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Heartiste: Men need to be able to hit their mates in order to “retain” them

A better way to retain your mate: Be a sharp-dressed man.
A better way to retain your mate: Be a sharp-dressed man.

You may know Heartiste as a reactionary, misogynistic, proudly racist dispenser of manipulative, sometimes abusive dating advice to would-be “alpha males.”

Did you also know that he was an open advocate of domestic violence against women?

Well, I didn’t, until a friend pointed out a strange little exchange on his Twitter account the other day.

Last Tuesday morning, apropos of nothing in particular, Heartiste made the following pronouncement:

When someone asked what sort of threats he meant, he elaborated:

The latter three items on the list (“Abandonment. Shame. Ostracism”) are standard techniques in Heartiste’s dating strategy, but the open advocacy of violence is, I think, new.

In addition to being repugnant, Heartiste’s argument here doesn’t even particularly make sense. Essentially, he seems to be saying that men need to be able to hit women to keep them in line so that they won’t have to … hit women to keep them in line.

Also, the phrase “mate retention strategy,” apparently popular with Evo Psych types, gives me the creeps. I’m pretty sure the best “mate retention strategy” is to be the sort of person your “mate” wants to be in a relationship with.

I did a quick search for the phrase, and found numerous references to two academic studies. One suggested that some women fake orgasms as a “mate retention strategy.” Another possibly more revealing one claimed that men of “low mate value” often insult their mates to lower their self-esteem so they won’t feel confident enough to leave. That seems more or less in line with what Heartiste’s general approach. And certainly, by any reasonable definition of the term, Heartiste and his followers are some pretty “low value” people, both as “mates” and as decent human beings generally.

I also found this reference to research by Evo Psych big daddy David Buss suggesting that violence — surprise! — isn’t actually a particularly effective “mate retention strategy.”

Also, beating up your mate is, you know, just generally a pretty shitty thing to do.

If Heartiste takes his tweets down, I’ve got screenshots.

EDITED TO ADD: Heartiste has really been going wild with the Twitter lately.

Here he claims to have invented the term “hivemind.”

After I pointed out that this belief was delusional, he suggested that I kill myself. Very alpha!

He’s also been on a bit of a racist rampage, posting lots of stuff like this:

See also here, here, here, here, and here.

Phrasing your racism in pseudoscientific terms doesn’t make it right, dude. It just makes you a pretentious racist.

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Ally S
11 years ago

My favorite strong female protagonist duo is Utena & Anthy from Revolutionary Girl Utena. Well, I guess Anthy isn’t very strong, but she’s still cool (and has purple hair, which is of course a plus).

I should watch that show again…

Ally S
11 years ago

Also, LBT, I’m very sorry that orion’s being an asshole to you. =[ Internet hugs if you want them.

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

LBT — happy loaches make happy noises!

http://youtu.be/TCK6bw5imIY

SittieKitty
11 years ago

LBT, how do I adopt a prompt? I know you commented recently on it but I can’t remember which post it was…

Gillian
Gillian
11 years ago

LBT, I can’t even… that other thread. I am so sorry. For then, and for all you have gone through, and for now.

serrana
serrana
11 years ago

Pretty kitties, AbdominalSnowPickle! Also, is there anything in particular we can call you for short?

LBT, I’m sorry about orion too.

Bob Dole
Bob Dole
11 years ago

You know the kind of villain who’s a manifestation of humanity’s (supposed) true, evil nature? Who, in many cases, lectures the heroes on how they don’t truly care about saving the world and are “just as bad?” That’s Heartiste, guy’s practically a Homunculus.

tedthefed
tedthefed
11 years ago

someone mentioning the greatest anime ever distracted me from defending evolutionary psychology, which I dont even like anyway.

Except Juri is CLEARLY the best character.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

I would say he’s Lust but he’s just not attractive enough.

Ally S
11 years ago

Except Juri is CLEARLY the best character.

Yeah, definitely one of the more underrated characters. I’ve always been the most fond of the main duo, though.

Oh, and Miki is adorable. ^_^

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
11 years ago

I tried watching Revolutionary Girl Utena a few times. My brain literally gives up trying to remember the story, and I just get carried away by how pretty it all is and how amazingly well animated it is.

Something… something… someone becomes a car… something something.

@LBT:

McGee’s Alice is actually a really cool game. Sorry to hear that guy gets you down.

Think of him as the Jabberwocky, and merely repeat:

‘Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;

q:

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

SittieKitty — I think you’re looking for this — http://baaing-tree.livejournal.com/tag/writeathon

MaudeLL
11 years ago

Sooo… is Orion MRAL/Steele? I’m confused.
What a sad little asshole.

Gillian
Gillian
11 years ago

@Kittehs Katie is delightful, thanks for posting that pic!

Kittehserf
11 years ago

@LBT – all the hugs if you want them. 🙁

@Bob Dole:

That’s Heartiste, guy’s practically a Homunculus.

I shall see him like this, now.

@AbominableSnowPickle – gorgeous kitties!

What is it with furries called Q and being a clown? Mr K’s dog Quadrille (usually Q for short) is just the same.

Ally S
11 years ago

I tried watching Revolutionary Girl Utena a few times. My brain literally gives up trying to remember the story, and I just get carried away by how pretty it all is and how amazingly well animated it is.

I don’t blame you. I still don’t completely understand the story because holy shit that symbolism X_X

Fantastic anime, though. The music’s great, too. It also has an interesting perspective of orientation and gender identity, IIRC.

SittieKitty
11 years ago

Ah, thanks Argenti!

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

RE: Fibinachi

Think of him as the Jabberwocky, and merely repeat:

‘Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;

Somehow, without ever meaning to, I memorized the first verse of the Jabberwock. I regret nothing!

RE: SittieKitty

The prompts still up for grabs are here!

And thanks for the assurances, everyone. To make myself feel better, I am writing the flufflies, happiest, most consentastic romanceporn EVER.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Gillian, my pleasure! Miss Katie had nuclear-strength Cute as a baby, and she knew it. She still exercises her wiles now at Home. Mr K is wrapped around that little velvet paw. 😉

Gillian
Gillian
11 years ago

@AbominableSnowPickle Those are some super cute boys!

Gillian
Gillian
11 years ago

Kittehs, she’d have me waiting on her paw and paw too!

Yotaka
Yotaka
11 years ago

Saw someone mention Revolutionary Girl Utena and decided to de-lurk.
I used to be just a *little* too obsessed with that anime back in university.

Anyway, hello everyone!

katz
11 years ago

Hey LBT, I was thinking about your guidelines for writing fictional systems last night and I came up with a story idea. It’s a system where the headspace is an inn and one system member is an “innkeeper” who doesn’t front but who manages the whole system. Other members come and go from the system because they have places they want to go or things they want to accomplish. So it’s sort of an ensemble journey story about the different people who become part of the system and how she helps them.

Sound interesting?

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

Also, holy balls, you people are awesome. Just today, you’ve pretty much doubled my writeathon attendance.

Orion is erased from my soul! I AM CLEANSED, BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND SIBLINGS!

hrovitnir
11 years ago

LBT | June 24, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Okay, fuck it, orion’s staggering narcissism and lack of empathy is actually upsetting me now. I need something calming and soothing, so I’ma just go off on my own happy tangent on Strong Female Characters.

Aww, these people really are a huge downer. I keep thinking I stop reading this shit, but ya’ll are so awesome! *torn*

Argenti Aertheri | June 24, 2013 at 9:18 pm
LBT — happy loaches make happy noises!

Oh god I love I love clown loaches so bad. And cories. I want them aaaaall. <3 <3

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