So here’s an interesting chart. Guess what it represents?
A) The membership of the David Duke Fan Club
B) The racial breakdown of the most successful Liberace impersonators
C) The demographics of the Men’s Rights subreddit
Well, ok, that was too easy. It is of course all of the above. I’m guessing. It’s definitely C, at least, as this chart was prepared to show the results of the 2013 Men’s Rights subreddit demographic survey.
Now, you might say, well, isn’t Reddit itself a pretty white place? And you would be right. But the Men’s Rights subreddit seems to be a bit whiter — and a lot less black — than Reddit as a whole, if Quantcast’s estimates of Reddit’s overall ethnic breakdown are accurate.
In other completely non-surprising news, 89% of Men’s Rights Redditors are men. And a lot of them are libertarians. MRAs complain endlessly that we pigeonhole them as a bunch of entitled white dudes. They’re really not doing much to challenge that assumption.
The most important issue to these fellas (and the small minority that aren’t fellas)? Survey says: False rape accusations.
Other critical issues to the Men’s Rightsers include “custody rights” (which is a bit odd because 92% of those surveyed have no kids), “legal discrimination” (whatever that means), “education discrimination” (this is a thing?), and “male disposability.”
“Male birth control” and “paper abortion,” while relatively less important to the Men’s Rightsers, each got hundreds of votes.
I’m surprised “friendzoning” isn’t at the top of the list, but unfortunately it wasn’t one of the choices. I blame misandry.
Wow… Veiled threats of harm and death. Not cool, and I’ll be very surprised if David let’s that pass.
Getting banned is the point isn’t it obsidian. Then you get to go back and tell everyone about how we’re not up for “spirited discussion”, which in your case has been a revolving door of ignoring inconvenient rebuttals, handwaving, asking pointless questions to avoid having to answer valid points, and as of late some pretty smarmy head pats and a veiled death threat.
Cool story bro.
I think this is Obs subtle attempt to win the prestigious manboobz troll of the year 2013.
Ah… I see I’ve been given my own (weak sauce) imputation that the world would be better off if I were dead.
I’m touched, I didn’t think you cared (you ignored for long, and after I primped and did my nails and brushed the apron of my new skirt and everything).
But arsenic? Slow, and ineffective. It does give the skin a lovely consumptive glow (and you are right, it’s not a bad grace note to the taste of coffee, though tea was the preferred beverage for self-dosing), but it’s so easy to detect (finding it was the start of modern forensic chemistry).
You really need to step up your game if you want to offend me (no need to protest, we can all see it; either it’s a man-crush, and I’m touched, but really, I prefer my men to be shorter), or you are feeling in some way wounded.
If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Obsidian is trying to gear up to count coup, and failing miserably.
Precisely; Feminists have been able to successfully lobby for or boycott against things they deem to be in their interest and the Kickstarter thing is one such example. Hardly the feeble, powerless people you’re trying to make them out to be.
Way to misunderstand, and to lie.
1: We aren’t saying feminism, as an idea, is “feeble”. We are saying that sexism is still strong (sort of like racism. Fewer people go around talking about how good it would be if there will still slaves, more talk about how, “those people” need to, “know their place”, but the law is moving toward equality in fact).
2: That PUA project wasn’t stopped. They got their money.
I don’t feel like reading through all his shit. Has OF addressed why he lied about the Pew study of breadwinners? My post, for convenience, is here.
Pecunium — he’s not worth it, Joe wasn’t worth it; but you and the friends Joe was claiming I don’t care about are. And I’m fucking angry. I’m not letting that slide because it was a “joke” from someone I’d wipe off my shoe if I stepped in it. I’ve had enough, and going after you like that is the final fucking straw as far as I’m concerned.
Obsidian, serious question. I’m thinking about becoming a feMRA, but I can’t commit until I know this: What exactly is the MRM doing to help non-traditionally attractive women like myself who do not look like super models get a date? Are any of you dating women over 110 pounds? Do you not threaten to rape me on the first date, even in jest? I eagerly await your reply.
Pecunium — “Ah… I see I’ve been given my own (weak sauce) imputation that the world would be better off if I were dead.”
Which is why I’ve gone all HULK RAGE on him, he’s fucking wrong. And that, that right there, threatening my goddamned friends? That’s where I draw the fucking line. Veiled, weak sauce, fucking stupid, I do not give a single fuck.
I know I’ve dropped this here before but it’s FUCKING PERFECT
“It gives me strength to have somebody to fight for; I can never fight for myself, but, for others, I can kill.” ― Emilie Autumn, The Asylum for Wayward Victorian Girls
Obviously the rate of murder of men by men is NOTHING when compared to the rate of men falsely accused of rape.
Priorities tho.
@Hippo:
“Well, it’s not the dating problems of ALL short men (see Davy Jones and Woody Guthrie); it’s just the problems of assholes who can’t get dates and blame it on their height.”
O: No, those Men were/are very famous. We’re talking about everyday guys, instead – the vast majority of whom, aren’t arseholes. Many studies have proven that Men of shorter stature have a harder time of it out on the dating market, because Women in aggregate prefer taller Men. That, is a fact.
O.
OF, as fascinating as your unevidenced assertions re: shortness are concerned, let’s talk about something more substantive: woman headed households. They’re a majority of households now a days, right? Because women, especially Black women, are so much richer than men, right?
Obs-
OK, here are short men who are not famous/’high status’ and gets tons of dates with the ladies: Ian Luntz, Simon Wittigger, Frank Johnson, Malik Jones, Gerard Cross, Miguel Montreuil, Hans Weldon and Ben Straw.
I have more if you want.
Even if you do, in fact, oppose rape because it’s a violation of bodily autonomy, the fact that you jumped straight to the lack of necessity of rape as a reason to not support rape is telling. It shows me that your belief about women a right to bodily autonomy (at least in this case) is at best an afterthought.
It’s exactly like saying, “I don’t like murdering people because it’s risky” and then backpedaling and then saying “Oh, no, murder is bad because people have the right to live!” when confronted about that apparent murder apologism.
In any case, your backpedaling highly suspect. Why in the world would you say that you don’t support rape because it isn’t necessary if the importance of bodily autonomy is the actual reason you don’t support rape?
Also, you’re an awful person. And I can know if these things are true by, well, reading what you say about your beliefs. If I want to find out about whether someone’s worldview is decent, I read and try to understand their beliefs. So your deflection in saying “How would you know?” is a joke.
Oh, and regardless of what you say, your claim that rape shouldn’t be supported because it’s unnecessary STILL implies that, if it were “necessary” in some way, you would be okay with it.
@Aaliyah:
“Even if you do, in fact, oppose rape because it’s a violation of bodily autonomy, the fact that you jumped straight to the lack of necessity of rape as a reason to not support rape is telling. It shows me that your belief about women a right to bodily autonomy (at least in this case) is at best an afterthought.”
O: Should I value someone’s life more than my own?
“It’s exactly like saying, “I don’t like murdering people because it’s risky” and then backpedaling and then saying “Oh, no, murder is bad because people have the right to live!” when confronted about that apparent murder apologism.”
O: Noted.
“In any case, your backpedaling highly suspect. Why in the world would you say that you don’t support rape because it isn’t necessary if the importance of bodily autonomy is the actual reason you don’t support rape?”
O: Because I wasn’t asked a direct question such as the one you quoted me from above.
“Also, you’re an awful person. And I can know if these things are true by, well, reading what you say about your beliefs. If I want to find out about whether someone’s worldview is decent, I read and try to understand their beliefs. So your deflection in saying “How would you know?” is a joke.”
O: You need a better sense of humor…
O.
@Aaliyah:
“Oh, and regardless of what you say, your claim that rape shouldn’t be supported because it’s unnecessary STILL implies that, if it were “necessary” in some way, you would be okay with it.”
O: Only I’m not, and even one of your own admitted that he could find nothing in my writings, that he chose at random to examine mind you, that supported any such thing.
I’m just sayin…
O.
I’m impressed with you guys for continuing to argue with guys like Obsidian. I get tired of the dancing goalposts and willful obtuseness around the third comment.
O, you need to take a break from posting in this thread. Normally when someone posts this much in such a short period of time I put them on moderation to slow them down a bit or to give them a time out. But since I just mentioned you in the other thread I don’t think that’s fair.
So let’s just say you’ve got a time-out in this thread for the next, say, 8 hours, but that you can respond in the other thread. If you keep posting in this thread I’ll put you on moderation.
Also, I don’t give out much in the way of personal information on this blog, except about my cats, for a simple reason: some of the people who read me are angry and unethical misogynist assholes who have shown in the past that they will use any information they can glean about me against me, even if if means blatantly lying.
Last year, for example, I gave a talk at Northwestern, as part of the Northwestern Feminists sponsored “sex week,” about the fucked-up sexual ideas in the Manosphere. The organizers of the event handed out condoms and lube afterwards, as they did at all “sex week” events. Your pal WF Price wrote a piece full of blatant lies saying that I was teaching “co-eds” about “good sex,” and that shit got spread all over the manosphere.
So, no, I’m not answering your personal questions, except to say that the neighborhood I live in is one of the more ethnically diverse in Chicago and that I have no interest in any Chicago sports teams. I have had more contact with Cubs fans than Sox fans, and I hate sharing the el train with their drunk asses (the Cubs fans).
Beyond that, I’m not sure why you keep pushing for demographic info here when one of the regulars here is in the midst of constructing a detailed survey. When that’s completed I will post about it here, regardless of the results. Please do not write about it elsewhere until it is completed, as I don’t want the results contaminated by manosphere types voting in it.
I’m not sure how much you can conclude about my twitter followers from that twtrland site beyond the obvious facts that most of them are women and most of them are white. There are a number of POC that I know of amongst my followers, though this is hard to tell from the limited and unreliable data offered by twtrland. (The “top interactions” list seems basically random once it gets beyond a few people I talk to regularly.) I’ll concede that the percentage of POC isn’t enormous, but the fact that a lot of twitter users don’t actually put pictures of themselves on their accounts makes this essentially impossible to calculate. (Also, some of the people who follow and/or interact with me on twitter are MRAs.)
But, again, we’ll have data for Man Boobz in a few days, so what’s your hurry?
Should I value someone’s life more than my own?
Do you really want to ask that question in response to an explicative analogy on bodily autonomy?
Because the subtext there is, “Should I value someone else’s bodily autonomy more than my own?”
Which implies that other people’s bodily autonomy matter less to you than yours.
Which is a rapist mindset.
Which you’ve already, pretty much admitted to, so I guess more confirmation isn’t surprising.
You are lying again.
How many times do you have to be caught out in the exact same lie to stop making it?
To stop making it to the same people who have called you on your lies before?
That’s more than stupid, it’s delusionally stupid. Do you think this sort of gaslighting is going to work? We know Game, and this ain’t the place to try it; because Game requires an ignorant victim.
It’s as if you’re completely ignoring my point. Oh wait, you are.
You know what that statement minimally implies and that it would lead to an outraged response. Why, then, did you make it seem as though that was your only reason for not supporting rape? Did you just want to troll us? I doubt that you just wanted to get a reaction because clearly you wanted to show that you aren’t a misogynist, that you aren’t a supporter of rape, etc.
You aren’t convincing many people here.
And in any case, you clearly said that you don’t support rape because you don’t think it’s necessary; someone with “Game”, as you say, doesn’t need to rape anyone. Unless somehow you sincerely take back your statement, I have no strong reason to believe that you oppose rape because of bodily autonomy.
My sense of humor isn’t the problem; it’s your reprehensible beliefs.
Sorry, David – I didn’t see your post above.
“But, again, we’ll have data for Man Boobz in a few days, so what’s your hurry?”
I am absolutely exhausted, but if anyone else wants to prove feedback on the draft, my email’s the obvious at gmail. Drop me a line in the next, say, hour? and I’ll give you the link. Compile the feedback when I get up, and make it go live.
David — you want to give it a test run? I’ll email you the link?
And yeah, if it’s just our trolls, the signal to noise ratio should cancel them out, but get the MRM in general on it and the data will be useless and I’ll be damned near as pissed as I am about telling pecunium to put arsenic in his coffee.
Can I ask a quick question? I’m interested in participating in the Manboobz survey but I’m really not interested in scrolling up through all the Obsidian whatever comments to find out any more about it. I’m just wondering where and how it will be delivered so that I don’t miss participating. Thanks!
I should say that while my neighborhood is one of the more ethnically diverse in Chicago, this is still relative. Chicago has a diverse population — it’s about a third white, a third black, and a third Hispanic — but it is very segregated residentially.
There are giant sections of the city that are virtually all black, all white, or all Hispanic. I have a friend who lives in a Latino neighborhood on the southwest side; she is literally one of about 4 white people on the block, and the neighbors refer to her as “la gringa.”
(The South Side is not all black; there are sections that are white and Hispanic as well, and Hyde Park is pretty integrated. There are White Sox fans who are white.)
But there are other parts of the city where the segregation happens more on a block-by-block basis. I’m in a neighborhood like that. My block and the blocks immediate around it are pretty white, but if you go a few blocks east or south you’ll find a lot of black and Hispanic residents, a little further and there’s a heavily Vietnamese neighborhood. There’s also some middle-eastern presence.