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Bride of the Monster: The Red Pill Subreddit creates Red Pill Women

He's kino escalating, but that is clearly NOT an indicator of interest.
He’s kino escalating, but she’s not giving him any Indicators of Interest.

So you all remember The Red Pill subreddit, that wretched hive of scum and misogyny I wrote about the other day, and the other other day, and the other other other day before that. Well, now something even more horrible has sprouted up on Reddit, like genital warts after a night “raw dogging it” with a PUA douchebag.

It’s a new subreddit from the Red Pill masterminds called Red Pill Women.

But wait, you say, isn’t The Red Pill subreddit all about manipulating and exploiting women sexually and generally just being misogynistic douchebags generally? What on earth might a Red Pill subreddit have to offer women?

In a 1400-word “welcome” statement, RedPillSchool, the subreddit’s top mod, tries to explain why the ladies might want to join up.

He starts by laying down some biotruths, by which I mean that he repeats the standard-issue manosphere fairy tale about men and women and the cock carousel:

A man’s biological imperative is to procreate. Some men (the few– less than 20%) are very attractive to women and may take on as many partners as he can. There’s no telling if he’ll stick around to help with the young, but rest assured he’ll make the rounds. Other men aren’t as attractive are happy being providers. This is a majority of men. They want to settle down, have a family. Their biological impulses, believe it or not, is to make a woman happy. It’s both a feature, and as we’ve discovered on /r/theredpill, one of man’s biggest weaknesses.

A woman’s biological imperative is to procreate. (We’re not so different!) Her strategy is slightly different. She wants provisions, but she also wants the highest quality DNA to procreate with. Unfortunately for guys, this sometimes ends up with women having sex with one of the attractive but noncommittal men, and then finding another man to do the provisioning. Her strategy is two-fold: have sex with the highest value males as possible, and get commitment from the highest value males possible. If possible: get both in one man. If not, get both from separate men.

As for those accusastions of misogyny, RedPillSchool responds with a big “nuh-uh!”

It isn’t. The red pill is about accepting reality for what it is. As you’ve seen above, men and women’s mating strategies are at odds with each other, and a lot of men on /r/theredpill are a bit angry. But they’re not angry because this is reality. They’re angry because they spent a majority of their lives being told that this isn’t reality, and putting them at a severe disadvantage.

Oh, so they don’t hate women. They’re just jusifiably angry at them.

Once we embrace what reality is, we find our relationships to be more successful, more fulfilling, and a better deal for ourselves and for the women we’ve dated. We’ve concentrated on what women like, and by doing so have been able to make ourselves into mates that women would want.

Yeah, women love dudes who spend all their time online talking about how awful women are.

So what do Red Pill men want women to do for them?

Sorry, I meant, what can the Red Pill Women subreddit help women to do that will be just fantastic for them, the women?

Well, the past half a century was the march of feminism telling women that they don’t need to do anything for men, that they are perfect and don’t need to change, that change or compromise is oppression, and that you can have it all. A career, kids, family, education- it’s all yours.

The problem is that our culture ended up self indulgent with no long-term goals, and thusly- no long term happiness (at least where family is concerned).

With divorce rates skyrocketing, single motherhood increasing, never-marrieds piling up, and hook-up culture and one night stands at an all time high, people are reaching 35 going.. where’s my family?

Huh. Taking the Red Pill must really do something to your eyesight, because the divorce rate has been heading downwards for the last thirty years.

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But let’s just ignore the false premise here and continue on:

Women, you have the ability to find happiness when you embrace the reality of your biological urges and impulses. You have the ability and the requirement to become the optimal mate for your optimal mate. Do not believe the hype that you are good enough how you are, and realize that in life, the only things worth having take work.

Oh dear. So what sort of “self-improvement” advice will the subreddit contain? Apparently, a lot of misogynistic insults. Oh, sorry, harsh truths.

This forum will embarce truth first and foremost, sensitivity be damned. While I encourage people to remain positive towards each other, plain insults are discouraged, I understand that sometimes the truth will seem like an insult.

Ok, so who exactly is qualified to give advice on RedPill women?

RedPillWomen is not the place for men to show up and spout nonsense.

Ok, but you’re a man, and you’re spouting nonsense.

We have an unofficial rule on  /r/theredpill that basically amounts to: don’t listen to women about sexual strategy. It’s not that we don’t like women, it’s that women really have a hard time seeing past what they like to understand men have a different palate.

Um, what? Why would this mean that you shouldn’t listen to women?

The same goes for men, perhaps even worse so. Men, being the less discriminating gender, are more-or-less programmed to find women sexy.. no matter what. And when a woman says, “I like to eat pie with my fingers” you’ll have sex-thirsty guys line up out the door willing to say anything for female validation. “I love women who eat with their fingers.”

Wait, did I wander into the wrong subreddit? Why are we talking about pie?

Men will say anything for female validation. Men are utterly and completely blind when it comes to what attracts them. They are clueless. They are conditioned by society to tell you that things we’re supposed to find attractive are attractive. And why not? In our minds, if I find you attractive, and you exhibit certain qualities, it’s hard to isolate which qualities were the ones we found attractive.

Huh?

But you’re not looking for low-hanging-fruit.

Now we’re on to fruit? Was RedPillSchool just really hungry when he wrote this?

You could just walk into a bar with no clothes if you want to make men drool. But instead, you want to make yourself into the woman who will snag the highest value mate. You want to redefine high value to mean longest-term happiness. And you don’t want just any old schmo to drool over you. So don’t take schmo’s advice. It’s terrible.

RedPillSchool, I served with Joe Schmo. I knew Joe Schmo. Joe Schmo was a friend of mine. RedPillSchool, you’re no Joe Schmo.

Welcome! I hope this will be a productive place to discuss sexual strategy for women.

I can’t wait to see what sort of “sexual strategy” these guys advocate. Maybe we can assemble a list of some of the best suggestions.

Meanwhile, that white supremacist dude who thinks that women who hate the Red Pill dudes are all secretly into them — that guy I wrote about the other day — is already excited to see a subreddit of Red Pill “cheerleaders.”

It looks like TheRedPill Mannerbund, which at first only attracted TheBluePill hecklers, has now attracted some cheerleaders.

Perhaps a sorority forming next to the fraternity.

Notice TheRedPill kept the women out (at least female centric opinion, since this is virtual space) and now we see the reaction: submit and service.

My opponents of course could only interpret “service” as sexual, which is was partly but not completely. The women are no longer heckling the mannerbund, but have adopted the mannerbund’s agenda – they have become cheerleaders.

What he doesn’t know is that one of those cheerleaders is me — I just subscribed. Let’s see if they notice and ban me.

The Blue Pill squad is on the case as well, with a bunch of posts devoted to this exciting new development.

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cloudiah
11 years ago

Apparently there’s something called the “Apocalypse Opener” that is legendary in the “Seduction Community.”

They are so excitable, these dudes.

baroncognito
11 years ago

something called the “Apocalypse Opener”

“I’m blue, I’ve got lips all the way to my ears, and I’ve got an Egyptian style cult dedicated to me”?

katz
11 years ago

Apparently there’s something called the “Apocalypse Opener” that is legendary in the “Seduction Community.”

I’m assuming this is for guys you wouldn’t have sex with unless they were the last man on Earth.

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

something called the “Apocalypse Opener”

I scared. I don’t want to know. But I HAVE TO.

“I’m blue, I’ve got lips all the way to my ears, and I’ve got an Egyptian style cult dedicated to me”?

….better than whatever move the “seduction” community has for this name, guaranteed.

SittieKitty
11 years ago

I’m assuming this is for guys you wouldn’t have sex with unless they were the last man on Earth.

Maybe it’s so funny you’ll die laughing? Or so bad you’ll kill the PUA who tries it?

MaudeLL
11 years ago

There was a ‘feminism totally won’ discussion in a class yesterday. Yup. *looks at comments above*
(my blood boiled for about 45 minutes. I guess that makes me an angry stalinismo-feminist with no sense of humour!)

MaudeLL
11 years ago

I’m assuming this is for guys you wouldn’t have sex with unless they were the last man on Earth.

Sorry. Abstinence suddenly looks really inviting (assuming there are no women left either).

therainparade
11 years ago

I think the scariest part about reading all of these PUA strategies that sound so god-awful to most of us is that they could actually be a really effective form of abuse and manipulation on a lot of women and girls BECAUSE of the way culture trains us to prioritize men and our relationship with men. According to culture, it doesn’t really matter at all how they treat you – all that matters is their level of interest in and satisfaction with you. Within that mindset, you really will drive yourself to distraction to “keep” a man, even if he’s a total asshole. :/

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

they could actually be a really effective form of abuse and manipulation on a lot of women and girls BECAUSE of the way culture trains us to prioritize men and our relationship with men.

Yup.

Countdown to ‘it was just a little light gaslighting.’ (or does he only monitor the posts?)

dustydeste
dustydeste
11 years ago

I’m assuming this is for guys you wouldn’t have sex with unless they were the last man on Earth.

Yeah, I’m thinking I’m not in love enough with the concept of the continuing human race that I’d do it with some asshat PUA just because he was the only dick-having person left. I mean, really, why would I want to doom my children to A) having genes from such a douchenozzle, and B) being the last people on Earth themselves, unless they got all incest-y and had incest babies who would have more incest babies? That is just not how you get a healthy population, anyways. No matter how you look at it, I’m pretty sure the GRAND CAUSE of continuing the human race is not really well-served.

inurashii
inurashii
11 years ago

I looked up the ‘Apocalypse Opener’. It’s literally just asking the woman to go home with you two sentences after meeting her.

inurashii
inurashii
11 years ago

which … is actually one of the least creepy PUA strategies I have encountered, I’ll give it that.

Shaenon
11 years ago

I looked up the ‘Apocalypse Opener’. It’s literally just asking the woman to go home with you two sentences after meeting her.

To be fair, this probably works more often than any other PUA advice.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Argh. New post and comments and I won’t be able to read ’em today because our godawful general manager is down here stealing our oxygen … rage!

SittieKitty
11 years ago

To be fair, this probably works more often than any other PUA advice.

Yep. The less they can talk, the less you might figure out what huge asshats they are. That’s actually a really good strategy and they should learn to just never speak. Out loud. Or on the internet. Ever.

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

Holy crap, the entire ‘Apocalypse’ thing is just… be honest about what you’re looking for in this interaction, and see if that’s what she wants too?

Um. Wow.

Shaenon nails it, this will actually lead to better results every time. Because you’ll end with a partner who was really looking for the same thing you were.

Welp. If ES shows up, I’ll have to let him know that he has my express approval to use this one at all times.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@therainparade

I think the scariest part about reading all of these PUA strategies that sound so god-awful to most of us is that they could actually be a really effective form of abuse and manipulation on a lot of women and girls BECAUSE of the way culture trains us to prioritize men and our relationship with men. According to culture, it doesn’t really matter at all how they treat you – all that matters is their level of interest in and satisfaction with you. Within that mindset, you really will drive yourself to distraction to “keep” a man, even if he’s a total asshole. :/

Fuck 🙁 /people putting into words things I haven’t thought about before and now I have a sad.

ignotussomnium
11 years ago

@thekidwiththereplaceablehead

Thanks for that link. That’s also horribly fucked up. These articles make it really obvious that these guys don’t actually care about having relationships with women. They just see women as status symbols and sex dispensers.

Personally my “visceral vagina-area response” to this bullshit is a horrible feeling like my vag is going to stitch itself closed forever.

SittieKitty
11 years ago

Marie, have kittens instead:

therainparade
11 years ago

Aww, Marie! I didn’t mean to give you a sad! That just means it’s super important for us to love and strengthen the women and girls we know, so they recognize their OWN worth. We’ve got to teach that abuse isn’t exciting or romantic. We’re getting a good start on that in our own interactions and communities, right? We’ve just got to keep it rolling!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

It’s nature’s own chastity belt! My vagina attempts to weld itself shut every time these dudes talk about sex. Especially Roissy.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@sittiekitty

D’aww. Kitties <3

@therainparade

Not your fault. 🙂 You made a good comment, I was just getting food-for-thoughted.

baroncognito
11 years ago

I looked up the ‘Apocalypse Opener’. It’s literally just asking the woman to go home with you two sentences after meeting her.

What an odd name for it. I’d understand calling it “The abrupt approach” or the “Because who needs to talk anyway? opener” but what about that suggests apocalypse… unless your home is a burned out flat.

Karalora
Karalora
11 years ago

Shaenon nails it, this will actually lead to better results every time. Because you’ll end with a partner who was really looking for the same thing you were.

But see…they don’t want a partner who was looking for the same thing as them. They want to win, which in their book means making some poor woman lose. They want to feel like they’ve tricked her into sleeping with them. They want to be big manly predators taking down prey. And that’s why they insist that men and women have opposite mating strategies – to propose that men and women basically want the the same things (or at least, that roughly the same proportion of men as women want X, and ditto for Y and Z and all the other letters) is like saying lions and gazelles both have the same plans for what to do with the gazelle’s internal organs.

dustydeste
dustydeste
11 years ago

…to propose that men and women basically want the the same things (or at least, that roughly the same proportion of men as women want X, and ditto for Y and Z and all the other letters) is like saying lions and gazelles both have the same plans for what to do with the gazelle’s internal organs.

So what I’m hearing is that I should be hunting down PUAs, tearing out their internal organs, and devouring their flesh? Because clearly the PUAs can’t be the female felines, here, given that lady lions do the hunting… But really, that just sounds unhealthy. I can’t imagine PUA meat would be healthy at all.