You may know Heartiste as a reactionary, misogynistic, proudly racist dispenser of manipulative, sometimes abusive dating advice to would-be “alpha males.”
Did you also know that he was an open advocate of domestic violence against women?
Well, I didn’t, until a friend pointed out a strange little exchange on his Twitter account the other day.
Last Tuesday morning, apropos of nothing in particular, Heartiste made the following pronouncement:
Depriving men of the means to make credible mate retention threats will assure that women need more retaining. #evolutionaryarmsrace
— heartiste (@heartiste) June 18, 2013
When someone asked what sort of threats he meant, he elaborated:
@ChrisCaroll1 Violence. Abandonment. Shame. Ostracism. etc. RT: What are "credible mate retention threats"? That's a new one on me.
— heartiste (@heartiste) June 18, 2013
The latter three items on the list (“Abandonment. Shame. Ostracism”) are standard techniques in Heartiste’s dating strategy, but the open advocacy of violence is, I think, new.
In addition to being repugnant, Heartiste’s argument here doesn’t even particularly make sense. Essentially, he seems to be saying that men need to be able to hit women to keep them in line so that they won’t have to … hit women to keep them in line.
Also, the phrase “mate retention strategy,” apparently popular with Evo Psych types, gives me the creeps. I’m pretty sure the best “mate retention strategy” is to be the sort of person your “mate” wants to be in a relationship with.
I did a quick search for the phrase, and found numerous references to two academic studies. One suggested that some women fake orgasms as a “mate retention strategy.” Another possibly more revealing one claimed that men of “low mate value” often insult their mates to lower their self-esteem so they won’t feel confident enough to leave. That seems more or less in line with what Heartiste’s general approach. And certainly, by any reasonable definition of the term, Heartiste and his followers are some pretty “low value” people, both as “mates” and as decent human beings generally.
I also found this reference to research by Evo Psych big daddy David Buss suggesting that violence — surprise! — isn’t actually a particularly effective “mate retention strategy.”
Also, beating up your mate is, you know, just generally a pretty shitty thing to do.
If Heartiste takes his tweets down, I’ve got screenshots.
EDITED TO ADD: Heartiste has really been going wild with the Twitter lately.
Here he claims to have invented the term “hivemind.”
Interesting that this pants-wetting manboob stole the Chateau Heartiste coinage "hivemind." A reader is outed! http://t.co/F729vnZLRe
— heartiste (@heartiste) June 24, 2013
After I pointed out that this belief was delusional, he suggested that I kill myself. Very alpha!
He’s also been on a bit of a racist rampage, posting lots of stuff like this:
What leftoids see as "white privilege" is just organically emergent consequences of biological realities. They know this, so they lie.
— heartiste (@heartiste) June 25, 2013
See also here, here, here, here, and here.
Phrasing your racism in pseudoscientific terms doesn’t make it right, dude. It just makes you a pretentious racist.
Sorry but that’s so far from real logic that all I can score it as is a faulty premise. I guess 2 points for formal fallacies since they’re harder to commit? (That makes him at 10 FTR)
RE: Greg Wright
Only bullies mock people.
So, seeing as this site identifies as a mockery site in the top righthand corner, you knew that we were full of bullies. Since we’re online, you can’t physically attack us so again: why are you here?
Weeee I win!
Whatever makes you happy, I suppose.
@ fade
Yes it is.
George is going to get found not guilty too. Travon was a gang banger and he attacked George.
But you have a superhero to fight him!
Argenti: I think OF called me uncouth last week. Something about my barbs.
No, you don’t. You’re still a violent asshole.
Greg won, y’all. Sorry. Time to shut down the site forever.
It’s been a good run, but … well. He’s got us cornered. I’ll get the lights on the way out.
Okay, I’ve only skimmed this thread a bit, but… When I was very mentally ill and living on welfare, I thought I was possessed by demons, but now I learn that I actually was a demon myself? Interesting. Did I become human later on, when I got a job? Can demons turn human? Or am I still a demon? If so, ought I to tell my employer?
If that’s how you deal with people, Greg, then you need to be in jail. That’s escalation and sexual assault. By your own reckoning, you’re an inhuman demonic creature who should be shot in the neck and left for dead in some desert.
You have to be a poe. No one is this stupid.
It takes a racist coward to champion a racist coward, I guess.
@Dvärghundspossen
Demons can turn into humans, but only at the cost of losing all their dark power.
@Greg
No. No it’s not. Go to hell.
So. Trying to get this right. You think getting mocked for being an abuse apologist is worse than thinking people who are rude to you should die?
@Aregnti Aertheri
Oh.
Wow. Um, every other single story I’ve ever heard has been the other way around, that Zimmeran killed an unarmed teenager. Also, you’re a dispicable human being. Also also: Even if he gets found not guilty doesn’t make him right.
MRA sites do not advocate violence towards innocent people.
Yeah, but they define “innocent” as, “simpers when men enter the room, doesn’t, ‘get in his face”, won’t, ‘demoralise him’, ‘doesn’t, “embarrass” him in public’,and generally fails to please his boner; make sure his every whim is catered to.
Any of those, and he can break her nose and make her clean it up. If she’s too far away then she can be harrassed, threatened; her employers called/harrassed. She can be accused of crimes, put on list (like, “REGISTER HER”).
Those, those are totes ok, if she’s not, “innocent”. Mind you, lack of “innocence” doesn’t mean she was convicted of anything, just that a dude decided she did wrong.
Then it’s ok to sic the state on her (not for whatever it was she was reported for, but for ‘dissing him’ and being a ‘ratchet’). Or you can get your buds to beat her up; because nothing says manly like having women beat other women up for you.
Just like a pimp might do. A man’s man.
How did you people feel when Navy Seals killed OBL?
Ooh… a you people Way to go for the derail.
How did I feel? What’s the relevance? But here ya go: Justice was not done
Greg’s neighborhood
My google-fu is somewhat lacking but I think what Tulgey is quoting here,including the word “uncouth,” is OF’s own site.
@Dvarghundspossen
Of course you’re still a demon. all feminists are demons. Either that or cats. It’s hard to tell.
Being on welfare and minding your own business isn’t being uncooth and unhuman.
Being on welfare and instigating shit because you feel entitled to shit that doesn’t belong to you is being uncooth and demonic.
Being manipulative in order to “come up” is considered being uncooth and demonic.
You people know damn well what I am talking about.
Far left liberals can’t be this stupid like Rush Limbaugh claims.
The only one acting entitled here is you, Greg
@Greg
You are so full of shit
And yelling at people does not mean you deserve to be beaten. Fuck off.
Not sure. It seems to me you think these people shouldn’t be considered human beings, and I can’t think of any people like that.
Has someone already emailed David? Cuz I’m for banning Greg. He’s a violent, pathetic asshole.
Greg is still wanking about his right to beat up women who he deems insufficiently respectful?
Get lost, dude.
Someone who listens to Rush Limbaugh unironically has the gall to call other people stupid?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh wow, you’re really fucking dumb.
Greg: you’re the biggest pile of stupid in the room right now.
RE: Greg Wright
Travon was a gang banger and he attacked George.
Uh, no. Trayvon Martin was an unarmed teenage boy who was committing no crime and got attacked by an armed grown man, and he had no gang history whatsoever.
For someone who speaks so tough against bullies, you sure seem okay with grown men with guns killing unarmed children. This is why I can’t take you seriously, Greg.
what is this guy even on about any more.