of performative masculinity is that it’s something so hard and rigid that it LOOKS strong as hell, but due to its lack of flexibility, it’s actually brittle. And due to a really devout ad campaign, everyone insists it’s the strongest, toughest substance around.*

* unless you tap it in which case it shatters but ONLY BECAUSE IT’S SO HARD AND STRONG OKAY

SittieKitty
7 years ago

HB, I like this kinda guy, or this. They are totally different looks, I’ll give ya…

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