So here’s an interesting chart. Guess what it represents?
A) The membership of the David Duke Fan Club
B) The racial breakdown of the most successful Liberace impersonators
C) The demographics of the Men’s Rights subreddit
Well, ok, that was too easy. It is of course all of the above. I’m guessing. It’s definitely C, at least, as this chart was prepared to show the results of the 2013 Men’s Rights subreddit demographic survey.
Now, you might say, well, isn’t Reddit itself a pretty white place? And you would be right. But the Men’s Rights subreddit seems to be a bit whiter — and a lot less black — than Reddit as a whole, if Quantcast’s estimates of Reddit’s overall ethnic breakdown are accurate.
In other completely non-surprising news, 89% of Men’s Rights Redditors are men. And a lot of them are libertarians. MRAs complain endlessly that we pigeonhole them as a bunch of entitled white dudes. They’re really not doing much to challenge that assumption.
The most important issue to these fellas (and the small minority that aren’t fellas)? Survey says: False rape accusations.
Other critical issues to the Men’s Rightsers include “custody rights” (which is a bit odd because 92% of those surveyed have no kids), “legal discrimination” (whatever that means), “education discrimination” (this is a thing?), and “male disposability.”
“Male birth control” and “paper abortion,” while relatively less important to the Men’s Rightsers, each got hundreds of votes.
I’m surprised “friendzoning” isn’t at the top of the list, but unfortunately it wasn’t one of the choices. I blame misandry.
She got DEATH THREATS, not insults, but a game made of her being punched and battered. Images sent of seriously injured women, graphic descriptions of how they’d harm her.
You asked why we should accept people, I asked why we should, as in, you implied we shouldn’t, I’m implying we should. And you come back with why not? WELL WHY THE FUCK NOT? Great, dandy, lovely! So then why in the everloving FUCK did you ask the goddamned question in the first place?!
And yes, I’m okay with sports having basic requirements directly correlated to how well you can play the fucking game.
And you do not, DO NOT, go after my friends with comments about how they should eat arsenic.
@Hellkell:
“I’m supporting the patriarchy by buying six-packs of the stuff, cloudiah.”
O: For shame…
“He makes it sound so easy to avoid products and just create new media. He’s not bright at all.”
O: But wait – didn’t the Feminists do just that in shutting down the PUA Kickstarter project?
Hmm?
O.
So you are a dipshit who lives under a rock, pries into people’s sex lives and sees no problem telling people they should eat some arsenic.
But here’s your fucking citation — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh–Sandra_Fluke_controversy
@Argenti:
“Did you just fucking imply pecunium should improve his breakfast by adding arsenic?! Oh fucking hell no. Now I’m actually angry. You get one, fucking ONE, chance to prove that wasn’t meant as wishing him at least bodily harm, if not death. FUCKING ONE.”
O: LOL, relax, mate. I meant no harm at all. It ain’t that serious. Live your life.
“No sidestepping, no ignoring my questions, no nothing, apologize or you’ll find out wtf I’m like when I’m actually angry. And freight trains probably have less force behind them.”
O: Sounds like the Incredible Hulk to me…
O.
You going break out “tsk tsk” next?
You even remotely going to acknowledge wtf you said about arsenic? Nobody gets to go after my friends like that. FUCKING NOBODY.
@Argenti:
“So you are a dipshit who lives under a rock, pries into people’s sex lives and sees no problem telling people they should eat some arsenic.”
O: I’ve been told a far sight worse…
But seriously – how has Ms. Fluke been “oppressed”? Please explain?
O.
“SOME insults?” She got fucking death threats, you disgusting piece of shit.
The Kickstater thing isn’t about creating new media, dummy. It was about not giving rapists a platform.
So the arsenic thing wasn’t a threat? Sure sounded that way. You’re the kind of filth that doesn’t have the stones to say anything directly, you just skate up to the line. Your fundamental dishonesty is what pisses me off.
@Argenti:
“She got DEATH THREATS, not insults, but a game made of her being punched and battered. Images sent of seriously injured women, graphic descriptions of how they’d harm her.”
O: Sounds like a job for the law enforcement authorities to me…
“You asked why we should accept people, I asked why we should, as in, you implied we shouldn’t, I’m implying we should. And you come back with why not? WELL WHY THE FUCK NOT? Great, dandy, lovely! So then why in the everloving FUCK did you ask the goddamned question in the first place?!”
O: I was responding to the idea that “we should people as they are” – which is supposedly a Feminist idea. I merely asked “why”? Why should just “accept people as they are”? Do any of us just “accept” anyone into our lives – and if not, why?
“And yes, I’m okay with sports having basic requirements directly correlated to how well you can play the fucking game.”
O: OK. Just checking.
“And you do not, DO NOT, go after my friends with comments about how they should eat arsenic.”
O: Relax. No big whup.
O.
Probably for good reason, but that don’t play here.
So now the troll is throwing around death threats so he’ll get banned? That’s a real desperation move.
He’s to mealy-mouthed to say it directly, but yeah.
@Hellkell:
““SOME insults?” She got fucking death threats, you disgusting piece of shit.”
O: So? That is the reason why she can’t get a tv show?
“The Kickstater thing isn’t about creating new media, dummy. It was about not giving rapists a platform.”
O: Precisely; Feminists have been able to successfully lobby for or boycott against things they deem to be in their interest and the Kickstarter thing is one such example. Hardly the feeble, powerless people you’re trying to make them out to be.
“So the arsenic thing wasn’t a threat?”
O: No; it was a joke.
“Sure sounded that way.”
O: Coming from you, I’m not surprised…
“You’re the kind of filth that doesn’t have the stones to say anything directly, you just skate up to the line. Your fundamental dishonesty is what pisses me off.”
O: *slips more weak punches*
O.
@Hellkell:
“Probably for good reason, but that don’t play here.”
O: Actually, I had your uncouth barbs at me in mind…
O.
It’s like they’ve never ever had anyone seriously disagree with them before about anything. Strange world they live in . . .
@Kid:
“Height was also only a weak predictor of appeal.”
O: Yes – but what does that even mean? Anyway, thanks for the article; it falls right in line with fundamental Game teaching, as it turns out.
Much appreciated! It will prove quite useful in my upcoming posts…
O.
My uncouth barbs are pretty much all you deserve, ObtuseOne.
Is that what you think Sarkeesian was trying to do? You are colossally dumb. Fractally stupid. Terminally dipshitted.
Chill mate? I’m no fucking “mate” of yours, in any sense of the word! Wanna know who I would use that term with pecunium, who you just told to eat arsenic. No, I will not fucking chill, I’m certainly not going to back down. And I sound like the Hulk? Good.
No big whup? Like how calling you an idiot was racist? How short men’s dating ability is a huge deal? How fucking VitaminWater is horrible misogynist? How Sandra Fluke wasn’t oppressed?
So let me get this straight, death threats are “no big whup” but a short man’s ability to get laid is a major social justice problem?
You’re a whiny little self-indulgent douchecanoe without the spine to even make his threats directly. You’re no better than the people who make threats outright, a threat is a fucking threat, no matter how veiled in that language of Elam’s “I’d like too”.
The line, you are so far over it you can’t even see it in the goddamned rear view mirror.
Oh, a joke? So joking about how someone should die is just perfectly acceptable?
Add disingenuous lying sack of shit to what you are.
Aregnti: be real. My “uncouth barbs” are the REAL problem. Worse than death threats, dontchaknow.
Of course, it’s also a completely unoriginal tactic. Loosing the debate? Escalate until you’re banned, and then go whine about oppression. I think NWO finally did that when he could no longer stand having his ass handed to him every night.
But I like barbs! Loaches have a pair under their eyes that’d do a number on your hand if they get you with them. It’s a very effective weapon!
Well, it’s not the dating problems of ALL short men (see Davy Jones and Woody Guthrie); it’s just the problems of assholes who can’t get dates and blame it on their height.
Argenti: He’s not worth it. This is a guy who thinks that if a person doesn’t end up living under a bridge they don’t suffer. That systemic oppression isn’t material,because Sandra Fluke (or Sarkeesian, or…) had some people praise her.
He’s a collaborator. He’s getting his, and the MRM is tossing him a bone, so he doesn’t care.
Look at it: : *shrugs* If she or any other Feminist is put off by some insults, perhaps she shouldn’t be making tv shows.
The same could be said about burnings in effigy, or crosses on lawns.
It’s a continuum. But it’s all the same Files: O: Jezebel’s writers and commenters often discuss these issues. They are not at all hard to find.
I’ve never seen it, enlighten me, show me what you think is a plea for good looking men to date them.
“And, BTW, give us your operational definition of rape (since you are so much against it).”
I’m still waiting on a response from Tulgey to my questions put to him/her earlier along these lines (he/she charges me with “implying” rape)
Oh, I see, until someone else gives in to your demands, you won’t tell us what you think constitutes rape.
I’m not the one making a point about racism; Dave and the rest of you are.
Yes you are; you are claiming Dave has no leg to stand on because femininsm is, “just as white as the MRM”. That’s an implicit claim.
That’s been your entire schtick, make a claim, refuse to back it up, say it’s been covered and then blame someone else.
And you did imply rape…in those comments Fibinachi quoted (you know, where Fibinachi said you were totally supporting rape, and rapey as all fuck… the comments you later lied about, repeatedly).
Crap, two comments got jumbled.
This is one
Argenti: He’s not worth it. This is a guy who thinks that if a person doesn’t end up living under a bridge they don’t suffer. That systemic oppression isn’t material,because Sandra Fluke (or Sarkeesian, or…) had some people praise her.
He’s a collaborator. He’s getting his, and the MRM is tossing him a bone, so he doesn’t care.
Look at it: : *shrugs* If she or any other Feminist is put off by some insults, perhaps she shouldn’t be making tv shows.
The same could be said about burnings in effigy, or crosses on lawns.
It’s a continuum. But it’s all the same to him. I suspect part of it is that those are women being abused, and attacked, and threatened. He can’t respond to the meat of the matter (e.g. how he defines rape) because that would be taking a stand; something he has been unwilling to do here. It would make it harder for him to pretend he’s not a misogynist.
So he hides behind weak one liners, and refuses to engage and has a wank in public. If he thinks anyone who isn’t already in his camp is gonna be convinced by this, well he’s dumber than Flump. Honestly, this is a great example of Masculist Post-Deconstructionist NeoDadaism. We are in creating interactive performance art, Sadly the MRM rarely provides the sort of talent needed for comedy, and we have to settle for farce.
This is the other.
Files: O: Jezebel’s writers and commenters often discuss these issues. They are not at all hard to find.
I’ve never seen it, enlighten me, show me what you think is a plea for good looking men to date them.
“And, BTW, give us your operational defintion of rape (since you are so much against it).”
I’m still waiting on a response from Tulgey to my questions put to him/her earlier along these lines (he/she charges me with “implying” rape)
Oh, I see, until someone else gives in to your demands, you won’t tell us what you think constitutes rape.
I’m not the one making a point about racism; Dave and the rest of you are.
Yes you are; you are claiming Dave has no leg to stand on because femininsm is, “just as white as the MRM”. That’s an implicit claim.
That’s been your entire schtick, make a claim, refuse to back it up, say it’s been covered and then blame someone else.
And you did imply rape…in those comments Fibinachi quoted (you know, where Fibinachi said you were totally supporting rape, and rapey as all fuck… the comments you later lied about, repeatedly).