So our old friend Fidelbogen the Counter-Feminist Agent of Male Renaissance has gotten on the Twitter. And even though he hasn’t yet figured out how to replace his generic egg avatar, and has managed to amass only 44 followers (one of them me), he’s been tweeting up a storm in the last couple of days.
Indeed, he’s so proud of his recent tweets that he screenshotted a bunch of them and put them on his blog under the title Casting Your Breadcrumbs Upon the Water. (Huh. I thought the expression was “Cast your bread upon the waters.” Maybe Fidelbogen is hoping to recruit some ducks?)
Anyway, I thought I’d give his timely tweety wisdom a somewhat wider audience. I hope he won’t mind.
Can you all suggest some more Fidelbogenisms for him to post?
I’m not sure that’s a useful way of measuring class in terms of feminism, given the extent to which family of origin impacts educational opportunities, and the fact that the “feminists are all middle or upper class” argument is very much about educational background.
Feminism aims to frighten men into acquiescing to to feminist demands; a form of terrorism. #Gal-Qaeda
I thought I was pretty clever with Gal-Qaeda there, but google reveals that term has already been unironically used by several MRAs/conservatives. Poe’s law strikes again.
DAMMIT! Sparking lemonade is an AWFUL nasal irrigator.
I wasn’t thinking of it in terms of feminism, only in the Manboobz demographic – and there’s a separate question for education level.
I think I might go do some knitting. I’m nearly finished that jumper and I’m tired of seeing the rape advocate in all the threads.
“Gal-Qaeda” proves once and for all that MRAs have no sense of irony.
Those definitions —
All monetary amounts in USD, and definitions are combination of Dennis Gilbert, 2002; William Thompson & Joseph Hickey, 2005; Leonard Beeghley, 2004.
Upper Class — Top-level executives, high-rung politicians, celebrities, heirs. Ivy League education common; income of $500,000+ common.
Upper Middle Class — Highly-educated (often with graduate degrees), most commonly salaried, professionals and middle management with large work autonomy. Household incomes varying from the high 5-figure range to commonly above $100,000.
Middle Class — College-educated workers with considerably higher-than-average incomes and compensation; a man making $57,000 and a woman making $40,000 may be typical.
Semi-professionals and craftsmen with some work autonomy and a roughly average standard of living. Most have some college education and are white-collar. Incomes commonly range from $35,000 to $75,000.
Working Class — Clerical and most blue-collar workers whose work is highly routinized, often have low job security. Standard of living varies depending on number of income earners, but is commonly just adequate; common household incomes range from $16,000 to $30,000. High school education.
Working Poor — Service, low-rung clerical and some blue-collar workers. High economic insecurity and risk of poverty. Some high school education. Poverty line.
Lower Class — Those who occupy poorly-paid positions, limited or no participation in labor force or rely on government transfers. Some high school education. Income below poverty line.
Fixed that fucking mess of a middle class definition, added current/recent to the question. Once David posts it I can’t edit it without clearing the data, so make any other suggestions quickly!
Looks great to me, Argenti! ^_^
Yep, that’s definitely an American way of defining class. I’m aware that I’m totally outnumbered here though.
Yeah, I know it is, but I’ve seen a shit ton of “idk” and “we own a house therefor see middle class!” while barely paying the bills. So I included what actual, concrete measurements I could find which, yes, are US based. It’s optional and does say best describes you.
How would I even go about getting at, say, British class if people insist their class is wtf their parents was? Wouldn’t the replies be the same with or without definitions?
If you have an idea how to get decent data out of people who’re going to describe their class as the one they were born into, explain?
I’m fucking exhausted and about to pass out tough.
I think of class and income as separate but related variables. There’s definitely a correlation, but they’re not interchangeable, if that makes sense.
The Anglosphere part of the internet as a whole tends to default to American ways of defining things, though, which I dislike but accept as just one of those things.
Eh, I get that. And thought about just straight up asking how much you make, but felt too squicky. Tossing in a note not to decide based solely on income though.
Is it just me, or is he so incoherent my brain can’t process it? Maybe, I’m having a stroke.
Irony here in that discomfort about discussing income in blunt terms is something that most Brits would find very familiar!
What it is now:
Which Socio-economic class best describes your current/recent situation? Definitions are directly below the question but please don’t rely solely on the income part of the definitions.
Upper Class
Upper Middle Class
Middle Class
Working Class
Lower Class
All monetary amounts in USD, and definitions are combination of Dennis Gilbert, 2002; William Thompson & Joseph Hickey, 2005; Leonard Beeghley, 2004.
Upper Class — Top-level executives, high-rung politicians, celebrities, heirs. Ivy League education common; income of $500,000+ common.
Upper Middle Class — Highly-educated (often with graduate degrees), most commonly salaried, professionals and middle management with large work autonomy. Household incomes varying from the high 5-figure range to commonly above $100,000.
Middle Class — College-educated workers with considerably higher-than-average incomes and compensation. Semi-professionals and craftsmen with some work autonomy and a roughly average standard of living. Most have some college education and are white-collar. Incomes commonly range from $35,000 to $75,000.
Working Class — Clerical and most blue-collar workers whose work is highly routinized, often have low job security. Standard of living varies depending on number of income earners, but is commonly just adequate; common household incomes range from $16,000 to $30,000. High school education.
Working Poor — Service, low-rung clerical and some blue-collar workers. High economic insecurity and risk of poverty. Some high school education. Poverty line.
Lower Class — Those who occupy poorly-paid positions, limited or no participation in labor force or rely on government transfers. Some high school education. Income below poverty line.
And now I have to go to bed before I pass out. Goodnight and thanks again for your assistance.
Heh. The oilsands bork it all anyway, because the people making over $100K per year don’t necessarily have much education. Sleep well, Argenti.
Fidel seems to have issues with women in power. Men have screwed it up over the centuries, so how about giving women a chance?
Yep, this is why I was saying that class, income, and let’s add education are all independent variables. Often related, but still independent.
I just tweeted at him and pointed out that “women getting power” (whatever he means by that) does not imply “female supremacy”, which is ironic, since he called this the “logical conclusion”. Apparently fidelbogen wouldn’t understand logic if it seduced him, married him, and then divorced him and took half of his assets in the misandric divorce court system. (sarcasm)
In terms of the definitions of class proposed, I object on the grounds that I’m unlikely to earn more than what was defined as “working class” despite having a college diploma, and I’ll be unlucky to make even that much. The jobs market for people in my age demographic (18-30) is so sucky that there are basically no jobs anymore.
*unlikely
Ooh! This post seems to have fired up his Fidelbobrain, and he’s Fidelbotweeting again!
https://twitter.com/fidelbogen/status/348651652213002240
https://twitter.com/fidelbogen/status/348655788446859264
I want someone who is more active on Twitter than I am (i.e. almost every USian) to spam Fidelbogen with our joke tweets to see what his response is. 😀