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Science Proves that Men Going Their Own Way Don’t Go Anywhere, Really

mgtowscreencap
I highlighted that one big word.

If you ever wonder what a bunch of dudes who are Going Their Own Way and totally don’t give a good gosh darn about women, nosireebob, like to talk about the most on their special Men Only No Girls Allowed We’re Totally Going Our Own Way forum, well now you don’t have to rely on the comments I so cavalierly cherry pick from their forum.

Nope, I just realized we can use SCIENCE, in the form of the tag clouds that the site puts above the various subforums, to SCIENTIFICALLY see what they talk about. If you cast your glance upwards, for example, you’ll see the tag cloud for the most active forum on the site.

Seems like these Men Going Their Own Way haven’t gone very far, huh?

I’m guessing the National Organization for Women spends less time talking about women than they do.

EDITED TO ADD: If you would prefer to hear this post read aloud by an actual Man Going His Own Way, one of them has helpfully prepared this video. It’s an uncanny impersonation, by the way. They showed me, I guess!

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damselindetech
8 years ago

Not gonna lie, I chuckled.

MaudeLL
8 years ago

I call that the frauleinbund.

bookdragonette
bookdragonette
8 years ago

You’d think they talk about something else than the one thing they’re going out of their way to avoid. How about golf? Or chess? Or the latest book they read?

bookdragonette
bookdragonette
8 years ago

@MaudeLL, does that mean there are male cheerleaders?

Briznecko
Briznecko
8 years ago

At least we own our obsession with pussy.

tarnishedsophia
8 years ago

That’s part of what I never really understood about extreme MGTOW…Instead of talking to each other about cool hobbies, organizing get togethers, reminiscing about camping trips or planning things to do by themselves, it seems like they just want to keep repeating how happy they are without women in their lives. (They do some of the aforementioned stuff too, but obviously less as David has shown.)

I mean, I wrote a post about how I enjoy being single and don’t necessarily need a man of my own to be fulfilled. But that was ONE post, I have no great desire to keep talking about this one life decision…it is a little sad that they do.

arubakeru
arubakeru
8 years ago

@David Futrelle

I’m sorry in advance if someone has already told you this,

I have received a mail with your post “Google is Censoring Men’s Rights Searches and These Totally Not Fake Screenshots Prove It”, but when I click on the link this message appears: “404: The requested page was not found”. Maybe it is an old post or you erased it for some reason, I just wanted to let you know if that’s not the case.

arubakeru
arubakeru
8 years ago

David, I’m having the same problem with this one “Men’s Rights Activists Vs. Imaginary Enemies: Greatest Hits Edition”

Asher
Asher
8 years ago

At some point of marginalizing ever-increasing proportion of its male population a society is unsustainable. While a MGTOW “movement” is irrelevant the marginalization of men isn’t.

Ugh
Ugh
8 years ago

@Asher

Please elaborate on this “marginalization.”

Briznecko
Briznecko
8 years ago

With citations, not assfax.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Oh, Asher’s here. Assfax ahoy!

thekidwiththereplaceablehead

The best example of male marginalization is probably Fermat’s Last Theorem:

it is impossible to separate a cube into two cubes, or a fourth power into two fourth powers, or in general, any power higher than the second, into two like powers. I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this, which this margin is too narrow to contain.

If only we hadn’t marginalized him, we wouldn’t have had to wait 358 years for that proof.

arubakeru
arubakeru
8 years ago

Is anyone else having the same problem as me? (error message when trying to open links to these two posts: “Men’s Rights Activists Vs. Imaginary Enemies: Greatest Hits Edition” and “Google is Censoring Men’s Rights Searches and These Totally Not Fake Screenshots Prove It”).

Ashley
8 years ago

Wow what a very sciencey scientificial post! Thank you for proving this.

girlofthegaps
girlofthegaps
8 years ago

@arubakeru – Yeah, I’m having issues with those same two pages as well. I was alerted they were posted via my RSS widgety thingie, but I can’t get to them.

dustydeste
dustydeste
8 years ago

Huh, you’d think we would have known, since we’re all secretly you, David. I suppose you/we’re just being extra clever with the sockpuppetry today, lol

pecunium
8 years ago

Asher: I am curious, you said, “At some point of marginalizing ever-increasing proportion of its male population a society is unsustainable. While a MGTOW “movement” is irrelevant the marginalization of men isn’t.” Could you expand on this?

In what ways have men been marginalised? Have they been turned out of elective office? Kept from participating in certain professions? Been paid less for their work than women?

Are people advocating they lose some of their rights? Denying them bodily autonomy? Blaming them for these events?

Please elaborate.

Asher
Asher
8 years ago

@ Ugh

An excellent example of the marginalization of males is that the welfare state is a massive transfer of resources from males to females, a transfer from vast numbers of males get little in return. That’s marginalization.

What I tell the average young guy who doesn’t look like he has the station to really make it is to make it his life’s goal to expend as little effort as possible to fund the welfare state. Not that I really need to do this because men are already making that choice by the millions. As more men drop out of the project of funding the welfare state the remaining men will shoulder an ever-increasing burden, which, in turn, marginalizes even more men in a downward spiral. The logical conclusion is that all men get marginalized and women will have to figure out how to fund the welfare state with only half the population interested in its continuance – the half that bears and cares for children. Good luck with that.

Buh-bye welfare state.

Asher
Asher
8 years ago

People are marginalized in a society when they don’t have a *place* within it. Men’s place in a society involves their relationships to women and men who have an insecure relationship to women are, by and large, marginalized.

pecunium
8 years ago

Asher: An excellent example of the marginalization of males is that the welfare state is a massive transfer of resources from males to females, a transfer from vast numbers of males get little in return. That’s marginalization.

Really? Do tell.

pecunium
8 years ago

Asher: People are marginalized in a society when they don’t have a *place* within it. Men’s place in a society involves their relationships to women and men who have an insecure relationship to women are, by and large, marginalized.

1: Wrong. Women and men get along just fine. I see them in relationships all the time.

2: You are being a coward, or a fool (or both) because you were asked very specific questions about aspects of being marginalised, and are refusing (or completely unable) to answer them.

Ugh
Ugh
8 years ago

Assfax ahoy!

Also, the fuck?

Men’s place in a society involves their relationships to women and men who have an insecure relationship to women are, by and large, marginalized.

Um, it’s almost as if there should be a movement that includes not defining people by their attractiveness, relationship status, or sexual activity. Oh wait, feminism’s already on top of it.

dustydeste
dustydeste
8 years ago

Ladies. LADIES. OMG. Completely off-topic, but in regards to the recent fashion advice from Red Pill land or whatever… I have found THE ULTIMATE MISANDRY!

Asher
Asher
8 years ago

No citation is needed. If I claimed that humans having two legs is genetic would you offer the snarky “citation needed”? Of course not.

Prior to the mass entry of women into the workforce society had a non-governmental method of transferring resources from men to women. It was called the family and men got something out of it. For a functioning and sustainable society you *need* a transfer of resources from men to women. However, men are going to require something in return for that transfer of resources and ever-increasing numbers are not getting it in the current scenario.

Those men are marginalized and will have no incentive to sustain your precious welfare state.

Ugh
Ugh
8 years ago

No citation is needed. If I claimed that humans having two legs is genetic would you offer the snarky “citation needed”? Of course not.

We can look at our legs. We can’t look up your ass to see where your information comes from.

arubakeru
arubakeru
8 years ago

dustydeste, those are amazing!

Ugh
Ugh
8 years ago

Also, you know that welfare programs like SNAP, Medicaid, and social security go mostly to children and seniors, right?

Do you really want boys and old men to starve just so you can harm women?

Howard Bannister
8 years ago

An excellent example of the marginalization of males is that the welfare state is a massive transfer of resources from males to females, a transfer from vast numbers of males get little in return. That’s marginalization.

Pfffft.

The difference in service utilization between men and women? Practically non-existent. (55/45 — compare to the population split, 51/49)

So, yeah, massive income shift, dude.

Asher
Asher
8 years ago

Average male income in the US is 39k/yr and the average female income is 26k/yr. Since we not only have an income tax but a graduated one that would indicate that men disproportionately fund the welfare state. Further, since social spending is centered around children and the elderly, remember women live long than men, social spending and tax breaks, EIC favor women.

Claiming that the welfare state is not a mass transfer of resources from men to women is like claiming that the world is flat.

dustydeste
dustydeste
8 years ago

@Assher – Assuming you’re in the US, that’s not a welfare state, bro. Like… that’s not a welfare state at all.

Howard Bannister
8 years ago

For a functioning and sustainable society you *need* a transfer of resources from men to women.

Dude, women work at rates approaching men and still do most of the household work and child-raising work. Learn to logic! (in America–sorry, rest of the world)

Source! (that’s how citations are done)

Amnesia
Amnesia
8 years ago

@dustydeste
My own lovely hairy legs feel inadequate now. *shame*

Asher
Asher
8 years ago

@ Howard Bannister

Where did you get that figure? How was it calculated? Does it include education?

Ugh
Ugh
8 years ago

@Asher

Huh, men make more money than women? I wonder which group might have considered fixing that at some point.

Also, what do you think the ratio is of social spending to giveaways to male military officers, male corporate executives, and male shareholders?

Claiming that the modern state isn’t a massive wealth transfer from women to rich old white dudes at AIG and Lockheed-Martin is like claiming that the world is on the back of a turtle.

pecunium
8 years ago

Asher: No citation is needed. If I claimed that humans having two legs is genetic would you offer the snarky “citation needed”? Of course not.

Well… I can see that I have two legs. I can see that the vast majority of people have two legs.

So, on that basis I can say you are moron, with no understanding of logic, argument or debate.

You allege something quite different from the innately observable. You argue men are “marginalised”.

To support this you offer… nothing. I say they aren’t. Ugh says they aren’t. Briznecko says the aren’t.

QED (using the Asher Model of debate) I can say that you are wrong.

Howard Bannister
8 years ago

…and state taxes tend to be regressive, to make up for the progressive federal income tax.

Even in progressive states like mine.

Again, Source!

pecunium
8 years ago

Sorry, using the Asher Model of debate I have proven you are wrong.

Chie Satonaka
Chie Satonaka
8 years ago

Average male income in the US is 39k/yr and the average female income is 26k/yr.

Fixing income inequality will go a long way in helping that…but hey, you fuckers claim that doesn’t exist.

Ugh
Ugh
8 years ago

Also, how hilarious is it that Asher’s argument breaks down to “Men are marginalized because they make MORE money than women”?

pecunium
8 years ago

Asher:

@ Howard Bannister

Where did you get that figure? How was it calculated? Does it include education?

Why should he need a citation? He’s made the claim; as with the marginalisation of men, it’s apparent, right?

melody
8 years ago

I thought this was…..interesting.

And fitting.

dustydeste
dustydeste
8 years ago

@Assher – Umm actually you’re aware that there are taxes and tax-like things that are disproportionately levied on those who make less, right? You’re not just pulling random statistics out of your ass with no regard to how those things interact with other things? You’re not just completely operating in bad faith?

Who am I kidding. You complete chump. GTFO and learn about societal costs as they relate to class. Go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200, go die in a fire.

Howard Bannister
8 years ago

Asher, I have multiple replies up. Please quote me when you ask for specifics, as otherwise I have to play a guessing game.

You can stick my stuff just in quote marks, “”, use the blockquote < blockquote > — with a second closing tag, with a a / .

Thank you.

dustydeste
dustydeste
8 years ago

@Amnesia – I generally de-hair my legs in the summer (full furry coat for cold weather, though!), but sometimes it would be nice to just have that beautiful thick leg-hair look, but without all the commitment, y’know?

Asher
Asher
8 years ago

@ Howard Bannister

Women tend to choose professions where they can shape their work around their life. Men tend to order their life around their professions. A few years ago I ran into the stat that the average male orthodontist makes almost twice the income of the average female orthodontist. Why? Simple. Because male orthodontists keep the same practice longer and see more patients.

I think it was the Atlantic that had an article about how phramacy work is increasingly dominated by women. This is because pharmacists require a great deal of knowledge but their work is easily replaceable. Lots of pharmacists work for large chains, earning decent wages, while still only working part-time. Female’s even at similar participation rates make highly different career choices than men involving things like leisure time,flex time, commute time and how dangerous and dirty a job is.

pecunium
8 years ago

Ugh: I’m confused by this: Also, what do you think the ratio is of social spending to giveaways to male military officers,

The Military is one place where income equality is the rule. An O-3 gets the same pay; male or female. if one is married the pay is the same (no matter the gender of the service member). If one has dependents the same.

So I don’t think comparing military pay to CEO pay is a good comparison (now, if you want to talk about relative disparity in rank between male/female based on cohort size at career start to rates of progression past E-4/O-3, then yeah, men have it better, but not in terms of pay at each level).

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