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Heartiste: Men need to be able to hit their mates in order to “retain” them

A better way to retain your mate: Be a sharp-dressed man.
A better way to retain your mate: Be a sharp-dressed man.

You may know Heartiste as a reactionary, misogynistic, proudly racist dispenser of manipulative, sometimes abusive dating advice to would-be “alpha males.”

Did you also know that he was an open advocate of domestic violence against women?

Well, I didn’t, until a friend pointed out a strange little exchange on his Twitter account the other day.

Last Tuesday morning, apropos of nothing in particular, Heartiste made the following pronouncement:

https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/347004274779242497

When someone asked what sort of threats he meant, he elaborated:
https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/347007119414947840

The latter three items on the list (“Abandonment. Shame. Ostracism”) are standard techniques in Heartiste’s dating strategy, but the open advocacy of violence is, I think, new.

In addition to being repugnant, Heartiste’s argument here doesn’t even particularly make sense. Essentially, he seems to be saying that men need to be able to hit women to keep them in line so that they won’t have to … hit women to keep them in line.

Also, the phrase “mate retention strategy,” apparently popular with Evo Psych types, gives me the creeps. I’m pretty sure the best “mate retention strategy” is to be the sort of person your “mate” wants to be in a relationship with.

I did a quick search for the phrase, and found numerous references to two academic studies. One suggested that some women fake orgasms as a “mate retention strategy.” Another possibly more revealing one claimed that men of “low mate value” often insult their mates to lower their self-esteem so they won’t feel confident enough to leave. That seems more or less in line with what Heartiste’s general approach. And certainly, by any reasonable definition of the term, Heartiste and his followers are some pretty “low value” people, both as “mates” and as decent human beings generally.

I also found this reference to research by Evo Psych big daddy David Buss suggesting that violence — surprise! — isn’t actually a particularly effective “mate retention strategy.”

Also, beating up your mate is, you know, just generally a pretty shitty thing to do.

If Heartiste takes his tweets down, I’ve got screenshots.

EDITED TO ADD: Heartiste has really been going wild with the Twitter lately.

Here he claims to have invented the term “hivemind.”

https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/349246709110550528

After I pointed out that this belief was delusional, he suggested that I kill myself. Very alpha!

He’s also been on a bit of a racist rampage, posting lots of stuff like this:

https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/349630783830499328

See also here, here, here, here, and here.

Phrasing your racism in pseudoscientific terms doesn’t make it right, dude. It just makes you a pretentious racist.

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pecunium
7 years ago

That’s how we dealt with ratchet ass chicks in the hood. She actually got off easy, because they usually get their vaginas and assholes super glued.

Cool story Bro.

(well, no: it’s a violently misogynist fantasy: revelatory about you, but bullshit).

Ally S
7 years ago

You need to fuck off with your graphic descriptions, I think you enjoy it too much.

Same goes for countless other MRAs. Seriously, that’s one of the major reasons I stay the fuck away from MRA websites most of the time.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Greg: this isn’t a blog about mocking hunters, dipshit.

That you can blithely dehumanize people says a lot about you, exactly none of it flattering.

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

@ Howard

I keep to myself, so I don’t anything with anyone.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Guys get shot to death in the hood for wearing the wrong color, but I don’t see anyone on here saying shit about that.

Aaaaaaand I totally misread “hood” as “woods.” The point about not that blog stands.

Briznecko
Briznecko
7 years ago

Despite flailing, Greg is still a bully and an asshole who doesn’t know how to properly troll.

-2/10 Because, bored.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

I keep to myself, so I don’t anything with anyone.

Yeah, you’re a fuckin’ prince who outsources your beatings.

pecunium
7 years ago

I don’t beat women.

Nope, you get other peole to do it for you.

I hate bullies regardless of their gender.

Unless they are bullying people for you.

Guys get shot to death in the hood for wearing the wrong color, but I don’t see anyone on here saying shit about that.

I don’t see anyone here praising it either. What I do see is you exulting in women being beaten (and fantasizing about worse things).

katz
7 years ago

BOO violence against women! HOORAY BEER!

That’s going to be the last one because Greg is getting more and more disturbing and I don’t want to forever associate funny beer commercials with disturbingly detailed fantasies about hurting people.

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

I keep to myself, so I don’t anything with anyone.

supporting my ‘masturbating furiously’ hypothesis

Ally S
7 years ago

Guys get shot to death in the hood for wearing the wrong color, but I don’t see anyone on here saying shit about that.

I speak for everyone when I say that none of the regulars here support unwarranted violence. Unlike you.

BTW, ratchets aren’t human beings. They’re the scum of the earth just like gang bangers who mess up communities.

Everyone is a human being. Hurting someone is acceptable if it’s purely in self-defense, but being a physically aggressive asshole in revenge is neither just nor a form of self-defense.

I shouldn’t need to explain this shit to you.

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

MRA sites do not advocate violence towards innocent people.

However, posters on this site want people to do nothing about being abused.

BTW, calling the cops is pointless. Restraining orders are also pointless. Buying a gun and defending yourself is the best option.

Discordia
Discordia
7 years ago

Love all the art!! My username is Debi626 but I just have a few crappy poems I wrote a while ago and haven’t updated…trying to write more though!!

Greg–what you propose, does nothing but keep esculation going and is assholey

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

MRA sites do not advocate violence towards innocent people.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you’re dumb.

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

I don’t support violence just like cops who have shot suspects to death don’t support killing.

Briznecko
Briznecko
7 years ago

MRA sites do not advocate violence towards innocent people.

A bully with the intelligence of a box of rocks. Color me not surprised.

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

Greg, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Everything you say about what to do about abuse is wrong, especially what you think we want to do about it. Fuck off or be funnier.

Ally S
7 years ago

MRA sites do not advocate violence towards innocent people.

credibility -10/10

However, posters on this site want people to do nothing about being abused.

Wrong. Nowhere did we say that self-defense is a bad thing. We just don’t espouse your disgusting violent revenge fantasies.

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

HELLKELL, SHOW, me proof that MRA sites advocate violence towards innocent people.

How did you people feel when Navy Seals killed OBL?

Briznecko
Briznecko
7 years ago

Aww, the toddler is having a temper tantrum.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

GREG: YOU MADE THE CLAIM, YOU GET TO BACK IT UP.

Unless of course you think baby girls aren’t innocent and SHOULD have their voice boxes cut out.

Go ahaed and search the Spearhead, I’ll wait.

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

MRA sites did not condone What Tony Powell did or the LA Fitness shooting spree in Pittsburg.

If you have proof stating otherwise, then post a link.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

An MRA pretending to be a tough guy from the ‘hood? Showing what a big man he is with his stories of beating women or getting others to do it?

Ho hum, just another day at the office.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Ok, anyone else want to email David or should I? I have a couple things to go over with him regarding All This Fucking Data anyways if you want me to do it.

Discordia — adding you now!

Pecunium — join us!

katz
7 years ago

OK, seriously, enough horrifying troll.

Everyone who isn’t following LBT should because they are very very talented.

katz
7 years ago

Noooo borked the link:

http://lb-lee.deviantart.com/

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Aregenti: already contacted the Dark Lord.

Greg: you don’t understand how this works. You make a claim, you back it up.

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

HELLKELL, SHOW, me proof that MRA sites advocate violence towards innocent people.

Why should any of us have to produce proof when you’ve categorically failed to produce any?
(but to answer your vapid question: does the name ‘Thomas Ball’ ring a bell?)

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

And the dimwit thinks MRAs didn’t praise Sodini. What a maroon.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Arrghhhh there’s an h in Pittsburgh! 7 years there and my grandfather always spelt it Pittsburg, drove me up a wall!

Also, another appeal to emotion. You’re at 7 points for the Spot! That! Fallacy! show. Current record holder is Obsidan at 20 pts. (2 for two appeals to emotion, and the 5 maximum for goalpost moving, and I give it 5 min before another for this whole make a claim insist we prove you wrong shit).

katz
7 years ago

If I were Greg and I mugged (or claimed to mug, or had someone mug) everyone who’d ever annoyed me, I too would think that there was pretty much no violence on MRA sites.

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

Didn’t see anything on spearhead about voice boxes being cut out.

Ally S
7 years ago

Let’s not forget about Angry Harry, who expressed an apologetic attitude towards a man bombing his wife’s house and asserted that abused women like being abused.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Greg: did you look?

Viscaria
Viscaria
7 years ago

You win the prize for being the most gleefully pro-violence troll I think I’ve ever seen breeze through here. The prize is my undying contempt. Enjoy.

Briznecko
Briznecko
7 years ago

I don’t think Greg’s reading skills are quite up to par for such a simple task.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

hellkell — ok, I haven’t really formed coherent questions about presenting the data anyways, and I’d rather not be emailing him a ton!

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

Wow, Greg, you sure did look hard, didn’t you?

inurashii
inurashii
7 years ago

Anything that Greg has not personally seen does not exist and is inadmissible as evidence. Anything that Greg decides is true is automatically true and needs no evidence.

CHECKMATE, FEMINISTS.

Fade
7 years ago

She learned a valuable lesson that night. STFU or get jumped.

According to Greg, a woman talking shit about you means she should get beat up.

This is not abuse apologism at all/sarcasm

and now you’re bragging about it. Seems to me that you are a disgusting fuckhead who wants to see people beat up.

Wow… this is reaching disturbing levels of violence against women.

@howardbann1ster

that is my thought exact. it’s like… ugh

BTW, ratchets aren’t human beings.

Okay, my racist vocab is off, but is “ratchet” a derogatory word to refer to a black woman you don’t like? Because if it is, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?!

HELLKELL, SHOW, me proof that MRA sites advocate violence towards innocent people.

How about you read the site (manboobz) too see all of the examples yourself instead of trolling?

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

@Argenti: I had just now finished my 2.5 minutes of searching, and found that link, only to find you had saved it.

*heavy sigh*

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

@Fade:

Urban Dictionary on “ratchet”

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ratchet

-has a weave reminiscent of a bird’s nest after a tempest hit the tree it was in, and is dyed at least thrice

I’m going to go way out on a limb and say, yeah, totally racist.

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

(and it does get worse…)

If spotted, please report to the authorities, notifying them that they are possible smack addicts, or potential, degenerate Chaka Khan look-alikes.

Totally fucking racist.

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

@ Howard

I saw that foul screen shot about the voice boxes. That guy needs to be shot in the neck and left for dead in Death Valley.

That’s not how I get down. I only advocate for bullies getting beat or killed.

Anyone can post on an MRA site. I use to be a subcriber to TFL until they kicked off members for getting a girlfriend.

MRA is suppose to be about male pride, educating men on the legal system, and training men on the trade craft of dealing with female bullies. It’s not suppose to be about killing or hurting innocent people.

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

@ Howard

I saw that foul screen shot about the voice boxes. That guy needs to be shot in the neck and left for dead in Death Valley.

But Greg is NOT an abuse apologist!

Greg Wright
Greg Wright
7 years ago

A ratchet can be a foul uncooth woman of any race. It isn’t just meant for Black women.

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

MRA is suppose to be about male pride, educating men on the legal system, and training men on the trade craft of dealing with female bullies. It’s not suppose to be about killing or hurting innocent people.

Advocates killing people for having odious views.

Then says ‘this isn’t supposed to be about killing or hurting innocent people.’

Is totally unaware of irony.

Viscaria
Viscaria
7 years ago

Greg is down with people getting beat or killed for being “uncooth.” Greg: stand-up fucking guy.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Ok, guys? Who thinks we need non-David mods in various time zones and schedules so fuckers like this can get the banhammer faster?

Because THAT is the appropriate response to calls for violence. Not violence. Violence continues to never be the answer.

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