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Heartiste: Men need to be able to hit their mates in order to “retain” them

A better way to retain your mate: Be a sharp-dressed man.
A better way to retain your mate: Be a sharp-dressed man.

You may know Heartiste as a reactionary, misogynistic, proudly racist dispenser of manipulative, sometimes abusive dating advice to would-be “alpha males.”

Did you also know that he was an open advocate of domestic violence against women?

Well, I didn’t, until a friend pointed out a strange little exchange on his Twitter account the other day.

Last Tuesday morning, apropos of nothing in particular, Heartiste made the following pronouncement:

When someone asked what sort of threats he meant, he elaborated:

The latter three items on the list (“Abandonment. Shame. Ostracism”) are standard techniques in Heartiste’s dating strategy, but the open advocacy of violence is, I think, new.

In addition to being repugnant, Heartiste’s argument here doesn’t even particularly make sense. Essentially, he seems to be saying that men need to be able to hit women to keep them in line so that they won’t have to … hit women to keep them in line.

Also, the phrase “mate retention strategy,” apparently popular with Evo Psych types, gives me the creeps. I’m pretty sure the best “mate retention strategy” is to be the sort of person your “mate” wants to be in a relationship with.

I did a quick search for the phrase, and found numerous references to two academic studies. One suggested that some women fake orgasms as a “mate retention strategy.” Another possibly more revealing one claimed that men of “low mate value” often insult their mates to lower their self-esteem so they won’t feel confident enough to leave. That seems more or less in line with what Heartiste’s general approach. And certainly, by any reasonable definition of the term, Heartiste and his followers are some pretty “low value” people, both as “mates” and as decent human beings generally.

I also found this reference to research by Evo Psych big daddy David Buss suggesting that violence — surprise! — isn’t actually a particularly effective “mate retention strategy.”

Also, beating up your mate is, you know, just generally a pretty shitty thing to do.

If Heartiste takes his tweets down, I’ve got screenshots.

EDITED TO ADD: Heartiste has really been going wild with the Twitter lately.

Here he claims to have invented the term “hivemind.”

After I pointed out that this belief was delusional, he suggested that I kill myself. Very alpha!

He’s also been on a bit of a racist rampage, posting lots of stuff like this:

See also here, here, here, here, and here.

Phrasing your racism in pseudoscientific terms doesn’t make it right, dude. It just makes you a pretentious racist.

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LBT
LBT
11 years ago

RE: katz

I love it! That sounds awesome!

Bob Dole
Bob Dole
11 years ago

@kittehserf

Actually, I was thinking FMA Homunculi. Might as well mention that while we’re talking about anime.

hrovitnir
11 years ago

Thanks for sharing AbominableSnowPickle! Is the second one walking on a skylight or running along a window?? 😀

SittieKitty
11 years ago

Thanks LBT.

Cthulhu's Intern
11 years ago

Wait, I thought Heartiste already advocated for domestic violence. Or was that someone else? God, they’re all so vile, I can never tell them apart.

Ally S
11 years ago

Cthulhu’s Intern, that was the guy behind In Mala Fide (Matt Forney, I think). But yeah, their names aren’t really worth remembering anyway.

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

RE: SIttieKitty

It’s a bit late where I am, and I’m writing revenge fluffy consentporn to finish the purge of orion from my soul, but tomorrow morning, I shall upload your prompts! Thank you so much for contributing!

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
11 years ago

It says something with the intern of a nigh omnipotent Thing from beyond the keen man, it who dwells in the cities of the Dreaming Dark and whoose mind, if it can be called such, reaches for the gibbering few among us amongst dark paths at night…

…. Can’t tell apart people because they’re too vile.

SittieKitty
11 years ago

No worries LBT. No rush.

Christo
Christo
11 years ago

Looking at Twitter, it appears that ole’ Heartiste is angry with you. 🙂

katz
11 years ago

RE: katz

I love it! That sounds awesome!

Cool. Followup question: My characters necessarily need to have their own backgrounds. I know Mac has his own history because of the soulbond; are there other ways members can have their own memories? And in what sense are/aren’t those memories connected to the physical world?

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

RE: katz

It’s possible for members to just come from ‘elsewhere’ without a soulbond being involved. Falcon’s an example–I don’t know WHERE the hell he comes from, or what he does. All I know is that once he came in wrecked, said he needed to stay here “a while” and didn’t manage to get out until months later, at which point he promptly returned an hour later bellowing, “THEY SOLD MY HOUSE!” Didn’t even know the bastard HAD a house.

The memories can be connected to the corporeal world, or from another. They can be channeled spirits, a bit like Kittehs, or they can be tentaclebeasts from the Planet Smoo, or from alternate histories. (“What do you mean, the Beatles split up? OH JOHN LENNON NO”) Or they might just pop up one day. There’s a lot of variety!

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Bob – I didn’t think you meant the Peking Homunculus, but that’s the only one I know and the image of Heartiste as a creepy little robot with a pig’s cerebral cortex and a penchant for violence seems very apt.

Jessay (@jessay)
11 years ago

Mate retention strategy, abuse and manipulation, tomato, tomahto.

anadiomene122
anadiomene122
11 years ago

So I see Roissy’s entire feed is basically dedicated to finding examples of serial killers who got married and/or had girlfriends. Because those women are a perfectly representative of that elusive Woman phantasm they’re so fond of…

guffaw-ferrets
guffaw-ferrets
11 years ago

Hrovitnir —

Internet twins! YES.

Makes sense, since David can only think up so many iterations of quirks and skill sets for his legion of ferrets, I mean sock puppets, I mean each ferret does at least one sock puppet but there are only so many ferrets type of thing.

And we all think MEEZERS are the best, second only to Fleshy Cats: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2421/3842401938_9dd844e118.jpg

Myoo
Myoo
11 years ago

It says something with the intern of a nigh omnipotent Thing from beyond the keen man, it who dwells in the cities of the Dreaming Dark and whoose mind, if it can be called such, reaches for the gibbering few among us amongst dark paths at night…

…. Can’t tell apart people because they’re too vile.

Well, to be fair, we are all like ants to the massive lumbering things that lurk beyond the veil, their unfathomable minds barely sparing a thought to the puny insects scurrying beneath their gaze. If a gnat stings you, you do not find its name and treat it like an individual, you squish it like the irritant pest that it is.
Oh, Horrible things. Horrible, wonderous things, spare us your gaze and let us remain in blissful ignorance.

(that comment kind of got away from me)

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
11 years ago

Man, I tried reaching for the massive lumbering things that lurk beyond the veil to fathom the unfathomable mind once, and all I got was a headache. And I woke up in a desert of bleached bones underneath a lightless sun, dustcaked horizons stretching towards infinity and an endless, ceaseless keening.

6 / 10, would not reach through obscure and eldritch rituals again.

hrovitnir
11 years ago

guffaw-ferrets | June 24, 2013 at 10:47 pm
Hrovitnir –

Internet twins! YES.

Makes sense, since David can only think up so many iterations of quirks and skill sets for his legion of ferrets, I mean sock puppets, I mean each ferret does at least one sock puppet but there are only so many ferrets type of thing.

And we all think MEEZERS are the best, second only to Fleshy Cats: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2421/3842401938_9dd844e118.jpg

*nods along with myself* I do likes the naked cats, though really their existence is a bit wrong considering the upkeep they need! Certainly not independent beasties. But freaking awesome.

I think I really ought to be rats in a ferret suit in a cat suit in a David suit. A bit weird, what with all wanting to eat themselves, but we can run with it.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Well, to be fair, we are all like ants to the massive lumbering things that lurk beyond the veil, their unfathomable minds barely sparing a thought to the puny insects scurrying beneath their gaze.

Here, are you calling the Great Furred Ones fat?

AbominableSnowPickle
11 years ago

Ah! Forgot how fast these threads move…I got to reading and lost track of time^.^

Q is Q because his shelter name was “Q-T Pie” and we didn’t like that much, and called him Q and it just stuck^.^

That’s Q on the screen door, another picture that I forgot to flip before uploading *blush* He still does it, though the curtain for the back door is more his speed now. He climbs like crazy! They love their cat tree too^.^

Meezers are the best! But I don’t discriminate…I love ALL kitties. Especially misandric kitties^.^

Uhm…I hadn’t thought of a nickname, though my user name is pretty long, no that I think about it. Uhm…Snow? Or Abominable, maybe? I don’t wanna be called Pickle though, because Ihate them so much^.^

I think Fartiste IS an FMA-style humonculus…Instead of Wrath, Pride, or Lust, etc. He could be…Asshole. Or Douche! (thoguh I don’t know how correct that usage is. I know I use it as shorthand for a jerk, but I can’t remember the site’s preference and I’d like to do it right) Or something, I’m tired and hurting a lot so my brain has kinda taken a hike at this point^.^

AbominableSnowPickle
11 years ago

Addendum:

If he were and FMA-style Homunculus, I’d pay good money to watch the Elrics kick his ass into next week. Winry would beat on him with her wrench and Roy could roast him and Riza could shoot him…

*huuuge anime nerd, I am. Huuuge.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Douche and its variations get used here a lot.

If you were in a bity mood your nym could shorten to ASP. 😛

Karalora
Karalora
11 years ago

Revolutionary Girl Utena

ZETTAI UNMEI MOKUSHIROKU

SittieKitty
11 years ago

AbominableSnowPickle, does ASP work?

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