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Heartiste: Men need to be able to hit their mates in order to “retain” them

A better way to retain your mate: Be a sharp-dressed man.
A better way to retain your mate: Be a sharp-dressed man.

You may know Heartiste as a reactionary, misogynistic, proudly racist dispenser of manipulative, sometimes abusive dating advice to would-be “alpha males.”

Did you also know that he was an open advocate of domestic violence against women?

Well, I didn’t, until a friend pointed out a strange little exchange on his Twitter account the other day.

Last Tuesday morning, apropos of nothing in particular, Heartiste made the following pronouncement:

https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/347004274779242497

When someone asked what sort of threats he meant, he elaborated:
https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/347007119414947840

The latter three items on the list (“Abandonment. Shame. Ostracism”) are standard techniques in Heartiste’s dating strategy, but the open advocacy of violence is, I think, new.

In addition to being repugnant, Heartiste’s argument here doesn’t even particularly make sense. Essentially, he seems to be saying that men need to be able to hit women to keep them in line so that they won’t have to … hit women to keep them in line.

Also, the phrase “mate retention strategy,” apparently popular with Evo Psych types, gives me the creeps. I’m pretty sure the best “mate retention strategy” is to be the sort of person your “mate” wants to be in a relationship with.

I did a quick search for the phrase, and found numerous references to two academic studies. One suggested that some women fake orgasms as a “mate retention strategy.” Another possibly more revealing one claimed that men of “low mate value” often insult their mates to lower their self-esteem so they won’t feel confident enough to leave. That seems more or less in line with what Heartiste’s general approach. And certainly, by any reasonable definition of the term, Heartiste and his followers are some pretty “low value” people, both as “mates” and as decent human beings generally.

I also found this reference to research by Evo Psych big daddy David Buss suggesting that violence — surprise! — isn’t actually a particularly effective “mate retention strategy.”

Also, beating up your mate is, you know, just generally a pretty shitty thing to do.

If Heartiste takes his tweets down, I’ve got screenshots.

EDITED TO ADD: Heartiste has really been going wild with the Twitter lately.

Here he claims to have invented the term “hivemind.”

https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/349246709110550528

After I pointed out that this belief was delusional, he suggested that I kill myself. Very alpha!

He’s also been on a bit of a racist rampage, posting lots of stuff like this:

https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/349630783830499328

See also here, here, here, here, and here.

Phrasing your racism in pseudoscientific terms doesn’t make it right, dude. It just makes you a pretentious racist.

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Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Sorry but that’s so far from real logic that all I can score it as is a faulty premise. I guess 2 points for formal fallacies since they’re harder to commit? (That makes him at 10 FTR)

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Greg Wright

Only bullies mock people.

So, seeing as this site identifies as a mockery site in the top righthand corner, you knew that we were full of bullies. Since we’re online, you can’t physically attack us so again: why are you here?

Weeee I win!

Whatever makes you happy, I suppose.

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

@ fade

Yes it is.

George is going to get found not guilty too. Travon was a gang banger and he attacked George.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

But you have a superhero to fight him!

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Argenti: I think OF called me uncouth last week. Something about my barbs.

Ally S
7 years ago

Only bullies mock people.

Physical violence beats hurtful words.

Weeee I win!

No, you don’t. You’re still a violent asshole.

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

Greg won, y’all. Sorry. Time to shut down the site forever.

It’s been a good run, but … well. He’s got us cornered. I’ll get the lights on the way out.

Dvärghundspossen
7 years ago

Okay, I’ve only skimmed this thread a bit, but… When I was very mentally ill and living on welfare, I thought I was possessed by demons, but now I learn that I actually was a demon myself? Interesting. Did I become human later on, when I got a job? Can demons turn human? Or am I still a demon? If so, ought I to tell my employer?

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
7 years ago

That’s how we dealt with ratchet ass chicks in the hood. She actually got off easy, because they usually get their vaginas and assholes super glued.

If that’s how you deal with people, Greg, then you need to be in jail. That’s escalation and sexual assault. By your own reckoning, you’re an inhuman demonic creature who should be shot in the neck and left for dead in some desert.

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

George is going to get found not guilty too. Travon was a gang banger and he attacked George.

You have to be a poe. No one is this stupid.

Briznecko
Briznecko
7 years ago

It takes a racist coward to champion a racist coward, I guess.

Fade
7 years ago

@Dvärghundspossen

Demons can turn into humans, but only at the cost of losing all their dark power.

Zombie Marie
Zombie Marie
7 years ago

@Greg

Yes, it’s okay to classify uncooth trash who live off of my tax dollars as unhuman demonic creatures.

No. No it’s not. Go to hell.

Only bullies mock people.

Physical violence beats hurtful words.

Weeee I win!

So. Trying to get this right. You think getting mocked for being an abuse apologist is worse than thinking people who are rude to you should die?

@Aregnti Aertheri

OBL = Osama bin Laden. I assume.

Oh.

George is going to get found not guilty too. Travon was a gang banger and he attacked George.

Wow. Um, every other single story I’ve ever heard has been the other way around, that Zimmeran killed an unarmed teenager. Also, you’re a dispicable human being. Also also: Even if he gets found not guilty doesn’t make him right.

pecunium
7 years ago

MRA sites do not advocate violence towards innocent people.

Yeah, but they define “innocent” as, “simpers when men enter the room, doesn’t, ‘get in his face”, won’t, ‘demoralise him’, ‘doesn’t, “embarrass” him in public’,and generally fails to please his boner; make sure his every whim is catered to.

Any of those, and he can break her nose and make her clean it up. If she’s too far away then she can be harrassed, threatened; her employers called/harrassed. She can be accused of crimes, put on list (like, “REGISTER HER”).

Those, those are totes ok, if she’s not, “innocent”. Mind you, lack of “innocence” doesn’t mean she was convicted of anything, just that a dude decided she did wrong.

Then it’s ok to sic the state on her (not for whatever it was she was reported for, but for ‘dissing him’ and being a ‘ratchet’). Or you can get your buds to beat her up; because nothing says manly like having women beat other women up for you.

Just like a pimp might do. A man’s man.

How did you people feel when Navy Seals killed OBL?

Ooh… a you people Way to go for the derail.

How did I feel? What’s the relevance? But here ya go: Justice was not done

Viscaria
Viscaria
7 years ago

My google-fu is somewhat lacking but I think what Tulgey is quoting here,including the word “uncouth,” is OF’s own site.

Zombie Marie
Zombie Marie
7 years ago

@Dvarghundspossen

Okay, I’ve only skimmed this thread a bit, but… When I was very mentally ill and living on welfare, I thought I was possessed by demons, but now I learn that I actually was a demon myself? Interesting. Did I become human later on, when I got a job? Can demons turn human? Or am I still a demon? If so, ought I to tell my employer?

Of course you’re still a demon. all feminists are demons. Either that or cats. It’s hard to tell.

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

Being on welfare and minding your own business isn’t being uncooth and unhuman.

Being on welfare and instigating shit because you feel entitled to shit that doesn’t belong to you is being uncooth and demonic.

Being manipulative in order to “come up” is considered being uncooth and demonic.

You people know damn well what I am talking about.

Far left liberals can’t be this stupid like Rush Limbaugh claims.

Fade
7 years ago

The only one acting entitled here is you, Greg

Zombie Marie
Zombie Marie
7 years ago

@Greg

You are so full of shit

Being on welfare and instigating shit because you feel entitled to shit that doesn’t belong to you is being uncooth and demonic.

And yelling at people does not mean you deserve to be beaten. Fuck off.

You people know damn well what I am talking about.

Not sure. It seems to me you think these people shouldn’t be considered human beings, and I can’t think of any people like that.

Has someone already emailed David? Cuz I’m for banning Greg. He’s a violent, pathetic asshole.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Greg is still wanking about his right to beat up women who he deems insufficiently respectful?

Get lost, dude.

Briznecko
Briznecko
7 years ago

Someone who listens to Rush Limbaugh unironically has the gall to call other people stupid?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh wow, you’re really fucking dumb.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Greg: you’re the biggest pile of stupid in the room right now.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Greg Wright

Travon was a gang banger and he attacked George.

Uh, no. Trayvon Martin was an unarmed teenage boy who was committing no crime and got attacked by an armed grown man, and he had no gang history whatsoever.

For someone who speaks so tough against bullies, you sure seem okay with grown men with guns killing unarmed children. This is why I can’t take you seriously, Greg.

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

what is this guy even on about any more.

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

This is why I can’t take you seriously, Greg.

Just that?

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

oh noooooo my first blockquote fail ever

Viscaria
Viscaria
7 years ago

I’m gravitating towards your Poe theory, inurashii…

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

Seriously, how many people here think Greg Wright is an upper-middle class suburbanite who’s never spent a week in ‘the hood’? *raises hand*

Dvärghundspossen
7 years ago

Regarding that “superglueing vaginas and assholes shut”… that’s incredibly nasty, but I suspect something Mr Troll here made up in order to shock us. Because it seems like something you couldn’t sit home and self-heal from; I think you’d actually die from that unless you got some pretty delicate surgery at a hospital. If this was common, wouldn’t it have reached media? I mean, mainstream media reports when women in Kongo needs surgery because destroying their genitals is used as a weapon in war – why would we never have heard about this kind of thing if it regularly happened in “bad neighbourhoods” in the west?

pecunium
7 years ago

Greggy: LBT, that walking away doesn’t work in the hood.

Depends…. weaklings who need other people to beat people up have a harder time walking away. I can see why you might feel the need to posture more.

Me, I usually walked away. When pressed, responded. Mostly I looked people in the eye, told them they didn’t want to do that and waited. Usually they left.

I’m still walking around, and I haven’t been shot, or stabbed.

No issues with you being what you are. I’m a finisher who takes the law into his own hands. Everyone can’t be the same.

Your a dude posturing on the internet about how tough he is. You are salting your comments with racist stereotypes, meant to get us upset.

I think your a fake, a poser. You’ve lied (the superglue shit is nonsense), and you’ve presented a caricature of live in South Central. I know, because I’m from that part of the world.

George is going to get found not guilty too. Travon was a gang banger and he attacked George.

And you’re black right? It’s not that there aren’t blacks who think Zimmerman isn’t guilty, but given the rest of the crap you’re spewing, this is out of character. You need to work on the verismilitude.

You are full of shit, and sadly you can’t keep it in, so it’s oozing onto the rug, which is sort of disgusting, because you also have your head up your ass.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Marie — yeah, hellkell emailed him.

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

*raises hand*

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

If a woman says that men need to be killed off until the male population is down to 10%, will she get banned too?

Dvärghundspossen
7 years ago

LBT, raises hand as well.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

Yeah, I’m with you guys. I mean, humans are impressive, but I think the likelihood of Greg Wright being truly this thickwitted and mean-spirited is far less than him just being a garden variety liar.

He’s probably sitting in bunny slippers and a bathrobe right now, playing Skyrim and checking 4chan between posts here.

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

Yep, I’m Black. So what.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

After a verbal eviseration, yes. Ditto TERfs.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

You guys! I know who Greg is! It’s Uncle Ruckus come to life!

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

Feminist and Manginas are funny.

WHITE POWER!

katz
7 years ago

Yeah, Greg’ll get banned post haste. David doesn’t look kindly on violent talk. In the meantime, on the subject of absolutely anything else:

Fade
7 years ago

even if he is a poe, he’s still horrible.

I mean, I do not get people who would troll for the lulz. “I know this is horrible but I’m going to pretend I think it anyway”?

Dvärghundspossen
7 years ago

Yeah, if some woman came in here and argued for some kind of gendercide, obviously she’d get banned eventually (nobody here gets banned right away, it’s always only when people have been spewing their shit for a while).

But somehow, I think the probability that a gendercidal woman would show up here is close to nil.

chibigodzilla
7 years ago

Yeah, I’m voting Poe too. He’s a black man who grew up in the hood, hates “gang bangers,” listens to Rush Limbaugh, hates people who leech off of welfare, and thinks that shooting unarmed teenagers is fine(as long as it’s not the “gang bangers” doing the shooting)?

Not impossible, just very suspicious.

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

If a woman says that men need to be killed off until the male population is down to 10%, will she get banned too?

Yep.

Zombie Marie
Zombie Marie
7 years ago

@inurashii

oh noooooo my first blockquote fail ever

You’re FIRST? I am impress.

@LBT

Seriously, how many people here think Greg Wright is an upper-middle class suburbanite who’s never spent a week in ‘the hood’? *raises hand*

I’d rather not guess (not going to stop other people) because most of my life I have been middle class, and even when my family mostly broke my mom still could go to her aunt for some aide. So I’m very priveleged in that regard.

@Argenti Aertheri

Marie — yeah, hellkell emailed him.

Sweet.

@greg

If a woman says that men need to be killed off until the male population is down to 10%, will she get banned too?

I’d assume so? But there haven’t been any cases of that that I know of. Though she’d probably have to double down on and defend all her bullshit, like you’re doing.

@fade

even if he is a poe, he’s still horrible.

I mean, I do not get people who would troll for the lulz. “I know this is horrible but I’m going to pretend I think it anyway”?

I know. “everyone thinks I’m despicable and should never be around another human being unsupervised. Hilarious!”

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

Trayvon was in better shape, a fighter, and he attacked George.

Self defense.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Greg Wright

If a woman says that men need to be killed off until the male population is down to 10%, will she get banned too?

Of course they would. Pretty sure they HAVE been–we’ve had a few TERF trolls in our time.

Feminist and Manginas are funny.

WHITE POWER!

Meltdown commencing in three… two…

Also, dude, my mangina can shove out a baby the size of a basketball. Can YOUR genitals do that? I bet not!

RE: pecunium

I was hoping you’d reply to that ‘walking away’ line. I’m not from that kind of neighborhood, but somehow I doubt everyone is constantly attacking and murdering each other there, with no other form of dealing with conflict. Otherwise there’d be no one left.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
7 years ago

Okay, I just caught up on this thread. Wow, what a mess. Everyone has done a good job dealing with Mr. Abuse Cheerleader, so I don’t have anything to add.

But if you do want a derail, how about what Claire McCaskill said to the douchey rape apologist? I had put this in the open thread for personal stuff but it was quiet there and this thread is way more active.

There is no war on men

Zombie Marie
Zombie Marie
7 years ago

@greg

Trayvon was in better shape, a fighter, and he attacked George.

Self defense.

Citation needed, you pathetic fuck.

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