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Heartiste: Men need to be able to hit their mates in order to “retain” them

A better way to retain your mate: Be a sharp-dressed man.
A better way to retain your mate: Be a sharp-dressed man.

You may know Heartiste as a reactionary, misogynistic, proudly racist dispenser of manipulative, sometimes abusive dating advice to would-be β€œalpha males.”

Did you also know that he was an open advocate of domestic violence against women?

Well, I didn’t, until a friend pointed out a strange little exchange on his Twitter account the other day.

Last Tuesday morning, apropos of nothing in particular, Heartiste made the following pronouncement:

When someone asked what sort of threats he meant, he elaborated:

The latter three items on the list (“Abandonment. Shame. Ostracism”) are standard techniques in Heartiste’s dating strategy, but the open advocacy of violence is, I think, new.

In addition to being repugnant, Heartiste’s argument here doesn’t even particularly make sense. Essentially, he seems to be saying that men need to be able to hit women to keep them in line so that they won’t have to … hit women to keep them in line.

Also, the phrase “mate retention strategy,” apparently popular with Evo Psych types, gives me the creeps. I’m pretty sure the best “mate retention strategy” is to be the sort of person your “mate” wants to be in a relationship with.

I did a quick search for the phrase, and found numerous references to two academic studies. One suggested that some women fake orgasms as a “mate retention strategy.” Another possibly more revealing one claimed that men of “low mate value” often insult their mates to lower their self-esteem so they won’t feel confident enough to leave. That seems more or less in line with what Heartiste’s general approach. And certainly, by any reasonable definition of the term, Heartiste and his followers are some pretty “low value” people, both as “mates” and as decent human beings generally.

I also found this reference to research by Evo Psych big daddy David Buss suggesting that violence — surprise! — isn’t actually a particularly effective “mate retention strategy.”

Also, beating up your mate is, you know, just generally a pretty shitty thing to do.

If Heartiste takes his tweets down, I’ve got screenshots.

EDITED TO ADD: Heartiste has really been going wild with the Twitter lately.

Here he claims to have invented the term “hivemind.”

After I pointed out that this belief was delusional, he suggested that I kill myself. Very alpha!

He’s also been on a bit of a racist rampage, posting lots of stuff like this:

See also here, here, here, here, and here.

Phrasing your racism in pseudoscientific terms doesn’t make it right, dude. It just makes you a pretentious racist.

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CassandraSays
11 years ago

So basically what you’re saying is that being a tough guy from South Central is his fantasy?

I did ask him to stop wanking in public.

Zombie Marie
Zombie Marie
11 years ago

@LBT

You know what, I changed my mind. Now that you want the hug, I don’t think I want to give it to you. Have feminist metal instead.

Well, Greg probably won’t like it, but feminist metal is like hugs for me πŸ˜€

@kittehs

In much happier news, it’s my birthday!

Yay! Happy Birthday! πŸ˜€

Now I’m 50, can I officially go into Get Off My Lawn mode when necessary?

You’re almost as old as my mom πŸ˜› ::feels like a baby:: And, on the note of birthdays, here is some penguin (whore) cake* I made, inspired by manboobz of course: http://kitti47.deviantart.com/art/Penguin-Cake-363397624

*Note: just penguins, but we all know penguins are actually whores.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

LOL suggestive indeed, cloudiah! πŸ˜€

I don’t know if Louis has anything in mind for tonight (well, apart from the obvious) but it’ll feel like this anyway. (That’s a shot of a party Philippe threw, oh, last year I think.)

Zombie Marie
Zombie Marie
11 years ago

@kittehs

For some reason that pictures is filling me with D’awwws and I don’t know why.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Penguin whore cake, yum!

Fade
11 years ago

@katz

I would go so far as to say that, logically, there should be no difference, because logically finding out that a kid was being abused should piss you off.

It took me a minute to understand that, because I was still thinking of trollboy. X| I was like “no, I don’t think that’s what he (greg) said… i think she’d have to ‘disrespect’ him first…”

@pecunium

I just saw the other thread he showed up in.

my curiosity is waging war with my sense of disgust…

*sigh*

Which thread?

And, on a much happier note, Happy Birthday, Kitteh!

Re: the asshole line from Greg.

I can’t tell whether it was over the line, even for him, because literally everything he said felt like over the line

Zombie Marie
Zombie Marie
11 years ago

@kittehs

Penguin whore cake, yum!

I know I started this, but that combination is giving me way too a big fit of giggles.

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

RE: Argenti

I wrote that story specifically because Christmas in this system has become a pretty miserable occasion, and seriously, I know of NO Christmas story where someone has valid reason to be unhappy about Christmas where the answer isn’t, “MOAR CHRISTMAS!”

pecunium
11 years ago

History of Feminism. Didn’t get the level of response he wanted, so he came here to step up the rhetoric. Pretty standard stuff: the SPLC is a hate group or some such.

Fade
11 years ago

Ah. Well, I think I’ll let that summary stand and not read any more of trolly’s bs.

katz
11 years ago

Also, happy birthday, Kitteh!

Zombie Marie
Zombie Marie
11 years ago

@LBT

I finally got around to hearing that feminist metal song you linked to and I loved it! Feminist music makes me ridiculously happy. πŸ˜€

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

*sigh*

X makes me miserable
You just need more X!!!

No, never, go away now.

Viscaria
Viscaria
11 years ago

Happy birthday Kittehs!

Fade
11 years ago

@Argenti

Ouch, who said that? They sound kind of… not good.

Or did I just miss something that someone else said in this thread?

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Thank you everyone, again!

::feels like is having an online birthday party::

πŸ™‚

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

RE: Zombie Marie

Glad you liked it! Metal isn’t really my thing, but I enjoy that song.

RE: Fade

Argenti was referencing a story I wrote, in a series zie really likes. I was having a big bad case of the Christmas blues (which happens when you have no family, no money, and no home on motherfucking Christmas) so I wrote a story about people who also have reason to hate Christmas and finding a way to turn it into something positive in a way completely unrelated to the holiday. I wrote it in part because I kept running into, “You hate Christmas? Well what you need is a dose of CHRISTMAS SPIRIT!”

Fade
11 years ago

@LBT

ah, I was just confused. :

Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

And no, LBT (and the IS crew) needed cute little killer beetle larvae and dinosaurs. Which really sounds better to me even without the details! (Which I’m going to refrain from thinking about as I’m about to grab food before DAAAAATTTTAAAAA)

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Thanks, katz! πŸ™‚

Myoo
Myoo
11 years ago

Happy birthday, Kitteh! (sorry if it’s late, I only just caught up on the thread)

LBT
LBT
11 years ago

RE: Argenti

Unstable Housing! (Bonus sketch will have to wait until tomorrow.)

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Thanks, Myoo! πŸ™‚

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Whoot! Banana cake has been produced at work!

Zombie Marie
Zombie Marie
11 years ago

@kittehs

Yummy!

Speaking of cake, I have to make a whole one (decorated) tomorrow :/ *sigh*

It’s fun, but a lot of work. At least me and my mom (and fade!) piled our monies for a fancy mixer! πŸ˜€ (making icing= not fun)

and that got rambly. Sowwyz.