So here’s an interesting chart. Guess what it represents?
A) The membership of the David Duke Fan Club
B) The racial breakdown of the most successful Liberace impersonators
C) The demographics of the Men’s Rights subreddit
Well, ok, that was too easy. It is of course all of the above. I’m guessing. It’s definitely C, at least, as this chart was prepared to show the results of the 2013 Men’s Rights subreddit demographic survey.
Now, you might say, well, isn’t Reddit itself a pretty white place? And you would be right. But the Men’s Rights subreddit seems to be a bit whiter — and a lot less black — than Reddit as a whole, if Quantcast’s estimates of Reddit’s overall ethnic breakdown are accurate.
In other completely non-surprising news, 89% of Men’s Rights Redditors are men. And a lot of them are libertarians. MRAs complain endlessly that we pigeonhole them as a bunch of entitled white dudes. They’re really not doing much to challenge that assumption.
The most important issue to these fellas (and the small minority that aren’t fellas)? Survey says: False rape accusations.
Other critical issues to the Men’s Rightsers include “custody rights” (which is a bit odd because 92% of those surveyed have no kids), “legal discrimination” (whatever that means), “education discrimination” (this is a thing?), and “male disposability.”
“Male birth control” and “paper abortion,” while relatively less important to the Men’s Rightsers, each got hundreds of votes.
I’m surprised “friendzoning” isn’t at the top of the list, but unfortunately it wasn’t one of the choices. I blame misandry.
@Tulgey:
“Funny how it wasn’t “End of.” earlier! It’s almost like you were okay with saying it because you weren’t already being confronted with it. Anyone trying to construct your views on rape based on your earlier statements would come up with this:
O: Tell me again how you’re not a misogynist, how it takes extraordinary evidence to show this, yada yada yada.”
O: Indeed! Tulegy, consider this: one of your fellow Manboobers in good standing, Finanachi, has actually reviewed at least some of my writings; he has come to the conclusion, that there is scant evidence of my advocating for rape at all.
As to the question of whether I am a misogynist or not, I’ve actually surveyed Black Women about this, at a very well known internet forum, Very Smart Brothas, and the results, and consensus, was that I was NOT a misogynist.
So, YES. I require some extraordinary proof for these claims being made about me. Please prove, by my own hand, that I am advocate of rape, or misogyny?
I’ll patiently wait…
O.
And it all comes back to dating, the most important topic on the agenda.
And the person you’re discussing is me. Have dated shorter men than me, am dating a man who doesn’t act like a traditional man who I asked to get together with first and who I paid 50/50 on dates our initial dates (which is what I generally have done)
Yes we do exist. Granted, if the only reason you can think of to tear down gender walls is because it gets you more dates your concern really isn’t equality, now is it? Equality has nothing to do with romance as it’s every individual’s right to be attracted to whoever the hell they’re attracted to and policing that goes against the very freedom you keep claiming is so important to protect things like racial fetishization.
Because such cases are being made by feminists all over the internet and it’s not our job to do your googling for you We’re making a case for it here, right now, and we are feminists.
No, four of the women are black. Six are white. 2 south Asian, 2 east Asian. I like that even after your assumptions have been challenged directly with evidence, your assumptions change your memory of that evidence into something else.
My point in citing this in the first place is that you have been making a lot of assumptions about feminism that don’t seem to be supported by anything but your own negative feelings about feminism.It’s not clear to me what if any actual evidence is underlying these assumptions. Have you made any demographic studies of any of the big feminist blogs? Do you really spend a lot of time reading them? If you do, please let me know hwo you determine the demographics of the commenters by simply reading their comments? I don’t know how to do that unless people make specific references.
Certainly your suggestion that Feministing was a “white” blog doesn’t give me much hope that you really know much about the sites you’re oppering your opinions about.
Yes, racism is an issue amongst white feminism. But holy fuck is it a bigger problem in the manosphere. When white feminists do and say racist things, they tend to get called out for it, and they generally regard it as a problem that they need to work on, a defect in themselves.
In the manosphere, there is a level of casual racism that would never ever fly in feminist spaces, and it’s rarely called out. Only when it’s really blatent does it get called out, and then generally only in more “moderate” places like Reddit.
I’ve seen lots of really foul racism on the Spearhead, much of it happily upvoted by the regulars, and not just when the white supremacists tried to take over the blog. (And why did they pick it as a target? Because there were so many racists there to begin with that they thought they’d find a receptive audience.)
And then of course there is that whole wing of the Manosphere that is openly and proudly racist. These sites are hardly obscure ones: Heartiste, In Mala Fide/Matt Forney, etc etc. They don’t see racism as a problem; they see it as a solution.
Try telling the Black Women at Very Smart Brothas—a website explicitly centered around the thoughts of men, I’ll note— that you “don’t support rape for a very simple reason – because it’s not necessary. A Man with Game doesn’t need to rape anyone.” and see what they say! Better yet, go ask the Crunk Feminist collective if it’s misogynistic to say you “don’t support rape for a very simple reason – because it’s not necessary. A Man with Game doesn’t need to rape anyone.” and see if they think it’s misogynistic.
And get real, not every woman is right about what constitutes misogyny or not. If I recall correctly, r/mensrights has about 11% women users, a group that presumably would agree that r/mr is not a wretched hive of misogyny, despite the fact that it obviously is.
When did I say you were an advocate of rape? You clearly established that you don’t support it because you don’t find it necessary.
Let’s continue with the theme of this post, which is “Mighty White of You”, shall we?
Dave has argued, that, based on their own internal demographic surveys, that the MRA Reddit is overwhelmingly White, with its Black participation in the single digits, at best. Though I’ve never read the MRA Reddit (or any Reddit, for that matter), I don’t deny the fact that the Manosphere writ large, is very much a White place.
But I countered with the fact that the Feminist spaces/venues online are in truth no better, in that they too are very White as well. Moreover, I made the speculation, that Manboobz itself has more in common with the MRA Reddit along racial lines, than not. Though it appears that an official demographic survey is underway, no hard numbers currently exist for the Manboobz readership/commentariat along these lines.
However, we DO have Dave’s Twitter account activity, per the social media analytics site Twtrland. According to it, a clear majority of Dave’s followers are female, and are from the USA. And from more ancillary data, it appears that a majority of his followers are very White, too.
Until the Official Manboobz Demographic Survey comes out(?), I think it’s fair to say that Dave’s online efforts differ little, if any, from the MRA Reddit along racial lines; both appear to be quite “Mighty White of You”, indeed.
So, let’s take things one step further…
We know that Dave’s from Chicago, which is very important, since Chicago has long been recognized as one of the most racially segregated cities in the entire country. Question – where does Dave live, in Chicago? Does he closer to, say, where the Cubs play, or to where the White Sox play? Is he indeed a Cubs or White Sox fan – in Chicago, Whites tend to be more for the former, while Blacks tend to be more for the latter. How many Blacks actually live on Dave’s block, or apartment building? How many Black friends does Dave have – and how can we independently verfiy this? Through his social media…like…Twitter? When’s the last time he’s visited a Black friend’s home – or had over Black friends to his? Does he date, Black Women? When’t the last time he’s attended a Black function, like say, a wedding, party or funeral?
Does anyone know?
Will Dave himself, respond?
O.
You already did this yourself, merely an hour an a half after you first demanded “extraordinary evidence,” when you said that you don’t support rape because you don’t find it necessary, a statement which directly implies that there are conditions under which you could conceivably find it necessary. Not to mention that we already all know you’re a proponent of Game, which is a field of bullshit and pseudo-science dedicated to objectifying women as rule-bound objects for the sole purpose of helping men fuck them.
You are not only a misogynist, you’re such a garden variety misogynist that it’s not even interesting to talk about except to throw it in your face!
Either someone explain to me the relevance of the races of the people David talks to the most on twitter, or somebody hand over the drugs. MDMA or acid or something. My brain is jello after drafting the survey, I want to stare at a wall babbling about how beautiful it is.
While my brain is with it enough to remember how statistics work, I should note that the statistical significance of the survey results will depend on the number of respondents.
@Jessay:
“And it all comes back to dating, the most important topic on the agenda.”
O: Actually, “dating” doesn’t come up at all as an item on the official survey published by the GMP on the MRAs’ top ten list of concerns…
“And the person you’re discussing is me.”
O: No, I am discussing the Feminists as a group.
“Have dated shorter men than me, am dating a man who doesn’t act like a traditional man who I asked to get together with first and who I paid 50/50 on dates our initial dates (which is what I generally have done)”
O: Ah yes, the “Going Dutch Option” – which is perfectly fine, ONLY when the Woman suggests it; if the Man suggests it, he’s a dastardly cheapskate. Ms. Jessay, may I ask: when’s the last time YOU, PAID FOR THE WHOLE FIRST DATE? I’ll patiently await your response…
“Yes we do exist. Granted, if the only reason you can think of to tear down gender walls is because it gets you more dates your concern really isn’t equality, now is it?”
O: Actually, I think addressing these concerns in the dating arena would go a long way toward fostering Equality…
“Equality has nothing to do with romance as it’s every individual’s right to be attracted to whoever the hell they’re attracted to and policing that goes against the very freedom you keep claiming is so important to protect things like racial fetishization.”
O: But this is NOT the arguments many Feminists make; for example, a common complaint on the part of Feminists, when it comes to Men in general and PUAs in particular, is that they are attracted to Women who are “conventionally attractive” and are NOT attracted to Women who are “conventionally unattractive”. In fact, much discussion can be observed among Feminists along these lines, bemoaning Men for being attracted to the former and not the latter. The evidence of this is easily found at the aforementioned popular Feminist online outlets and venues.
“Because such cases are being made by feminists all over the internet and it’s not our job to do your googling for you We’re making a case for it here, right now, and we are feminists.”
O: Translation: because no such proof exists…
Still waiting for you to address my earlier response to you re: Ramsey, et al…
O.
I don’t fucking even…next he’ll be asking our genders to confirm our past relationships and want photographic proof the men where shorter (and I don’t even know how to answer that, which gender binary party am I? Is my status as a non-misandrist feminist dependent upon what’s in my pants?!)
You want to independently verify the races of David’s friends. Fucking think about wtf you just said. (And what about those of us with very few friends? Cuz I have a statistically highly improbable number of gingers among mine, but yes, of the 5~ people I’m good friends with they range from Italian dark to dear gods do you sunburn in December [yes, yes he does])
As for “if” the survey comes out, it will very probably be ready to launch today. Assuming I don’t end up being all nocturnal and sleeping until midnight or some fucked up shit like that.
Good morning Dave! Glad to see you’ve responded:
“No, four of the women are black. Six are white. 2 south Asian, 2 east Asian. I like that even after your assumptions have been challenged directly with evidence, your assumptions change your memory of that evidence into something else.”
O: Ooops, my bad, I stand corrected. Four Black Women, noted.
“My point in citing this in the first place is that you have been making a lot of assumptions about feminism that don’t seem to be supported by anything but your own negative feelings about feminism.”
O: OK; such as?
“It’s not clear to me what if any actual evidence is underlying these assumptions. Have you made any demographic studies of any of the big feminist blogs?”
O: No, I have not; but have they? Do you know?
“Do you really spend a lot of time reading them?”
O: I’ve spent a goodly bit of time reading them, yes.
“If you do, please let me know hwo you determine the demographics of the commenters by simply reading their comments? I don’t know how to do that unless people make specific references.”
O: In some case they do; in others, as I’ve done with your Twtrlan profile, you can infer who’s who.
“Certainly your suggestion that Feministing was a “white” blog doesn’t give me much hope that you really know much about the sites you’re oppering your opinions about.”
O: But by your own admission, Feministe and Jezebel have White writers – two other blogs I specifically mentioned by name. Right?
“Yes, racism is an issue amongst white feminism. But holy fuck is it a bigger problem in the manosphere. When white feminists do and say racist things, they tend to get called out for it, and they generally regard it as a problem that they need to work on, a defect in themselves.”
O: Really? I’ve heard about some serious flare-ups along these lines in the blogs we’ve discussed, and there doesn’t seem to be much in the way of evidence that the Feminists are all that concerned about changing their ways. Again, Black Women enmasse, have left the building a long way back.
“In the manosphere, there is a level of casual racism that would never ever fly in feminist spaces, and it’s rarely called out. Only when it’s really blatent does it get called out, and then generally only in more “moderate” places like Reddit.”
O: Then you don’t read the Manosphere anywhere near as much as you think; here’ let me help you:
Being White In Philly, Interracial Bullying & Micro Aggressions Sunday: The Obsidian Weighs In
http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com/entry/124104
That was part of some half a dozen posts I wrote, directly challenging the contentions of one of the people on your “Boob Roll”, Chuck Ross over at GLPiggy. By all means, please see it for yourself.
Moreover, I have numerous other posts over the past few years doing exactly the same thing, throughout the Manosphere. I shall post more links proving this.
“I’ve seen lots of really foul racism on the Spearhead, much of it happily upvoted by the regulars, and not just when the white supremacists tried to take over the blog. (And why did they pick it as a target? Because there were so many racists there to begin with that they thought they’d find a receptive audience.)”
O: I cannot speak to that, but what I CAN say, is that Bill Price took down the 700+ comment bloodbath that ensued in the wake of my post on LTR Game and the Great Recession. And he took down, specifically because it contained all manner of just downright meanspirited stuff, including racism directed toward me.
“And then of course there is that whole wing of the Manosphere that is openly and proudly racist. These sites are hardly obscure ones: Heartiste, In Mala Fide/Matt Forney, etc etc. They don’t see racism as a problem; they see it as a solution.”
O: Indeed, and I’ve directly challenged ALL OF THEM, both on their blogs, and mine; again, please see my “Being White in Philly” post as just one small example of proof.
Hoping to see your response(s) to my comments about you specifically, upthread…
O.
Since it’s being brought up a bit, if anyone wants to take a look at Fibinachi’s review, I went back to check it out:
http://manboobz.com/2013/06/20/mighty-white-of-you/comment-page-8/#comment-317618
True equality is a man sitting in a quiet room with a notepad, patiently demanding that feminists tabulate, photograph, and provide receipts for every date they’ve been on to prove that they’ve paid 100% for short dudes often enough for him to be satisfied.
@Dave:
Here’s my most recent stepping to Roissy/Heartiste:
Being White In Philly: Roissy/Heartiste Smackdown
http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com/entry/124117
And I’ve written, I don’t know, easily half a dozen other posts specifically addressing/stepping to him for his un-necessary and downright meanspirited, to say nothing of counter-productive racist invective? Give me a minute, let me dig through the archives and post up a few more, for you and the rest of the forum’s consideration…
O.
@Dave:
Regarding In Mala Fide: I was *briefly* a contributing writer there, and it all came to an end, when I wrote the following post that really set the IMF readership off:
The Plight Of The Marginal White Male
http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com/entry/62391
Ferd and I directly got into it, which I write about, here:
Notes Of An Equal Opportunity Offender
http://www.obsidianraw.bravejournal.com/entry/63984
As we all know, IMF is now defunct and has been for some time, and Ferd has in more recent times come out using his real name and blogs under that banner. We haven’t had any communication since and I don’t know if we will, though we both do write currently for the Spearhead.
Just wanted to put that out there for the record…
O.
My uncle, about 5’4″ married and I remember many of his girlfriends from my childhood. My other uncle -maybe 5’8″- lots of girlfriends, a fiance, married now. Three of my close guy friends, all of whom are under 5′ 9″, all of whom would be considered “ladies’ men” by most casual observers, my other uncle, same height as my pop, married for 40 years…
Wait. What am I doing? You’re a fucking a moron.
So let me get this straight, I say that feminism doesn’t need to address whether or not women date short men because short men have been getting laid and dating, and marrying, and having children for a long time. You say “prove it”. I offer the anecedata: my dad; short, married, three children. Definitive proof that short men date (fairly certain he and my mother had sex with other people prior to marriage) and have sex.
Now I have to produce a list of feminists who’ve dated men as short as my father? Sure, I’ll just access my database of all existing feminists and run a report that pulls the heights of every man they’ve ever dated -casually or seriously- and, voila! You’ll have your proof.
Oh, wait, I won’t. Because no such database exists. And it wouldn’t matter any way because what I said was that women date short men. Which they do. As proven conclusively by: my very fucking existence.
How about this: you prove to me that short men, other than you, don’t date women. And I don’t mean link to a bunch of your pathetic, poorly written, bullshit screeds about why women don’t date short men. I mean show me proof that every short men, every where in the world, has never dated a woman.
I’ll wait…
No, I’m just kidding, I’m going to work.
@Dave:
Regarding Roissy/Heartiste: as promised, here are some other posts by yours truly, that directly call him our on his racist invective:
Roissy: Man Or Mouse?
http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com/entry/61850
The Obsidian Meets…Virgil Kent
http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com/entry/120305/
O.
Live from manboobz, it’s Argenti with Spot! That! Fallacy!! Our contestant today? Obsidian Files!!
Nice to have you on the show today sir! Now, let’s see how many points you’ve scored, shall we?
I see multiple instances of shifting the burden of proof. But lucky for you repeated fallacies top off at 5 points. Doubly lucky since you’ve got a back case of dancing goalposts, you might want to get those things under control!
So that’s 10 so far!
What’s that I hear? Sounds a bit like a whistle? Oh!! It’s a kettle! Well add another point for kettle logic then! Relatedly, sir, please stop being so verbose!
Did someone say something about a point? Perhaps about missing one? Another point!
Shh now, I’m trying to hear the audience! Oh! You’re saying he’s generalizing all of feminism from a handful of blogs, and based on only his assumptions about them? A hasty generalization you say?
Fish? Why is someone asking for fish? Ah, because we have a fish monger on the show today! Would anyone like a red herring? We’ve got plenty!
Sorry folks, but that’s all the time we’ve got today, so let’s tally up that score shall we? I see our contestant has maxed out the points for shifting the burden of prove, moving the goalposts and red herrings, so that’s 15 points there. Add another kettle logic, one more for missing the point, we’re up to 17! But let’s not forget the hasty generalizations and attempts at proof by verbosity!
Aw, too bad, you nearly managed to break 20! I’m sure you’ll manage it before our next round of Spot! That! Fallacy!
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(shifting the) Burden of proof (see – onus probandi) – I need not prove my claim, you must prove it is false.
Onus probandi – from Latin “onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat” the burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim, not on the person who denies (or questions the claim). It is a particular case of the “argumentum ad ignorantiam” fallacy, here the burden is shifted on the person defending against the assertion.
Moving the goalposts (raising the bar) – argument in which evidence presented in response to a specific claim is dismissed and some other (often greater) evidence is demanded.
Kettle logic – using multiple inconsistent arguments to defend a position.
Proof by verbosity (argumentum verbosium, proof by intimidation) – submission of others to an argument too complex and verbose to reasonably deal with in all its intimate details.
Ignoratio elenchi (irrelevant conclusion, missing the point) – an argument that may in itself be valid, but does not address the issue in question.
Hasty generalization (fallacy of insufficient statistics, fallacy of insufficient sample, fallacy of the lonely fact, leaping to a conclusion, hasty induction, secundum quid, converse accident) – basing a broad conclusion on a small sample.
Red herring – a speaker attempts to distract an audience by deviating from the topic at hand by introducing a separate argument which the speaker believes will be easier to speak to.
@Dave:
Here’s another post of mine, directly challenging one of the regular pinatas that Roissy/Heartiste likes to take a swing at:
Gabi Gregg “Fatkini”: Response To Readers
http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com/entry/94654
O.
I wonder what the latest boring troll/sock’s morning height is … what is it with this height obsession among trolls? (Maybe only one or two, since we don’t actually have that many.)
Tulgey – don’t forget the video evidence that they’ve fucked said short men, because otherwise they were just stealing, since paying for a meal totally equals letting someone into your body, and if the women paid for the meal, well, they were just leading the man on anyway.
@Nobinayamu:
“My uncle, about 5’4″ married and I remember many of his girlfriends from my childhood. My other uncle -maybe 5’8″- lots of girlfriends, a fiance, married now. Three of my close guy friends, all of whom are under 5′ 9″, all of whom would be considered “ladies’ men” by most casual observers, my other uncle, same height as my pop, married for 40 years…
Wait. What am I doing? You’re a fucking a moron.”
O: Why? Because I asked a very simple question? Oh, and by my count, that’s approximately 7 guys, including your dear old dad. Hardly anything scientific, or even statistically significant – yes?
“So let me get this straight, I say that feminism doesn’t need to address whether or not women date short men because short men have been getting laid and dating, and marrying, and having children for a long time. You say “prove it”. I offer the anecedata: my dad; short, married, three children. Definitive proof that short men date (fairly certain he and my mother had sex with other people prior to marriage) and have sex.”
O: I asked for info bearing on whether Feminists themselves date Men as short as your dad; you have yet to present any such evidence, and instead presented personal anecdata. Hmm.
“Now I have to produce a list of feminists who’ve dated men as short as my father? Sure, I’ll just access my database of all existing feminists and run a report that pulls the heights of every man they’ve ever dated -casually or seriously- and, voila! You’ll have your proof.”
O: Patiently waiting on the results…
“Oh, wait, I won’t. Because no such database exists. And it wouldn’t matter any way because what I said was that women date short men. Which they do. As proven conclusively by: my very fucking existence.”
O: Just because something exists does not mean that they are the norm, or the preferred, by others. But thanks for confirming for us all, that such data involving Feminists doesn’t exist.
“How about this: you prove to me that short men, other than you, don’t date women.”
O: LOL. Nice try.
“And I don’t mean link to a bunch of your pathetic, poorly written, bullshit screeds about why women don’t date short men. I mean show me proof that every short men, every where in the world, has never dated a woman.”
O: Of course not. Because that’s not what I said.
“I’ll wait…
No, I’m just kidding, I’m going to work.”
O: Have a great day!
O.
@Kittensherf:
“I wonder what the latest boring troll/sock’s morning height is … what is it with this height obsession among trolls? (Maybe only one or two, since we don’t actually have that many.)”
O: LOL. Let’s just say that I’m taller than Nobinayamu’s dear old dad.
I don’t have an “obsession” with height, and actually, per all the studies that have been done in this area, *Women do*.
“Tulgey – don’t forget the video evidence that they’ve fucked said short men, because otherwise they were just stealing, since paying for a meal totally equals letting someone into your body, and if the women paid for the meal, well, they were just leading the man on anyway.”
O: Not a bad idea…
O.
Seriously, though, I just finished catching up on this monster thread. Obsidian is like, everything I’ve always hated about being out on a Saturday night rolled up into one giant ball of lazy thinking, lazier writing, and too much cologne. Like a bad barbershop cipher that you can’t just leave once your edges are cleaned up. Like every dude out on U street with a chip on their shoulder who cops an attitude because “No, thanks,” isn’t good enough.
I just can’t.
Men shouldn’t pay child support because Black women go to college and 40% (not a majority; learn to cite correctly) of women are primary bread winners in their families. And the manoshpere is not steeped in racism because, hey, they let him post. And the Republican party doesn’t have issues with gerrymandering and voter restriction that disproportionately affects minority voters because, hey, Michael Steele used to be a leader of the party. It makes perfect sense.
And paper abortions are way more important to the rights of minority men than say, dealing with the Rockefeller laws or Stop and Frisk programs. Absolutely.
Sure.
But I have a proposition. I was recently at a party where “unplanned fatherhood,” child support, etc. went from a topic of lighthearted joking (it happens) to a fairly serious if shot-fueled discussion. Here’s something that I’d support with my tax dollars:
Vasectomies for any and all men who want them, and a sperm-bank maintained through public funds from which they could collect their genetic material if and when they ever choose to become fathers. And more funding driven towards alternative contraception choices for men in the mean time. After all, freezing sperm is a relatively old technology that’s significantly less invasive than freezing eggs. Vasectomies are more reversible than tubal ligations. No “fatherhood” without choice. I notice that you’ve ignored my statements that fatherhood is far more than a financial contribution to the food and shelter of a living child but, I don’t expect much from you in the way of substance.
Thoughts?
And now, I really do have to go to work. Gotta put that Black woman college degree to good use.
@Tulgey:
“True equality is a man sitting in a quiet room with a notepad, patiently demanding that feminists tabulate, photograph, and provide receipts for every date they’ve been on to prove that they’ve paid 100% for short dudes often enough for him to be satisfied.”
O: Great idea! You Manboobers are geniuses!
O.
No fucking shit Sherlock?
Hey, somebody prove to me that feminists don’t hate VitaminWater. Now now, y’all’s preferences are just ancedotes, I’m gonna need a database of feminists’ favorite flavors!
No, that is what you said.
You said that women don’t date short men. They do. Women date short men. The burden of proof is on you. You asserted that women don’t date short men and that feminism, if genuinely interested in equality, would encourage more women to date short men. And women do date short men, so that isn’t anything that feminism needs to address.
I appreciate that you aren’t… overly bright, but stay with me. Of course there isn’t a database that cross references women (feminist or otherwise) with the heights of the men that they do or have dated. The evidence is out in the world. Go. Outside. There are women on dates with short men.
“The norm” is not an applicable statement. Women date short men.
If you have a study that shows that some/many/most women prefer tall men it won’t change the fact that women date short men.
You are not “short men”. You are one “short man”. I don’t think the height is your problem.