You may know Heartiste as a reactionary, misogynistic, proudly racist dispenser of manipulative, sometimes abusive dating advice to would-be “alpha males.”
Did you also know that he was an open advocate of domestic violence against women?
Well, I didn’t, until a friend pointed out a strange little exchange on his Twitter account the other day.
Last Tuesday morning, apropos of nothing in particular, Heartiste made the following pronouncement:
Depriving men of the means to make credible mate retention threats will assure that women need more retaining. #evolutionaryarmsrace
— heartiste (@heartiste) June 18, 2013
When someone asked what sort of threats he meant, he elaborated:
@ChrisCaroll1 Violence. Abandonment. Shame. Ostracism. etc. RT: What are "credible mate retention threats"? That's a new one on me.
— heartiste (@heartiste) June 18, 2013
The latter three items on the list (“Abandonment. Shame. Ostracism”) are standard techniques in Heartiste’s dating strategy, but the open advocacy of violence is, I think, new.
In addition to being repugnant, Heartiste’s argument here doesn’t even particularly make sense. Essentially, he seems to be saying that men need to be able to hit women to keep them in line so that they won’t have to … hit women to keep them in line.
Also, the phrase “mate retention strategy,” apparently popular with Evo Psych types, gives me the creeps. I’m pretty sure the best “mate retention strategy” is to be the sort of person your “mate” wants to be in a relationship with.
I did a quick search for the phrase, and found numerous references to two academic studies. One suggested that some women fake orgasms as a “mate retention strategy.” Another possibly more revealing one claimed that men of “low mate value” often insult their mates to lower their self-esteem so they won’t feel confident enough to leave. That seems more or less in line with what Heartiste’s general approach. And certainly, by any reasonable definition of the term, Heartiste and his followers are some pretty “low value” people, both as “mates” and as decent human beings generally.
I also found this reference to research by Evo Psych big daddy David Buss suggesting that violence — surprise! — isn’t actually a particularly effective “mate retention strategy.”
Also, beating up your mate is, you know, just generally a pretty shitty thing to do.
If Heartiste takes his tweets down, I’ve got screenshots.
EDITED TO ADD: Heartiste has really been going wild with the Twitter lately.
Here he claims to have invented the term “hivemind.”
Interesting that this pants-wetting manboob stole the Chateau Heartiste coinage "hivemind." A reader is outed! http://t.co/F729vnZLRe
— heartiste (@heartiste) June 24, 2013
After I pointed out that this belief was delusional, he suggested that I kill myself. Very alpha!
He’s also been on a bit of a racist rampage, posting lots of stuff like this:
What leftoids see as "white privilege" is just organically emergent consequences of biological realities. They know this, so they lie.
— heartiste (@heartiste) June 25, 2013
See also here, here, here, here, and here.
Phrasing your racism in pseudoscientific terms doesn’t make it right, dude. It just makes you a pretentious racist.
Noooo borked the link:
http://lb-lee.deviantart.com/
Aregenti: already contacted the Dark Lord.
Greg: you don’t understand how this works. You make a claim, you back it up.
Why should any of us have to produce proof when you’ve categorically failed to produce any?
(but to answer your vapid question: does the name ‘Thomas Ball’ ring a bell?)
And the dimwit thinks MRAs didn’t praise Sodini. What a maroon.
Arrghhhh there’s an h in Pittsburgh! 7 years there and my grandfather always spelt it Pittsburg, drove me up a wall!
Also, another appeal to emotion. You’re at 7 points for the Spot! That! Fallacy! show. Current record holder is Obsidan at 20 pts. (2 for two appeals to emotion, and the 5 maximum for goalpost moving, and I give it 5 min before another for this whole make a claim insist we prove you wrong shit).
If I were Greg and I mugged (or claimed to mug, or had someone mug) everyone who’d ever annoyed me, I too would think that there was pretty much no violence on MRA sites.
Didn’t see anything on spearhead about voice boxes being cut out.
Let’s not forget about Angry Harry, who expressed an apologetic attitude towards a man bombing his wife’s house and asserted that abused women like being abused.
Greg: did you look?
You win the prize for being the most gleefully pro-violence troll I think I’ve ever seen breeze through here. The prize is my undying contempt. Enjoy.
I don’t think Greg’s reading skills are quite up to par for such a simple task.
hellkell — ok, I haven’t really formed coherent questions about presenting the data anyways, and I’d rather not be emailing him a ton!
Wow, Greg, you sure did look hard, didn’t you?
I saved the link — http://www.somethingawful.com/d/weekend-web/spearhead-forum-misandry.php?page=7
Anything that Greg has not personally seen does not exist and is inadmissible as evidence. Anything that Greg decides is true is automatically true and needs no evidence.
CHECKMATE, FEMINISTS.
According to Greg, a woman talking shit about you means she should get beat up.
This is not abuse apologism at all/sarcasm
and now you’re bragging about it. Seems to me that you are a disgusting fuckhead who wants to see people beat up.
@howardbann1ster
that is my thought exact. it’s like… ugh
Okay, my racist vocab is off, but is “ratchet” a derogatory word to refer to a black woman you don’t like? Because if it is, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?!
How about you read the site (manboobz) too see all of the examples yourself instead of trolling?
@Argenti: I had just now finished my 2.5 minutes of searching, and found that link, only to find you had saved it.
*heavy sigh*
@Fade:
Urban Dictionary on “ratchet”
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ratchet
I’m going to go way out on a limb and say, yeah, totally racist.
(and it does get worse…)
Totally fucking racist.
@ Howard
I saw that foul screen shot about the voice boxes. That guy needs to be shot in the neck and left for dead in Death Valley.
That’s not how I get down. I only advocate for bullies getting beat or killed.
Anyone can post on an MRA site. I use to be a subcriber to TFL until they kicked off members for getting a girlfriend.
MRA is suppose to be about male pride, educating men on the legal system, and training men on the trade craft of dealing with female bullies. It’s not suppose to be about killing or hurting innocent people.
But Greg is NOT an abuse apologist!
A ratchet can be a foul uncooth woman of any race. It isn’t just meant for Black women.
Advocates killing people for having odious views.
Then says ‘this isn’t supposed to be about killing or hurting innocent people.’
Is totally unaware of irony.
Greg is down with people getting beat or killed for being “uncooth.” Greg: stand-up fucking guy.
Ok, guys? Who thinks we need non-David mods in various time zones and schedules so fuckers like this can get the banhammer faster?
Because THAT is the appropriate response to calls for violence. Not violence. Violence continues to never be the answer.