So here’s an interesting chart. Guess what it represents?
A) The membership of the David Duke Fan Club
B) The racial breakdown of the most successful Liberace impersonators
C) The demographics of the Men’s Rights subreddit
Well, ok, that was too easy. It is of course all of the above. I’m guessing. It’s definitely C, at least, as this chart was prepared to show the results of the 2013 Men’s Rights subreddit demographic survey.
Now, you might say, well, isn’t Reddit itself a pretty white place? And you would be right. But the Men’s Rights subreddit seems to be a bit whiter — and a lot less black — than Reddit as a whole, if Quantcast’s estimates of Reddit’s overall ethnic breakdown are accurate.
In other completely non-surprising news, 89% of Men’s Rights Redditors are men. And a lot of them are libertarians. MRAs complain endlessly that we pigeonhole them as a bunch of entitled white dudes. They’re really not doing much to challenge that assumption.
The most important issue to these fellas (and the small minority that aren’t fellas)? Survey says: False rape accusations.
Other critical issues to the Men’s Rightsers include “custody rights” (which is a bit odd because 92% of those surveyed have no kids), “legal discrimination” (whatever that means), “education discrimination” (this is a thing?), and “male disposability.”
“Male birth control” and “paper abortion,” while relatively less important to the Men’s Rightsers, each got hundreds of votes.
I’m surprised “friendzoning” isn’t at the top of the list, but unfortunately it wasn’t one of the choices. I blame misandry.
@BS:
“Yup. Like I said before, the “paper abortion” idea is an attempt to draw an equivalency where there is none.”
O: Sure there is; both sexes should have the right to determine when and under what circumstances they wish to become parents, intensely private decisions that shouldn’t be infringed on by anyone else.
“When a man gets pregnant, I fully support his right to terminate the pregnancy occurring in his body. Presently, men don’t tend to get pregnant. Women do, and so they get to choose. In the meantime, mra’s should be pressing for increased access to contraception, teaching of comprehensive sex ed, and the creation of an effective male birth control pill, which would reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies in the first place. But alas, they’d rather spend their days making endless posts whining about “western women/modern women”.”
O: MRAs are not against any of these measures in the least; what we are for, is pressing for the state-recognized right to determine when it is best for us to become parents, and not ones against our will.
O.
Brilliant. So violence against men by women is this horrible thing (it IS a horrible thing), and “manosphere” bloggers and mra’s mention it constantly, but when someone points out that most serious violence against men is committed by other men, it’s “Oh, well violent crime is down actually.” How convenient.
@Drst:
“Your demand that David & the rest of us focus on unrelated subjects instead of the one that’s disturbing to you personally and would like people not to think about is a derailing tactic. It’s a very, very old argument, btw.”
O: Hardly. I welcome maximum focus and scrutiny on these issues.
“I’m sure you’re patting yourself on the back for how smart you’re being,”
O: Actually, no, I’m not…
“but when your Mom yells at you for writing on the wall with crayon and you say you saw your sister spill grape juice on the carpet once… well, that’s the level of rhetoric you’re at right now.”
O: No, I’m not, because I said, right from the outset, that I freely admit the racism problem in the MRM. Nor have I denied the fact that the MRM is very White.
What I have argued, is that we can say the same things about the Feminists, who have had quite a few bumps in the road along these lines.
O.
Amazing article you’ve got there. You have no problem with a woman saying no: it’s just that, when you pester a woman so much that she literally has to say “fuck off,” you counsel that the appropriate move is to act in such a way as to retain power.
In fact, that’s what Game is. It’s all about convincing your fragile ego that you have so much more power than you do. We can all see it in your article when you say that a woman telling a man—sorry, Man, The Capitalization Is Very Important—to fuck off is “actually about her telling you that you’re too good for her”. You can’t even let a woman own the fact that she doesn’t want a particular man.
I’ve addressed this point…
No, you haven’t. Across the board.
Game is a pattern book for rape. That you don’t rape (and/or that you phrase it so that you have plausible deniability) doesn’t change that.
So, you support Game, therefore you endorse rape.
As to WF Price, He’s a racist. The name of his site is a callout to it, but here’s an example.
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/06/20/how-racial-politics-will-subordinate-feminism/
Even if you are willing to argue that it’s not racist (and just telling me you don’t think is is, not convincing. Structure an argument; if you can), he doesn’t give a shit about the racists who post in his blog, which is a marked difference from the social mores here.
For me, it is simple. I have two sons who happen to both be white like me. In tune with the spirit of the times, Obama wants to continue to take power, freedom and wealth from white men like me and wants to continue to transfer it to women and minorities. So, despite the fact I can only guess what type of president Romney might be, I will vote for him. I will especially vote for him because he is not as likely to appoint extremely destructive supreme court justices and promote extremely destructive social policies.
Romney appointed two feminists supreme court justices the first time around because he had nothing to gain by appointing blacks (he and his strategist obviously being aware that the black vote was going to remain his no matter what he did), but could have lost votes by doing so. I think that without the need to be re-elected, we will probably see a different Obama the second term if he gets in. And his supreme justice appointments might put the final nails in the constitution of the USA.
Your pal Price, is a racist, in deeds of comission, and omission. He speaks racism, he condones racism.
Walks like duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck… must be a canary.
Obsidian: yeah, those links would be great if they actually said what you think they do, ya fuckin’ moron.
Let’s add “can’t read” to your other faults.
Maybe it’s not cops curing crime, maybe Lead is the real criminal element
I get it. They have no time for your useless ass, so now it’s personal. Your issues are showing.
Nobinayamu:
“Are you fucking serious?”
O: Deadly.
“My father is 5′ 5″, has 3 daughters. So he had sex at least three times.”
O: Good on him! Anything else?
“Most of the other short men I’ve known have girlfriends/wives/fuck buddies.”
O: How many? Give me a number. 25? 100? 1,000? 5,000?
“Okay, I think I see the problem. You are not “short men.” You may be a short man”
O: Well, let’s just say that I’m taller than your dear old dad…
“but you and your experiences are not a monolithic representation.”
O: True.
“Women do date short men. Every day. As evidence I present: the world right in front of me.”
O: LOL. Nice! Quick, list me out all the Feminists who have Men as short as your dad?
I’ll wait…
O.
@Hellkell:
“I get it. They have no time for your useless ass, so now it’s personal. Your issues are showing.”
O: LOL, you wish so badly, don’t you? And you didn’t curse at me!-I’m disappointed.
I’ll take your exasperation as your concession on the matter.
Noted…
O.
No one here denied that, shithead. But you seem to think that two white things are the same. The MRM and Feminism are nowhere near each other in terms of how they deal with race.
@Pecunium:
“Maybe it’s not cops curing crime, maybe Lead is the real criminal element”
O: Nah, it’s cops. And building of new prisions, too.
O.
I’m not conceding shit, dickweed. You may not realize, but what you chose to comment on tells us a lot about you.
I see you’ve avoided my question, Obsidian. As anyone can see, the answer is that you are also a misogynist.
He’s a grotesque shitbird. The banhammer cannot fall on it too soon.
@Hellkell:
“Obsidian: yeah, those links would be great if they actually said what you think they do, ya fuckin’ moron.”
O: Ahh, there’s the Hellkell I know and love! abuse me, baby! LOL!
I know, I know, read it and weep, sis. Violent crime is really low in Philly and NYC these days, and I ought to know, I’ve lived in both.
“Let’s add “can’t read” to your other faults.”
O: Let’s add “cant’ go five minutes without a cuss” to yours…
O.
@Tulgey:
“I see you’ve avoided my question, Obsidian. As anyone can see, the answer is that you are also a misogynist.”
O: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, yes? I have a blog, and more than two dozen articles published at the Spearhead and elsewhere. Mr. Futrelle hasn’t found anything that would be considered misogynistic by me; perhaps you will prove more successful!
Link and quote away…
O.
Obsidian: you can do better than a tone troll. Let’s not pretend you’ve any high ground because you don’t swear. Fuck that noise.
@Hellkell:
“I’m not conceding shit, dickweed.”
O: LOL!!! More, please! Every four-letter word that drips from your lips is yet another confirmation of my argument. Keep em comin!
“You may not realize, but what you chose to comment on tells us a lot about you.”
O: Just as the kind of swear words speaks volumes about you…
“He’s a grotesque shitbird.”
O: Yes! More, please!
“The banhammer cannot fall on it too soon.”
O: Why? Because you can’t handle my arguments?
O.
Ah, more “NO U.”
What argument? I don’t see any arguments. I see a sub-moronic dipshit showing his ass because he’s not nearly as smart as he thinks he is.
If there’s an argument you’re making, whip it out.
@Hellkell:
“Obsidian: you can do better than a tone troll. Let’s not pretend you’ve any high ground because you don’t swear. Fuck that noise.”
O: LOL!!! Yes! MOOOORE! Please!!!
I love it!
LOL
O.
Both sexes already do. They have the right to use contraception if they choose to. However, women have the right to choose to terminate a pregnancy because the pregnancy occurs in their body.
Where’s your argument?
So I take it that ‘O’ stands for ‘Obnoxious?’ Everything makes sense now.