So here’s an interesting chart. Guess what it represents?
A) The membership of the David Duke Fan Club
B) The racial breakdown of the most successful Liberace impersonators
C) The demographics of the Men’s Rights subreddit
Well, ok, that was too easy. It is of course all of the above. I’m guessing. It’s definitely C, at least, as this chart was prepared to show the results of the 2013 Men’s Rights subreddit demographic survey.
Now, you might say, well, isn’t Reddit itself a pretty white place? And you would be right. But the Men’s Rights subreddit seems to be a bit whiter — and a lot less black — than Reddit as a whole, if Quantcast’s estimates of Reddit’s overall ethnic breakdown are accurate.
In other completely non-surprising news, 89% of Men’s Rights Redditors are men. And a lot of them are libertarians. MRAs complain endlessly that we pigeonhole them as a bunch of entitled white dudes. They’re really not doing much to challenge that assumption.
The most important issue to these fellas (and the small minority that aren’t fellas)? Survey says: False rape accusations.
Other critical issues to the Men’s Rightsers include “custody rights” (which is a bit odd because 92% of those surveyed have no kids), “legal discrimination” (whatever that means), “education discrimination” (this is a thing?), and “male disposability.”
“Male birth control” and “paper abortion,” while relatively less important to the Men’s Rightsers, each got hundreds of votes.
I’m surprised “friendzoning” isn’t at the top of the list, but unfortunately it wasn’t one of the choices. I blame misandry.
“O: Are you saying that DADT played a role in more straight people in the US military have sex? If so, is there any way we can assess that independently by way of any surveys or something?”
Having specific types of sex, and idfk on surveys, but it’s in the damned definitions. And just where is pecunium when I need military penal code citations?!? …oh, right, it’s not quite 6…
@Argenti:
“Ok, someone has clearly not been paying attention! I’m doing political affiliation right now.”
O: Clearly the one NOT paying attention has been you, I’m afraid. Please read Dave’s original post again, where he clearly makes mention of the fact that the majority of the MRAs on the Reddit group he’s examining are Libertarians. So…why NOT include such a simple question on the Manbooz Survey?
Hmm?
“And if anyone wants to try Top Ten without a fill in the blank option, I’m game, throw out wtf you want listed!”
O: Excellent! Chop chop!
“I’m not touching occupation though, we’ve got class, and I am debating asking whether working // unemployed // disabled // retired (except, I think pecunium gets like, three of those, depending how you define the last two)”
O: Coolbeans; let the respondents respond to the question in any way they wish. For example, if they’re not working due to being Disabled, they’re free to write that down; if they’re a student in school, same; and so on.
Really simple, folks. Instead of taking potshots at others, which is incredibly easy to do, why not put out your own survey, and then compare and contrast – first and foremost, along racial lines? Is Manboobz in fact, more diverse, than say, the Manosphere? Or are they a lot closer to it?
Let’s find out!
O.
You know, what’s very interesting about the social justice community, is that they don’t seem to have demographic survey data as available as the MRA Reddit group does. As Dave pointed out a little while back, Feministing does indeed have a diverse group of writers – slightly more than half are non-White (though I do note for purposes of this discussion, that only two of those non-White writers are Black – hmm…), but he freely admits that this is not the case for Jezebel or Feministe. But what all three seem to have in common is that none of them, as far as I am aware, actually have demographic survey info of their readership, etc. Which I find fascinating, again, in light of the topic and all the lip service these and other Feminist blogs and the like pay to social justice, diversity and so forth.
It would be really interesting to see what if any such data can be gleaned about these groups, and compare them to the MRA Reddit survey, first and foremost along racial lines. Setting aside lip service about ideals and what not, is the simple question: Are Feminist spaces and venues online more or less, diverse than the Manosphere ones? And by “more or less” I’m not talking about statistically insignificant stuff – I’m talking about at least 5 points in either direction, up or down. Again, given all the talk these types do about social justice, inclusion, diversity and the like, you’d think they’d be the ones doing up such surveys on their own and making them widely available to the public, not leaving to any of us to scratch our heads wondering aloud “what’s up with that?”.
As for the Manboobz Survey, I for one will reading along with great interest when/if it finally comes out. Because I’m very curious if it’s as White as the MRA Reddit Survey that’s currently under discussion. Let’s find out once and for all, hmm?
O.
@Auggziliary:
“Goddam can’t this manchild get banned already? I’m feeling like I’m 10 again. Except this sucks and he’s an adult who is pretty rapey from what I can tell. *shudders*…”
O: Fibanachi reviewed about a half dozen of my posts and by his own admission, COULDN’T find anything “rapey” about them. Dave and I have discussed my writings offlist, and he’s pretty much the same thing.
But perhaps you can succeed where they have not? There are currently 325 posts on my blog alone. I invite you to present to the forum the smoking gun proof that I indeed am “rapey” – by my own hand.
Or, if you like, please feel free to retire to the fainting couch…
O.
For at least the fourth time, I can’t do write in’s with free survey sites. I’m not choosing not to, I can’t.
And if you think going “chop chop” at me is going to do anything besides cement my view that you’re not here in anything resembling good faith, well, let’s just say you clearly haven’t lurked here at all.
And libertarians are on the list. As it everything I listed on the last page, and a few more things.
Also, religion hit 284, I added Banjo the Clown because I seriously need the joke break and WTF IS V DOING!?!?
@Kittensherf:
“How short is short, anyway? My man’s 5’7″ and that’s plenty tall enough for me. I hate being loomed over.”
O: Noted; however, the average height for the American male is 5’10”. Per online dating survey data and the like, Women prefer Men in this height range and not under. Also, the “sweet spot” preferred by most Women is a Man around 6’1″-6’2″ or so.
You are more than welcome to list out all the data showing Women stating a male height preference for Men 5’8″ and under; I for one, would love to see it…
O.
There are fainting couches? Are there fainting rooms? Can I please go take a nap in a Victorian greenhouse? The architecture is just lovely!
Fibinachi in need of a fainting couch, thank the gods I wasn’t drinking anything or I’d have a mess to clean up!
@Argenti:
“For at least the fourth time, I can’t do write in’s with free survey sites. I’m not choosing not to, I can’t.”
O: What’s stopping you from shooting Dave a brief email outlining your race, age range, occupation, political affiation, and top ten issues as a Manboober? In fact, I think that’s probably the best way to go about this thing: everyone so interested just email Dave these five simple things, and he tallies em up. He can even open a special email account just for this purpose if he’s concerned about getting a flood of emails or anything like that. Also, this way, he’ll be able to weedout any potential trolls trying to put a black eye in he survey or anything of the sort.
“And if you think going “chop chop” at me is going to do anything besides cement my view that you’re not here in anything resembling good faith, well, let’s just say you clearly haven’t lurked here at all.”
O: What’s taking you all so long, then? I mean, we can put all the back and forth aside, and just get right down to business with your own survey. I think part of the reason why you guys are doing so much hemming and hawing, is because I think you know you’re just as White as the very MRA Reddit you’re upbraiding. If not, prove otherwise. It really ain’t that hard, Argenti.
“And libertarians are on the list. As it everything I listed on the last page, and a few more things.”
O: Why the need to make things so complicated? A simple question of “political affiliation” will suffice. No need to reinvent the wheel or trying to make this out to be rocket science here.
“Also, religion hit 284, I added Banjo the Clown because I seriously need the joke break and WTF IS V DOING!?!?”
O: ???
O.
What’s taking so long? I’m making a proper inclusive survey! An actual survey! Cuz this is fucking what I spent my undergrad days doing, and would’ve done in grad school if I…
1) could’ve afforded it
2) didn’t go totally nuts (grad school and the mentally ill don’t mix well)
Inb4 shit about my mental state.
“O: Why the need to make things so complicated? A simple question of “political affiliation” will suffice. No need to reinvent the wheel or trying to make this out to be rocket science here.”
Because. I. Can. Not. Do. Write. In. Replies.
Banjo the Clown, and V, are from Order of the Stick. An online comic. Which at least a couple other people here read. It’s a joke religion.
And nobody else here has a complete and utter problem with my method, some advice, complaints, but nothing that hasn’t been sorted through like adults having a reasonable discussion. Something you seem truly incapable of doing.
I’m trying to put two and two together here, is Obsidian suggesting that all men have some horrible criminal past that will be brought up if they are to ever to intervene when someone else is in danger and get media attention for it, therefore all men have learned to not step in lest they receive the same negative media attention as Charles Ramsey?
That’s an odd conclusion to come to that really only directly affects people with something to hide. Regardless of Ramsey’s past, he still did the right thing in this instance by coming to the aid of a person in need of help. Note: I’m saying person and not woman because, as a person who tries to combat the bystander effect in my everyday life, I think it is my duty to try and help anyone in trouble so long as I’m not directly putting my own life in jeopardy, in which case it’s not my duty but a personal decision I can choose whether or not to make.
Beyond that, he’s ignoring that the white men of the MRA are appropriating the racism against black men which they were historically responsible for creating and calling it sexism in order to claim men are oppressed as a class. That’s messed up. Wouldn’t it be more effective to combat racial profiling than to narrow it down to false rape accusations (which will still probably only help white frat guys who can get enough of their bros to claim she was asking for it if it picks up enough steam and not black men because you’re still not combating racial profiling or the socioeconomic situations that lead to poor legal representation)? The difference between the MRA and modern feminism is the acknowledgement that discrimination is doubled when you add racism to the equation, and that there are specific ways that racism and sexism intersect to cause very specific problems for different groups of women. The MRM completely misrepresents the cause of the issues it discusses and in doing so effectively derails progress.
T: Oh, look, Mister “I don’t support rape because I don’t find it necessary” is back. Tell us, O, under what circumstances do you find rape to be necessary? If all your potential sexual partners unanimously reject you because they find out you say things like “I don’t support rape for a very simple reason – because it’s not necessary. A Man with Game doesn’t need to rape anyone.” does that then make rape necessary? Where do you draw the line at respecting the autonomy of other human beings?
T: You’re a sick fuck.
T.
One of the social media tools that I use is called Twtrland. Some of you may have heard of it. For those of you who haven’t, Twtrland allows you to see what any Twitter account holder’s basic Twitter activity is, including the number of followers he/she has, whether the majority of said followers are male/female, and so forth.
So, I did this for Dave’s Twitter account, since, until the official Manboobz Demographic Survey becomes available, that’s probably the closest we’ll be able to come to getting any sense of things with regard to Manboobz. In case anyone else is interested, here’s the link:
http://twtrland.com/profile/davidfutrelle so you can see for yourself.
According to Twtrland, Dave’s beeing using Twitter since Aug 4, 2011, and since then has amassed 1.6K followers, 78% of whom are female, and 58% of whom are from the USA. The top three cities the majority of his followers seem to be from, are the USA, the UK and Canada, in that order. As far as the top cities, they are NYC, Toronto, Chicago and London.
Now, to the good part…
As far as I know, Twtrland doesn’t allow for on to breakout data along racial lines, but, what you *can* do, is glean a good bit of information from looking at the Twitter account holder pics of the people a given account holder interacts with. Twtrland has a “top followers” section of the site, on the lower righthand side of the screen, which collates all of a Twitter account holder’s top followers, and if they post up account pics of themselves, you can see who they are racially. Here’s Dave’s Top Followers:
Rebecca Watson (White)
Helen Lewis (White)
Jessica Valenti (White)
Amanda Marcotte (White)
Stefan (White)
Jamie Kilstein (White)
Lola Aronovich (Not entirely sure, judging by the pic, so let’s say that she’s a POC for now; that’s one!)
This is out of nine top followers in total; the other two accounts had artwork in place of pics, so I’m not counting them. Even taking that and Ms. Aronovich into account, the clear majority of Dave’s top followers are White, and overwhemingly female to boot.
But wait, there’s more!
Twtrland also allows one to see all the top replies and conversations any given Twitter account holder has with other Twitter account holders. In case anyone’s interested, here’s the Twitter accounter holders who’ve recently had convos with Dave:
http://twtrland.com/profile/DavidFutrelle/conversations
Need I say more? Not a Black face in the place. And by my count there’s upwards of *40* Twitter accounts listed.
I could go on, but I think the evidence, in lieu of a straight-ahead Manboobz Demographic Survey, is quite interesting to say the least – by all accounts, there is little reason to believe that Dave’s Twitter audience at least, to be any *less* White than the MRA Reddit demo survey he’s upbraiding. In fact, from where I’m sitting, looks like there’s a goodly bit of racial upbraiding to go around.
Mighty White of You, indeed…
Holla back
🙂
O.
Dear gods I just nearly put “a student” under a. Alphabet, how do you work?!
I need a break, to review this, volunteers to review this (email or PM me) and then it’s done. So, 3 hours? Cuz I need at least one other set of eyes on this and while I’m pretty sure pecunium will do it, it’s 7 am on a Saturday.
@Tulgey:
” Oh, look, Mister “I don’t support rape because I don’t find it necessary” is back.”
O: And, good morning to you, too!
“Tell us, O, under what circumstances do you find rape to be necessary?”
O: None.
“If all your potential sexual partners unanimously reject you because they find out you say things like “I don’t support rape for a very simple reason – because it’s not necessary. A Man with Game doesn’t need to rape anyone.” does that then make rape necessary?”
O: No.
“Where do you draw the line at respecting the autonomy of other human beings?”
O: I believe all human beings have the right to their own bodily automony. The problem I have is when *some* Women, don’t respect the same in others – and that includes Men.
T: You’re a sick fuck.
O: How would you know? 😉
O.
http://manboobz.com/2013/06/20/mighty-white-of-you/comment-page-8/#comment-317636
So, either you weren’t thinking then, shortly after you demanded “extraordinary evidence” of your obvious misogyny, or you’re not thinking now. Which is it?
Well, I got give that site this, however it calculates gender, it’s counting trans* women as women. Then again, it’s probably just pulling pronouns, so yeah.
T: Hey O, do you think that if a female feminist who were published on a site like Jezebel were to say something like “I don’t support raping men because I can get laid whenever I feel like it,” that MRAs would not be righteously jumping down her throat for ignoring the essential humanity of men? Do you think they would be saying that she’s a misandrist? Do you think they would be arguing that her callous, utilitarian language towards men betrays a fundamental disgregard for men?
Hm. I wonder.
What makes you so different?
T.
So, it’s done, as a draft. And anyone who wants to give it a test run should email or PM me. I want it run past other eyes before it goes live (one, TYPOS, two, cognitive bias and all that, always better to have other eyes check things) — I already emailed pecunium the link, so I should get at least one tester that way.
Looks like the hardest part to compile is going to be *drum roll* the ranking of animals! Yes, I am serious.
Now, I get to sit back and wait for volunteer guinea pigs (which, yes, are on the animal list). Point of the whole test run is the feedback, not the data.
And this is why we aren’t just emailing David our occupations. Because that isn’t how any survey methodology with a lick of sense runs. (Seriously guys, I think the red pill makes you allergic to math, research, statistics, and all other related topics)
@Jessay:
“I’m trying to put two and two together here, is Obsidian suggesting that all men have some horrible criminal past that will be brought up if they are to ever to intervene when someone else is in danger and get media attention for it, therefore all men have learned to not step in lest they receive the same negative media attention as Charles Ramsey?”
O: Not necessarily; what I am arguing is that people, in this case, Men, have the right to expect the media to respect their privacy, regardless as to their (past) criminal background. My argument is that not only did the media, of which Feminists are most definitely a part (Feministing, Jezebel, Pandagon), rip Ramsey to shreds over his past, but the Feminists either aided and abetted in said shredding, or sat idly by and did/said nothing – all this, while at the same time imploring Men to be shining White Knights in armor to boot(!). Out-freaking-rageous.
“That’s an odd conclusion to come to that really only directly affects people with something to hide.”
O: No, it doesn’t; it’s a sensible conclusion to come to for anyone concerned about their right to privacy being infringed upon and made the stuff of cheap yuks for the evening news.
“Regardless of Ramsey’s past, he still did the right thing in this instance by coming to the aid of a person in need of help. Note: I’m saying person and not woman because, as a person who tries to combat the bystander effect in my everyday life, I think it is my duty to try and help anyone in trouble so long as I’m not directly putting my own life in jeopardy, in which case it’s not my duty but a personal decision I can choose whether or not to make.”
O: Ahh, nice tap dance you did there! Let’s be clear: Ramsey was indeed putting HIS life in danger, as my article made clear, and this is the part Feminists refuse to be crystal clear about, which is something else I was keen to mention in my article.
So, let’s cut right to the chase, Jessay – let’s swap out Ramsey and put YOU, in his situation on May 6th. Would YOU, have done what he did? That would be a simple yes or no answer.
“Beyond that, he’s ignoring that the white men of the MRA are appropriating the racism against black men which they were historically responsible for creating and calling it sexism in order to claim men are oppressed as a class. That’s messed up.”
O: And once again, here is a person who doesn’t know me in the least. Spend any bit of time in the Manosphere and you will quickly find out that I am a serious thorn in their side along these lines. Again, and for the record: the Spearhead got a record all-time high commenter count of 700+, all calling for my head on a pike, when a few years back I merely called for Men, who were already in relationships with Women to begin with, to have a care about their appearance when out and about with their ladies. You can see the post for yourself here:
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/06/30/ltr-game-the-great-recession/
I then wrote a followup open letter to the Spearhead readership of the time, which you can see here:
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/07/02/an-open-letter-to-the-spearhead-readership/
In fact, I was accused of being “gay” of being a “proto-feminist” (still trying to figure out exactly what the heck that is???), being a “mangina”, you name it. 700. Plus. Comments. Bill F. Price took the whole thread down because it was just so outrageous – so much for the idea that he’s a foaming at the mouth racist.
So, no, I’m not some Black token guy who’s blind to the very real issues along the lines being discussed here about MRA/Manosphere spaces – I’ve seen them, firsthand. And I’ve been challenging them, on my own, for a good long minute now. But, having said that, there IS a there there, when it comes to the issues many MRAs shed a light on, and I see how a great many of them directly have impacted Black Men. So, I can thread the needle – address the racism that IS prevalent in MRA spaces, AND, be an advocate for Men’s Rights as they relate to Black Men, too.
There’s room for both.
“Wouldn’t it be more effective to combat racial profiling than to narrow it down to false rape accusations (which will still probably only help white frat guys who can get enough of their bros to claim she was asking for it if it picks up enough steam and not black men because you’re still not combating racial profiling or the socioeconomic situations that lead to poor legal representation)?”
O: Tell that to Brian Banks and holla back the results…also, who said that we can’t do BOTH, fight racial profiling, AND fight false rape charges? In fact, couldn’t it be said that false rape charges ARE a form of racial profiling too, since Black Men are statistically more likely to be fingered in a rape case?
“The difference between the MRA and modern feminism is the acknowledgement that discrimination is doubled when you add racism to the equation, and that there are specific ways that racism and sexism intersect to cause very specific problems for different groups of women.”
O: The problem with this is that, as I’ve pointed out several times already, when you actually examine the Feminists, they aren’t really all that concerned with addressing these issues anymore than their MRA “brothers” are; they just pay a lot of lip service to it. Feminism in our time is still very much a White, middle to upper middle class game, as it has always been. This explains why so many Black Women have left the building, voting with their feet a long way back, because they know and understand this. Consider the film a few summers back, “The Help”, and Black Womens’ very strong, very visceral response to it. That, pretty much sums up their view of Feminism in our time, for the most part.
“The MRM completely misrepresents the cause of the issues it discusses and in doing so effectively derails progress.”
O: Not from where I sit…
O.
@Argenti:
“Well, I got give that site this, however it calculates gender, it’s counting trans* women as women. Then again, it’s probably just pulling pronouns, so yeah.”
O: Fair enough. Fun question for ya:
How do you account for all the White Twitter accounts that Dave obviously spends quite a bit of time talking to? How do you account for the clear majority of White top followers Dave obviously has?
Your response?
O.
“O: Well, among a great many, is the fact that while Feminism makes its case that the “Patriarchy” has and continues to seek to control or otherwise regulate Female sexual behavior, the Feminists themselves are in fact seeking to do the same wrt Male sexuality. For example, the sheer enormity and reaction in response to the Pickup movement, is one instance; another is the stiff resistance to Roe For Men; another is the campaigns against street harassment and the like; another is the resistance to the legalizing of prostitution; another is the attempts to block Men who who wish to marry Women from overseas, and so on.”
You need some actual sources to back your claims. Specifically, what aspects of male sexuality are Feminists trying to control?
PUAs are not representative of male sexuality because their very existence stems from a sub group of males who have been unsuccessful with women. Also their tactics are mostly just cruel and deceitful.
The fuck is Roe For Men????
Women marching in slut walks, is that what you mean about campaigns against street harassment? How is that against men? It is not insulting to men unless they are the douche-bags that yell at strangers just out minding their own business—aka harassers.
All the feminists I know are in favor of sex workers’ rights, which want sex work of all forms to be legal and safe for everyone involved.
Why the fuck would feminists give two shits about men wishing to marry women from overseas? Unless you mean where they try to traffic (purchase) women, which isn’t the same thing.
So nothing you said is true. Big surprise.
Try a little less preaching and a little more listening.
@Tulgey:
“T: Hey O, do you think that if a female feminist who were published on a site like Jezebel were to say something like “I don’t support raping men because I can get laid whenever I feel like it,” that MRAs would not be righteously jumping down her throat for ignoring the essential humanity of men?”
O: I honestly don’t know; but I would sure like to find out…
“Do you think they would be saying that she’s a misandrist?”
O: I don’t think the MRAs would have to wait for such an article to appear to charge Jezebel with Misandry…
“Do you think they would be arguing that her callous, utilitarian language towards men betrays a fundamental disgregard for men?”
O: Again, I don’t think they/we have to wait for such an article to appear to make the argument that Jezebel does indeed engage in Misandrist behaviors.
“Hm. I wonder.”
O: I do, too.
“What makes you so different?”
O: Ask Fibanachi; he’s taken some time out to actually review at least some of what I’ve said…
“So, either you weren’t thinking then, shortly after you demanded “extraordinary evidence” of your obvious misogyny, or you’re not thinking now. Which is it?”
O: Both. Simply put, I am against rape. End of.
O.
@Marcilannister:
“You need some actual sources to back your claims. Specifically, what aspects of male sexuality are Feminists trying to control?”
O: Hello Ms. Marci. I think you’re a bit late to the discussion. I would kindly ask that you consider reviewing the previous 10 pages of this thread, where I have addressed many of the same questions you are asking, right now.
“PUAs are not representative of male sexuality because their very existence stems from a sub group of males who have been unsuccessful with women. Also their tactics are mostly just cruel and deceitful.”
O: I never claimed that PUAs were representative of Male sexuality, which is why I mentioned many other things outside of them specifically.
“The fuck is Roe For Men????”
O: This too has been previously addressed. Please review it?
“Women marching in slut walks, is that what you mean about campaigns against street harassment?”
O: No.
“How is that against men?”
O: Again, this is not what I was talking about.
“It is not insulting to men unless they are the douche-bags that yell at strangers just out minding their own business—aka harassers.”
O: I didn’t say anything about it being insulting to Men.
“All the feminists I know are in favor of sex workers’ rights, which want sex work of all forms to be legal and safe for everyone involved.”
O: Indeed; but how many of them support it for the simple reason that Men ought to be able to find sexual satisfaction with those whom they deem desirable, and are willing to do so?
“Why the fuck would feminists give two shits about men wishing to marry women from overseas?”
O: IMBRA.
“Unless you mean where they try to traffic (purchase) women, which isn’t the same thing.”
O: I’m not.
“So nothing you said is true. Big surprise.”
O: Great skills of logic, you have! Such mastery of the Trivium, is rare indeed…
“Try a little less preaching and a little more listening.”
O: *Holds up mirror*
O.
Hardly:
Funny how it wasn’t “End of.” earlier! It’s almost like you were okay with saying it because you weren’t already being confronted with it. Anyone trying to construct your views on rape based on your earlier statements would come up with this:
O: Tell me again how you’re not a misogynist, how it takes extraordinary evidence to show this, yada yada yada.
@Argenti:
“So, it’s done, as a draft. And anyone who wants to give it a test run should email or PM me. I want it run past other eyes before it goes live (one, TYPOS, two, cognitive bias and all that, always better to have other eyes check things) — I already emailed pecunium the link, so I should get at least one tester that way.”
O: Congrats!
“And this is why we aren’t just emailing David our occupations. Because that isn’t how any survey methodology with a lick of sense runs. (Seriously guys, I think the red pill makes you allergic to math, research, statistics, and all other related topics)”
O: I’m perfectly fine with any research parameters you Manboobers deem appropriate. I’m just real curious to see, when the dust settles, if indeed Dave’s readership is as White as the MRA Reddit he’s currently examining, and as the Feminist spaces and venues online seem to be.
By all accounts, his Twitter would suggest that it IS – but, I am perfectly fine to wait for the final results from the Official Manboobz Demographic Survey! I’m so excited!
O.