So here’s an interesting chart. Guess what it represents?
A) The membership of the David Duke Fan Club
B) The racial breakdown of the most successful Liberace impersonators
C) The demographics of the Men’s Rights subreddit
Well, ok, that was too easy. It is of course all of the above. I’m guessing. It’s definitely C, at least, as this chart was prepared to show the results of the 2013 Men’s Rights subreddit demographic survey.
Now, you might say, well, isn’t Reddit itself a pretty white place? And you would be right. But the Men’s Rights subreddit seems to be a bit whiter — and a lot less black — than Reddit as a whole, if Quantcast’s estimates of Reddit’s overall ethnic breakdown are accurate.
In other completely non-surprising news, 89% of Men’s Rights Redditors are men. And a lot of them are libertarians. MRAs complain endlessly that we pigeonhole them as a bunch of entitled white dudes. They’re really not doing much to challenge that assumption.
The most important issue to these fellas (and the small minority that aren’t fellas)? Survey says: False rape accusations.
Other critical issues to the Men’s Rightsers include “custody rights” (which is a bit odd because 92% of those surveyed have no kids), “legal discrimination” (whatever that means), “education discrimination” (this is a thing?), and “male disposability.”
“Male birth control” and “paper abortion,” while relatively less important to the Men’s Rightsers, each got hundreds of votes.
I’m surprised “friendzoning” isn’t at the top of the list, but unfortunately it wasn’t one of the choices. I blame misandry.
RE: Kittehserf
Yeah, and I MSTed all of it! It was actually fairly popular for a bit, but man was it tough. There’s a reason that I did it mostly during the time I was at my sickest; it was the only distraction potent enough to get me to eat for a while there.
@MaudeLL They are conservatives who want the freedom to do all the things they like but have many excuses as to why you cannot do the same.
Still amazed that there are glibertarians who disagree with universal suffrage.
What does MST mean? Google ain’t helping here. (First answer is Melbourne School of Theology!)
Kittehserf
MST
Mystery Science Theater 3000, a show where the characters watched bad movies and snarked on them the entire time.
You might be more lucky if you search for MST3K. Or Mystery Science Theater 3000, for the full length name,
MST3K = pretty awesome.
Sounds terrific! If they did one on Start Trek TNG I think I might have been in it … 😛
RE: Kittehs
Oops, I forgot most folks don’t know the term. I see most folks have done the job for me already, but yeah, MSTing is when you snark. I use it in prose by laying original lines in italics, and then leaving sarcastic commentary. I have a whole tag for it on my blog, and these days mostly restrict to skeezy prose writing that has been published–or really bad g0y porn.
It’s fun, but I have to take breaks for an hour or so afterward if I want to write my own work, because it feels like my brain has pickled itself in self-defense.
“False rape accusations” are a big worry for them? I know a bloke who really was falsely accused of rape, and he doesn’t worry about it that much. Not in his top 10 worries, anyway.
There’s also a Reddit sub called Analyzing Reddit that ranks r/mensrights by similarity with other subreddits. If you scroll down, it breaks down by group other subreddits that have users who overlap with r/mensrights. The atheism sub has the most overlapping users, followed by the libertarian sub. It also seems like most gender issues/gender equality-related subs that don’t ban mra’s for being dicks or derailing discussions attract a lot of mra’s. The conspiracy sub also makes it into the top 10 subs that overlap with r/mensrights.
LBT, that reminds me of Down Once More Translated by muirin007. I love snark.
Reading snark on g0y porn sounds fun …
Aaaand it would probably be helpful if I actually linked to the Reddit sub I was just talking about, like I meant to do before I prematurely clicked post.
http://www.reddit.com/r/AnalyzingReddit/comments/1608yr/rmensrights_drilldown_5_january_2013/
SittieKitty, that’s wonderful. I lol’d at
“A mask, my first unfeeling scrap of clothing.
(I ran around naked until my mother decided that the only way she could stop vomiting was to shove a paper bag over my head.)”
I freely admit that the Manosphere is very White – but couldn’t we say the exact same thing of most Feminist spaces and venues/groups online and off? And what about this very forum now? I would argue that a clear majority of those who regularly read and comment here are White as well, with a Black readership being notably smaller. In light of all that, what’s the difference between the Manosphere and any of you?
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Obsidian Files: I somehow doubt you are really up for a “spirited discussion”. In no small part because you are trying to have it on The Spearhead, which is far from a place which tolerates real debate.
RE: Obsidian Files
In light of all that, what’s the difference between the Manosphere and any of you?
…you’re not seriously arguing that if two groups are predominantly white, they are the same?
Seriously, by that logic, the KKK has no difference with us either. Don’t be absurd.
In light of all that, what’s the difference between the Manosphere and any of you?
It hates women, we don’t.
And you are missing the point, the issue being discussed is the relative demographics of a subreddit; compared to reddit as a whole. The indications are that it is more white than the rest of reddit. Given that one wonders why (since, unlike The Spearhead there is no bar to entry) it is so much more attractive to white (and young) men than the rest of reddit is.
Perhaps Obsidian Files doesn’t like to think his MRA mates are racist.
And, in response to the idea that the Manosphere doesn’t hate women, just “feminism”, or “The Gynocracy” or some such shit: that’s the same argument racists makes: They don’t hate non-whites, they just promote their own race.
At the expense of every other, but hey, that’s ok, they can leave, amirite? Women who don’t like the second class status can move to Sweden, or some other feminitopia.
Obsidian Files, Mr Ramsey was not an innocent man; he admits to committing domestic violence. While the ruining of his reputation was unfortunate, he still did the right thing by rescuing the women. Feminists and MRAs are too interested in rationality. Ramsey did the right thing, that is his duty, as it is the duty of all men to protect women, and that’s all that matters. Many feminists no longer want men to protect women because women apparently feel offended by the need to be protected. Now we see the manosphere aligning with this faction of feminism. What we need is to return to a radical Christian culture, with a patriarchy largely administered by reliable women.
“In light of all that, what’s the difference between the Manosphere and any of you?”
We’re not rape apologists.
We don’t hate women.
You know, we’re not sexist. We don’t think anyone owes anyone else sex. We don’t believe in Bio-Truths because it demeans the actual human experience. We know the difference between porn and real sex. We don’t whine about grade school kids being off limits when it comes to sex. We know history is real and should not be revised to fit our own personal biases. Cats are good and noble creatures. And no one demo should rule over the other.
Obsidian Files: Well, you’re off to a lovely, lovely start.
1: Admit you have no knowledge of the actual subject of the post (to-wit, the racial make-up of the MR sub-reddit).
2: Offer to engage us in discussion anyway, in the most condescending tone possible.
3: Link to a completely irrelevant Spearhead article. (There’s definitely something to be said about the media’s treatment of Ramsey’s criminal record, and the likely racist attitudes that underlined that decision. However, the Spearhead article made no mention of his race specifically as a factor, and focused entirely on whining about how horrible the media is to men.)
4: Make a blanket statement about feminist spaces with no support or evidence offered whatsoever and then ask an insulting and irrelevant rhetorical question.
The recent trop of trolls are good at picking appropriate nyms, you have to give them that.
Now I also want to address the accusation on another thread that I am MRAL. This is emphatically false, and I will continue my activism here until the real MRAL comes back or until you ludicrous dunderheads retract this accusation. I would like to someday converse with MRAL, but I am not he; the fact you continue to aceverate this contension, shows how closed your mind is in the box of feminism and is not freed by the jeremiahdic paradigm of Christian neodadaism. I am in fact the same person as ProPatria Truthteller. You can see that I have a similar style to PPT, with signficiant differences from MRAL. One person said “MRAL; you are not trying any more.” Doesn’t that say something? I am also traveling this summer so even if I am banned, I can always return. God bless you all.