A couple of interesting reads:
Check out Escaping the Friendzone: The story of a former right-wing MRA on Jezebel Groupthink, a confessional mini-memoir by a dude who traces his “transition from misogynist, homophobic, right-wing MRA to raging intersectional feminist atheist leftist.”
Meanwhile, that guy who just got that rapey pickup manual funded by Kickstarter, Ken Hoinsky? Well, he’s apparently been quite upset by the criticism and is now pledging to make the manual entirely non-rapey. No, really. He met with the guy who started the petition about his book, and released an apology of sorts saying, among other things:
The concept that someone could interpret what I was writing to be a rape guide shocked me at first. But I took a long look in the mirror and absorbed all the great feedback coming in from across the Internet…
Here is what I realized: In the most offensive and controversial parts, I chose my words poorly. Very, very poorly. I meant one thing and people were reading another. THIS IS A MAJOR PROBLEM. I needed to seriously evaluate every last word of my writing to make sure I wasn’t encouraging sexual assault in any way, shape, or form.
Ben Kassoy of DoSomething.Org … graciously offered to meet with me to provide alternate opinions and insights to help remove all of the potentially harmful advice. I am proud to say that his was the first of many meetings I will be having with anti-rape and anti-abuse organizations and experts to make sure that the advice I am offering is free of any tinge of sexual assault or rape vibes. I will be rewriting Above The Game under their guidance and insight.
Right here, on abovethegame.info, I will be starting an international dialogue on how we remove the negative stigma and shame that drives men to seek out seduction advice in the first place. My name may have been martyred in the press, but I will be using this opportunity for good.
The answer isn’t censoring all dialogue surrounding the issue ala Kickstarter’s statement on banning all men’s dating guide projects. Women’s rights and “male seduction guides” can and should coexist …
P.S. To my loyal followers from reddit, you should already be aware my writings are not intended to encourage rape. So rest assured the final book will be in the same style you are used to. I’m just taking us to the next level.
Frankly, it doesn’t sound like he’s really learned much of anything from the experience yet, but if he actually follows through with his promised meetings with anti-rape activists he might. We’ll just have to see how that goes.
I guess that at 36 I’m way too old to be PUA:d. I don’t go out a lot, but if I do and someone hits on me, it’s always some guy asking me what I do for a living, and when I say “philosopher” they start asking me about that and going on about how I must be really intelligent and profound and whatnot. I’ll freely admit that this would totally be an efficient strategy if I’d been single or in an open relationship, since I’m such a sucker for flattery… Insulting the way I look on the other hand? NFW.
Sometimes I wish I had a reason to go to bars, because being hit on by PUAs sounds kind of entertaining. Or maybe I just get my misandrist kicks by rejecting men.
The latter, Emily, obviously the latter!
Oh I just remembered, I’ve actually had two other, um, strategies employed at me during the last years. One guy who started singing “I wanna know what love is” to me on his knees, which was actually kind of funny since it was so incredibly over-the-top, and another guy who always came up to me when he was drunk and started talking about how beautiful my tattoos are (I have lots of tattoos on my arms), occasionally also grabbing my arms to rub them. The latter was kind of annoying, but I still take that any day to some moron just whipping his cock out and placing my hand on it by force.
House Davis: We Do Not Sit.
Also, DOMA and Prop 8 overturned and on the same morning I get a Groupon for fireworks. Coincidence? I think not.
Ding Dong DOMA is Dead!
Oh, was that your script? If so, I should add you to the byline.
So I haven’t read either the comments or the article…just kinda popping to say it almost looks like the guy in pink is doing ninja turtle cosplay.
Might be tough for them to be a misogynistic douchenozzle, but it doesn’t stop them advocating manipulative or downright rapey behaviour, and therefore being a douchenozzle. It’s possible they didn’t – but the possibility of douchnozzlery is still there…
If DOMA is gone, doesn’t that open the door for full faith and credit cases between residents married in equal marriage states living in or moving to unequal marriage states? (Sorry, very US centric)
@opium4themasses
If I’m reading parts of the decision correctly, that’s EXACTLY what it does.
“some moron just whipping his cock out and placing my hand on it by force.”
Hate this. Happened to me at work, when I was a teenager. Got pulled into the sleeping bags (which hang up next to each other, lengthwise), and this creeper did just that.
The guy was about 25, super conservative, and spent all of his workdays either frothing about right wing stuff, or being sexually inappropriate and pushy. Totally gross. Harassment was part of every job I had as a teen, except ONE. Yuck. This was before widespread notions of sexual harassment being bad, and such existence of such HR classes (which I have taken at my adult jobs- Im 36 now).
I hate to think about all the new harassers PUA and MRAs are making.
edit function needed!^
I’m sorry that happened to you, Stacey. (I just mentioned it because it was apparently advice given out by this PUA who got funded by kickstarter, not because it had actually happened to me.)
Katz, I took the liberty of changing it from “We do not sit” to “We do not yield” in honor of her saying “I do not yield the floor” and made her a house sigil.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/c9b3ff814bea433c552ca6894235c62c/tumblr_mp0hieVtOZ1s5xmayo1_500.png
They didn’t have trainers on the sigil maker so I gave her a microphone instead.
I also made one for Leticia Van de Putte because she was awesome as well.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/ffd210622cd8bac72bc1dd32e19a9f78/tumblr_mp0i3gl0xz1s5xmayo1_500.png
Historophilia: Very nice. Someone previously made this one and I was all like “WTF? A stiletto? Where’s the pink sneaker?”
anadiomene – I now have the wonderful image of someone taking a PUA checklist with her to bars and starting to tick off items as the current douchenozzle trots them out.
I bet that would piss PUAs off mightily.
From the “Former MRA” article:
But some days I get burnt out thinking about and fighting about these horrible things that are going on everywhere every day. So I take a few hours and go to Powell’s or eat brunch and drink a beer and don’t even think about it. That’s what I feel guilty for. I can literally, at any time, stop dealing with oppression. Those being oppressed don’t get to do that.
That sounds like hell. But he’s a servile little feminist dog, gulping the dogma in great gulps, so that’s all that matters.
MRAs have too much self-respect.
I know, caring about other people is such a drag.
No, it’s careful and deliberate guilt-trapping, built up through years of existence in a tacitly anti-male society and then activated by feminist groups. I might argue that it is a form of psychological terrorism.
“No, it’s careful and deliberate guilt-trapping, built up through years of existence in a tacitly anti-male society and then activated by feminist groups. I might argue that it is a form of psychological terrorism.”
Can you at least try to not sound pretentious and stupid?
“MRAs have too much self-respect.”
LOL
I dunno, I’m a feminist man and I don’t feel guilt-tripped. I also don’t feel that society is anti-male, or that I’m being psychologically terrorized for my manliness.
You hear that, Manboobzers! TRY HARDER!
Your posts!
They confuse me, Oh Shouting Hands.
Adjourn, explain, the lie of the land.
What sounds like hell, is to be a burnt out wreck?
To able to not deal with oppression, cut it off, say “To heck!”
That’s your Hell? Dante’d be proud (At least his version had more… Pathos).
He gulps down the dogma, except on days he don’t
So just because he’s decided he won’t
Be a victim of apathy
every day
That’s Hell! Sure, I’ll listen to what you have to say.
MRA’s have too much self respect!
The greatest denominator of this is their tremendous neglect!
Of words, wisdom and wit
And their predilection for using the word “shit”
It’s a tacitly anti-male society
And it’s run by anti-males of great pomposity
And this enormousity
is most diffidifososiity
MY LOGIC IS UNDENIABLE IN ITS MONSTROSITY.
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Eh, I disagree.
It’s not too hard on me.
I’m pretty, you see – so the world is easier.
Because I’ve used my amazing wiles
to tame men and lead them down river wilds
so they crash and burn amidst the rapid rapids
And I like to gut them, like rabbits.
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You get four pauses to realize that was a joke, and the world isn’t anti-male. q: