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Heartiste: Men need to be able to hit their mates in order to “retain” them

A better way to retain your mate: Be a sharp-dressed man.
A better way to retain your mate: Be a sharp-dressed man.

You may know Heartiste as a reactionary, misogynistic, proudly racist dispenser of manipulative, sometimes abusive dating advice to would-be “alpha males.”

Did you also know that he was an open advocate of domestic violence against women?

Well, I didn’t, until a friend pointed out a strange little exchange on his Twitter account the other day.

Last Tuesday morning, apropos of nothing in particular, Heartiste made the following pronouncement:

https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/347004274779242497

When someone asked what sort of threats he meant, he elaborated:
https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/347007119414947840

The latter three items on the list (“Abandonment. Shame. Ostracism”) are standard techniques in Heartiste’s dating strategy, but the open advocacy of violence is, I think, new.

In addition to being repugnant, Heartiste’s argument here doesn’t even particularly make sense. Essentially, he seems to be saying that men need to be able to hit women to keep them in line so that they won’t have to … hit women to keep them in line.

Also, the phrase “mate retention strategy,” apparently popular with Evo Psych types, gives me the creeps. I’m pretty sure the best “mate retention strategy” is to be the sort of person your “mate” wants to be in a relationship with.

I did a quick search for the phrase, and found numerous references to two academic studies. One suggested that some women fake orgasms as a “mate retention strategy.” Another possibly more revealing one claimed that men of “low mate value” often insult their mates to lower their self-esteem so they won’t feel confident enough to leave. That seems more or less in line with what Heartiste’s general approach. And certainly, by any reasonable definition of the term, Heartiste and his followers are some pretty “low value” people, both as “mates” and as decent human beings generally.

I also found this reference to research by Evo Psych big daddy David Buss suggesting that violence — surprise! — isn’t actually a particularly effective “mate retention strategy.”

Also, beating up your mate is, you know, just generally a pretty shitty thing to do.

If Heartiste takes his tweets down, I’ve got screenshots.

EDITED TO ADD: Heartiste has really been going wild with the Twitter lately.

Here he claims to have invented the term “hivemind.”

https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/349246709110550528

After I pointed out that this belief was delusional, he suggested that I kill myself. Very alpha!

He’s also been on a bit of a racist rampage, posting lots of stuff like this:

https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/349630783830499328

See also here, here, here, here, and here.

Phrasing your racism in pseudoscientific terms doesn’t make it right, dude. It just makes you a pretentious racist.

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Viscaria
Viscaria
7 years ago

Not to mention the term “ratchet” is ABSOLUTELY used against WOC specifically don’t even play that game.

Fade
7 years ago

@Greg

Ah, so you’re just saying some women aren’t human beings and using a racist word to assert that?

That is so much better. Not.

Ally S
7 years ago

“A ratchet can be a foul uncooth woman of any race. It isn’t just meant for Black women.”

Assuming that you’re correct here, that just means that you’re using a misogynistic term.

No big deal.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Greg

No, I am not an asshole. I am a dick, because assholes get fucked.

You say this like I somehow expect to be ASHAMED of it. (By the way, guys, tomorrow is me and hubby’s sixth anniversary! WOOOOOO!)

Also, my dearest, darling Manboobzers! In honor of our pipsqueak trolls, I have decided that whenever one espouses a repulsive viewpoint, I shall write or draw about the reverse. So, in honor of Greg, I shall have to write about people in a tough neighborhood dealing with conflict in non-violent, healthy ways.

Anyone want to weigh in with other details they’d like seen in this piece of pacifism?

If that fails, I’ll take over katz’s duty and start posting Old Spice Guy.

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

@ Greg

Are you a pacifist?

Viscaria
Viscaria
7 years ago

…Greg… did you just try and sock-puppet but forget to change accounts? Wow.

@LBT

(By the way, guys, tomorrow is me and hubby’s sixth anniversary! WOOOOOO!)

Congratulations to you guys!

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Biff. Non-conflict.

That is all.

(Also, did Thomas get laid? Can I read it?)

Briznecko
Briznecko
7 years ago

MRA is suppose to be about male pride, educating men on the legal system, and training men on the trade craft of dealing with female bullies. It’s not suppose to be about killing or hurting innocent people.

Says the bully who posted his wanking material of ordering his buddies to beat up women who “disrespect” him.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Oh, congrats!

My brain shorted on Biff.

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

So let me get this straight, greg

You’re telling us that if you judge a woman to be uncouth, she is no longer a person and violence against her is not only ok, but advisable?

You are a piece of work.

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

I think Greg was trying to respond to LBT but got utterly confused. Which seems like it would be easy for him to do.

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

@briz

She was being a bully.

I’m not a pacifist.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Greg

Are you a pacifist?

Sure, why not. If it’s something you disapprove of, I’ll shit rainbows and dance with small children.

RE: Argenti

Biff. Non-conflict.

You are a cruel, CRUEL motherfucker, you know that?

(Also, did Thomas get laid? Can I read it?)

Still editing. When it’s posted, I will be sure to honor orion’s memory.

Briznecko
Briznecko
7 years ago

Nope, you just a bully and an asshole with the intelligence of a box of hair. Go somewhere else, you’re boring and you can’t even bother to troll properly.

0/10 Bored.

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

Howard, I was asking myself if I was one. I don’t walk away from shit until the person is handled. That’s how I deal with ratchets and thugs.Walking away can get you killed.

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

@greg

How would one of you feminist like it if a teenage boy lied about statutory rape, and your ass got sent to prison for seven years?

We wouldn’t like it, dumbass, but I don’t think it really happens much.

Katz is apologizing for people who lie about rape. Shame on her.

It’s cute when he tries to imitate arguments. No, Greg, zie (katz? I don’t know your preffered pronouns) is pointing out that it’s not common, and that many, many more rapists are let off the hook then innocent people sent to prison. That’s not any consolation for the ones that are, though, but it’s not a common occurance, like rape is.

@katz

Everyone will tell me if they’re getting sick of Red Stripe commercials, right? Because I could watch the Red Stripe ambassador all day.

I haven’t been watching many because videos dn’t always work on manboobz for me :/ Thoiugh you aren’t annoying me.

@Greg

She learned a valuable lesson that night. STFU or get jumped. She was known in the neighborhood for being a shit starter.

Actually, that’s not a valuable lesson, and you’re sounding more like an abuser by the second. May you and all your little friends go step on legos.

@ Howard
I don’t beat women. I end bullshit. I hate bullies regardless of their gender.

So you’re the creepy, pathetic guy who attacks other people who shit on him? You seem very violent, and generally horrible to be around.

Greg hates bullies?

Greg, you are a fucking bully.

You say a woman who talks shit about you gets a beating if she’s lucky and sexual assault if she’s not.

But you wouldn’t start anything with a biker, because anything that happened then would be on you.

YOU ARE A FUCKING BULLY, AND A WEASEL.

^BAM. QFT.

@Greg

BTW, ratchets aren’t human beings. They’re the scum of the earth just like gang bangers who mess up communities.

LIsten here, you little shit, you don’t get to decide who’s a human being or not. Human beings are fucking human beings, not disqualifiers. For example, you are a human being, just an amazingly shitty, pathetic one.

MRA sites do not advocate violence towards innocent people.

I just about died from the irony. MRAs, some of who have the slogan ‘fuck their shit up’? MRAs, who have Thomas Bell’s writing under the activism section of their blog? You’re pathetic, and either a liar, or too lazy to see who you’re agreeing with.

However, posters on this site want people to do nothing about being abused.

BTW, calling the cops is pointless. Restraining orders are also pointless. Buying a gun and defending yourself is the best option.

Citation needed.

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

No issues with you being what you are. I’m a finisher who takes the law into his own hands. Everyone can’t be the same.

chibigodzilla
7 years ago

Now who said that a person sent to prison over false rape charges isn’t a big deal?

I assume you’re referring to me. For what it’s worth, while responding about Brian Banks I did say “This is not intended to minimize the fact that he spent 5+ years in jail, […]” but the way I followed that up did somewhat minimize the jail time. So, let me be clear: that Brian Banks spent any time in jail for a crime he did not commit is reprehensible.

However, the case really points not, as MRAs would have you believe, to a widespread false rape reports problem, but rather to a falsely convicting POCs problem.
It is also a good illustration of how the US justice system uses FUD about maximum sentences to avoid taking alleged criminals to trial.

@briz

She was being a bully.

Greg, bullying stops with you.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Howard, I was asking myself if I was one. I don’t walk away from shit until the person is handled. That’s how I deal with ratchets and thugs.Walking away can get you killed.

Are you a liar or just stupid? Earlier you said you didn’t start shit. So these people are just randomly fucking with you? Uh-huh.

So tell me again how “ratchet” isn’t racist?

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

Why do feminists expect us to respect their opinions, but call us names for our opinions?

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

I don’t give a rat’s ass if you respect our opinions. I care that you’re a disgusting piece of shit abuse advocate.

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

Google RATCHET, and see if the term is limited to Black women.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Greg Wright

No issues with you being what you are. I’m a finisher who takes the law into his own hands. Everyone can’t be the same.

You do realize that Rorscach was fictional, right?

Walking away can get you killed.

This has been the opposite of my own experience.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

We already did, ASSHOLE.

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

Hellkell, there you go with the name calling.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

“You are a cruel, CRUEL motherfucker, you know that?”

I try ^.^

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

I call ’em like I see ’em when the assholes come here and shit up the rug again.

Briznecko
Briznecko
7 years ago

Again, that pesky problem with reading. Ratchet was already discussed and quoted upthread. Go be stupid somewhere else.

Fade
7 years ago

Why do feminists expect us to respect their opinions, but call us names for our opinions?

Wait, we’re calling you names? And that’s bad.

You’re assigning some people as literally not human. And that’s okay?

chibigodzilla
7 years ago

Why do feminists expect us to respect their opinions, but call us names for our opinions?

Which opinions would those be? That it’s appropriate to respond to verbal abuse with physical violence? That you should mete out vigilante justice? That “foul uncooth[,] [women]” are not human?

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

LBT, that walking away doesn’t work in the hood.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Right, Greg. You really think we buy your stories?

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Greg Wright

Why do feminists expect us to respect their opinions, but call us names for our opinions?

You realize this is a MOCKERY site, yes? This means we MOCK people. This isn’t FeministDiplomacy.com, we don’t go around reaching out to wannabe badasses. We MOCK shit. And when you come in with your absurd statements about assholes getting fucked, we will indeed mock you.

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

Why do feminists expect us to respect their opinions, but call us names for our opinions?

You’re not being called names, you are being correctly identified as an abuse apologist and an advocate of criminal vigilantism.

You’re saying that people who are rude to you deserve to die, and should. When you have asshole opinions, that makes you an asshole.

Why are you even here?

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

Yes, it’s okay to classify uncooth trash who live off of my tax dollars as unhuman demonic creatures.

Zombie Marie
Zombie Marie
7 years ago

@Discordia

yay for more artist manboobzers 😀 I’m going to go check out your page when I finally catch up with this thread.

@Greg

I don’t support violence just like cops who have shot suspects to death don’t support killing.

…I don’t think this sentence says what you want it to say. Because shooting suspects to death is a fucking problem! Especially since they’re only suspects.

How did you people feel when Navy Seals killed OBL?

Who’s OBL? Because I’d have to look zir up ,since I don’t know the initials :/

That’s not how I get down. I only advocate for bullies getting beat or killed.

You’ve demonstrated here that’s not true, through your words, you piece of shit.

MRA is suppose to be about male pride, educating men on the legal system, and training men on the trade craft of dealing with female bullies. It’s not suppose to be about killing or hurting innocent people.

In theory. So, so far from it, in practice.

@LBT

You say this like I somehow expect to be ASHAMED of it. (By the way, guys, tomorrow is me and hubby’s sixth anniversary! WOOOOOO!)

Yay! Congrats to you and your hubby! 😀

@Greg

I don’t walk away from shit until the person is handled. That’s how I deal with ratchets and thugs.Walking away can get you killed.

Actually, it sounds like you are so much more likely to do the killing. Please go somewhere very far away from people so they don’t have to be around you anymore.

Why do feminists expect us to respect their opinions, but call us names for our opinions?

Because you are advocating for violence against other people, which is unacceptable.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Would you prefer to be called a cowardice disingenuous scumbag who gets other people to fight his battles and then makes threats he knows are empty online? Yeah you talk big about shooting that spearhead asshole, but in reality you get other people to jump your enemies. Assuming that isn’t also all talk.

chibigodzilla
7 years ago

@LBT

Also, my dearest, darling Manboobzers! In honor of our pipsqueak trolls, I have decided that whenever one espouses a repulsive viewpoint, I shall write or draw about the reverse. So, in honor of Greg, I shall have to write about people in a tough neighborhood dealing with conflict in non-violent, healthy ways.

I like this plan.

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

I think that Greg might actually be George Zimmerman.

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Greg Wright

LBT, that walking away doesn’t work in the hood.

Somehow, I have difficulty taking you seriously. Why are you here?

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

Only bullies mock people.

Physical violence beats hurtful words.

Weeee I win!

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

OBL = Osama bin Laden. I assume.

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

Yes, it’s okay to classify uncooth trash who live off of my tax dollars as unhuman demonic creatures.

And it’s ok to classify violent, opinionated misogynists as dangerous, abusive assholes.

Fade
7 years ago

Yes, it’s okay to classify uncooth trash who live off of my tax dollars as unhuman demonic creatures.

A) I don’t think many of the people you’re insulting are as abuse apologist as you are, so where do you get “uncooth”?

B) I really doubt your tax dollars count for that much, man

C) you’re wrong

D) you didn’t answer why it’s okay for you to call people unhuman but someone calling you an asshole is over the line? WTF

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Yes, it’s okay to classify uncooth trash who live off of my tax dollars as unhuman demonic creatures.

You know, Greg, if you’re going to call someone something, you should have to know how to spell it. It’s “uncouth,” dear.

What did you win?

Fade
7 years ago

Shorter Greg

“Only bullies mock people! It’s so much morally superior to just skip to the beating people up part of the conversation!”

Briznecko
Briznecko
7 years ago

Argenti: You’re right, Greg is just a racist coward. Not to mention really fucking stupid.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Only bullies mock people.

Physical violence beats hurtful words.

Weeee I win!

I’m sure Argenti will tally your logic fails and give you a final score.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Wait, which troll pulled out “uncouth” last week? earlier this week? At some point my head was full of data?

LBT
LBT
7 years ago

RE: Greg Wright

Yes, it’s okay to classify uncooth trash who live off of my tax dollars as unhuman demonic creatures.

Damn! Well, he got me, guys. I’m totally a demon.

Don’t worry. When Greg sends a hit man for me, for the good of society, I will leave you all a huge stack of happy porn and nonviolence. BURY ME IN MY FLANNEL!

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