So my Mighty White of You post — about the demographics of the Men’s Rights subreddit — drew the attention of Obsidian, a longtime Manosphere blogger who has been described by some of his comrades as “the Blackest Man of the Manosphere” (not that this is much of an accomplishment in that lily-white world). He stuck around for some not-terribly productive discussions of race and feminism, pickup artistry, and I can’t remember the rest because I just sort of stopped caring after a while.
But there was one thing he said — a passing remark in a long comment — that stood out to some of the commenters here, and which I thought was revealing enough to warrant highlighting in a post:
I don’t support rape for a very simple reason – because it’s not necessary. A Man with Game doesn’t need to rape anyone.
That … is not a good reason to “not support” rape.
Really, that’s probably the worst reason to “not support” rape besides “I don’t have enough time in my busy schedule to rape anyone today” or “I might muss up my new suit raping someone.”
Do you really need to search for reasons to “not support” rape beyond, you know, the idea that violating other people for your own selfish pleasure is wrong?
PUAs: Even the ones who aren’t directly advocating sexual assault have some pretty fucked up ideas about rape.
“If a guy has the means to get the kinds of sexual relationships he wants with Women, his chances of raping them go down considerably.”
Obsidian that’s objectively wrong, a majority of women are raped by people that they are in sexual relationships with or have been in the past.
In fact the number is 64%. Source http://www.americanbar.org/groups/domestic_violence/resources/statistics.html
http://www.nij.gov/pubs-sum/183781.htm
In a survey of college students it was indicated that this number could in fact be as high as 84%
http://rwu.edu/campus-life/health-counseling/counseling-center/sexual-assault/rape-myths-and-fac
The idea that men rape because they don’t get enough sex is utterly false and a deeply damaging idea.
Sorry, Aaliyah, I’d have to agree with BritterSweet. I found Diogenes more annoying than boring. Obsidian, on the other hand, is like a movie theater with no popcorn or soda by yourself playing Andy Warhol’s Empire and you can’t leave until it’s over. Except in this case I have every right to just not read his stuff but I just choose to.
Also, for the love of god, could you please use blockquotes, Obsidian?
@historophilia
Statistics are Misandry!
@Argenti Aertheri – I mean, I’m pretty lily white myself, unless you count Irish as not white (and since I’m in North America, I’ll then laugh my ass off at someone saying Irish isn’t white over here), but I wouldn’t mind doing the survey. For science!
Diogenes at least had the courage of his convictions. He would try to make an actual argument, and then defend it. They were shit arguments, and he was prone to ridiculous appeals to his own authority, and putative expertise, but you could actually argue with him; to some degree.
He was also less of a one-note Johnny.
So he was less dull.
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@Nepenthe 😛
Actually if you want real Misandry, the idea that large numbers of men will decide to rape if they can’t find people to have sex with them consensually is pretty much smack on the nose.
Apparently lack of sex turns men into ravening rape-beasts. Real advocates for men the MRA.
It baffles me slightly how MRA’s will simultaneously say that Feminists say that all men are rapists and that this makes them evil and then gaily trot out stuff which essentially amounts to “All men are rapists”.
I’m not so sure about that. When other trolls, including Dio, posted their crap, I would find it annoying. Sometimes to the point where I’d give my screen the middle finger. With O…there’s nothing.
Dustydeste — ehh, I’ll add it anyways, it’ll take like a minute and I’m trying to be as inclusive as possible 🙂
And just Argenti is fine.
Perhaps I don’t remember much about Diogenes. I mostly saw him towards the end of his stay, when he just popped up randomly in threads to say stupid dull shit. Did he change over time?
@ historophilia
Feminists hate rapists. Guess who translates that into “all men.”
Ah, yeah, I couldn’t remember off the top of my head which bit your preferred, so I figured I was safe with the whole thing 🙂
I’m fine with just deste, myself. Not that I’ve said so before, haha, but first time for everything!
@historophilia
You would say that, because you’re a statistics-loving biotruth-denier and either a beta mangina or a *shudder* feemale. The feelings in your SOUL should be all the proof you need that Feminists are evil and the MRM is the Way.
Sorry guys. I just thought we needed a higher level of trolling in this thread.
Oh also, and excuse my ignorance here, but where are we to find said survey? I’m sure it’s been said, but I must have missed it.
Dunno about Obsidian, but I spot a unicorn here: There is no such thing as a need to rape women.
Deste — it’s not up yet, I’m still running it by anyone who wants to be a guinea pig and give me feedback. Drop me a line at my full nym at gmail is you want to give the draft version a once over!
Oh god, OF is still commenting?? He’s so boring and doesn’t say anything new… And he still hasn’t said shit about my challenge to him, which was:
A) articulate the discussions at hand specifically.
B) state a position on it and reference those assertions.
And I’m really tired of people who are all like “Oh, but I didn’t *literally* say that”. It’s a bullshit weasel excuse to get out of being accused of saying shitty things. OF, you are being a weasel, which is less appealing than it even sounds. Words mean things, and they imply things. Much of what is said in conversation isn’t directly said, it’s inferred by word choices. People utilise language in far more ways than just a literal interpretation of the letters. So no, you likely did not say “I think people should rape!” (I don’t know because I’m not wasting my time reading your shit), but as Fibonnachi pointed out, you tacitly approved of it.
Unfuckingfortunately for all of us, yes you are.
Freitag! Been missing that old school cat of yours! Shall we derail about Clara?
Argenti: I’m the Cajun. I doubt you’ll have many people checking that box, but if you want to add it as a category — you’re right, it doesn’t really go anywhere else!
I guess it could fall under the “mixed race” category, but I’d personally feel a little odd selecting that since I was raised by white people (and am most often mistaken for a light-skinned Latina if anything; I look very French, just with olive skin and very dark hair).
dustydeste: did I misread, or are you one of us too??
Argenti, sorry to say that I don’t get BBC America and haven’t seen any of the new eps with Clara. 🙁 But hopefully they will come to PBS in good time!
PS: the affogato was delicious.
For those who don’t like dairy, the best budget creamer I’ve ever tried was Trader Joe’s brand, so if you have a store in your area you may want to try it out. I put some of that in the affogato, with the fresh-cream ice cream, since I’m sort of a lush sometimes.
In case it’s not obvious, I can’t talk about rape right now. At some point the switch in my brain just flips, my eyes glaze over, I start finding everything kind of absurdly funny, and I try to live my life like a regular person who doesn’t have to worry about being nothing more than a walking fuck object in the eyes of the world. It usually lasts only a few hours, maybe a day at most, but it’s great while it lasts.
Oh some of the Clara ones are great! She finds the tardis library! And idk if you heard, but Matt Smith is leaving, 12 will be regen’ing in the anniversary special.
Cannot wait! I did hear about Matt Smith leaving, and I’m ok with it. He was fun, but a little too hyper and over-the-top to suit me. I saw a little of Clara at the x-mas special, and she had potential. I’m glad to hear that she’s living up to it. Tardis library? Can I go too? Can we organize a Boobz expedition to explore it?
It’d take all of us, it’s HUGE. And yeah, Clara’s a good one, none of Amy’s waiting, more like “come ask me again in the morning”.