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Bride of the Monster: The Red Pill Subreddit creates Red Pill Women

He's kino escalating, but that is clearly NOT an indicator of interest.
He’s kino escalating, but she’s not giving him any Indicators of Interest.

So you all remember The Red Pill subreddit, that wretched hive of scum and misogyny I wrote about the other day, and the other other day, and the other other other day before that. Well, now something even more horrible has sprouted up on Reddit, like genital warts after a night “raw dogging it” with a PUA douchebag.

It’s a new subreddit from the Red Pill masterminds called Red Pill Women.

But wait, you say, isn’t The Red Pill subreddit all about manipulating and exploiting women sexually and generally just being misogynistic douchebags generally? What on earth might a Red Pill subreddit have to offer women?

In a 1400-word “welcome” statement, RedPillSchool, the subreddit’s top mod, tries to explain why the ladies might want to join up.

He starts by laying down some biotruths, by which I mean that he repeats the standard-issue manosphere fairy tale about men and women and the cock carousel:

A man’s biological imperative is to procreate. Some men (the few– less than 20%) are very attractive to women and may take on as many partners as he can. There’s no telling if he’ll stick around to help with the young, but rest assured he’ll make the rounds. Other men aren’t as attractive are happy being providers. This is a majority of men. They want to settle down, have a family. Their biological impulses, believe it or not, is to make a woman happy. It’s both a feature, and as we’ve discovered on /r/theredpill, one of man’s biggest weaknesses.

A woman’s biological imperative is to procreate. (We’re not so different!) Her strategy is slightly different. She wants provisions, but she also wants the highest quality DNA to procreate with. Unfortunately for guys, this sometimes ends up with women having sex with one of the attractive but noncommittal men, and then finding another man to do the provisioning. Her strategy is two-fold: have sex with the highest value males as possible, and get commitment from the highest value males possible. If possible: get both in one man. If not, get both from separate men.

As for those accusastions of misogyny, RedPillSchool responds with a big “nuh-uh!”

It isn’t. The red pill is about accepting reality for what it is. As you’ve seen above, men and women’s mating strategies are at odds with each other, and a lot of men on /r/theredpill are a bit angry. But they’re not angry because this is reality. They’re angry because they spent a majority of their lives being told that this isn’t reality, and putting them at a severe disadvantage.

Oh, so they don’t hate women. They’re just jusifiably angry at them.

Once we embrace what reality is, we find our relationships to be more successful, more fulfilling, and a better deal for ourselves and for the women we’ve dated. We’ve concentrated on what women like, and by doing so have been able to make ourselves into mates that women would want.

Yeah, women love dudes who spend all their time online talking about how awful women are.

So what do Red Pill men want women to do for them?

Sorry, I meant, what can the Red Pill Women subreddit help women to do that will be just fantastic for them, the women?

Well, the past half a century was the march of feminism telling women that they don’t need to do anything for men, that they are perfect and don’t need to change, that change or compromise is oppression, and that you can have it all. A career, kids, family, education- it’s all yours.

The problem is that our culture ended up self indulgent with no long-term goals, and thusly- no long term happiness (at least where family is concerned).

With divorce rates skyrocketing, single motherhood increasing, never-marrieds piling up, and hook-up culture and one night stands at an all time high, people are reaching 35 going.. where’s my family?

Huh. Taking the Red Pill must really do something to your eyesight, because the divorce rate has been heading downwards for the last thirty years.

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But let’s just ignore the false premise here and continue on:

Women, you have the ability to find happiness when you embrace the reality of your biological urges and impulses. You have the ability and the requirement to become the optimal mate for your optimal mate. Do not believe the hype that you are good enough how you are, and realize that in life, the only things worth having take work.

Oh dear. So what sort of “self-improvement” advice will the subreddit contain? Apparently, a lot of misogynistic insults. Oh, sorry, harsh truths.

This forum will embarce truth first and foremost, sensitivity be damned. While I encourage people to remain positive towards each other, plain insults are discouraged, I understand that sometimes the truth will seem like an insult.

Ok, so who exactly is qualified to give advice on RedPill women?

RedPillWomen is not the place for men to show up and spout nonsense.

Ok, but you’re a man, and you’re spouting nonsense.

We have an unofficial rule on  /r/theredpill that basically amounts to: don’t listen to women about sexual strategy. It’s not that we don’t like women, it’s that women really have a hard time seeing past what they like to understand men have a different palate.

Um, what? Why would this mean that you shouldn’t listen to women?

The same goes for men, perhaps even worse so. Men, being the less discriminating gender, are more-or-less programmed to find women sexy.. no matter what. And when a woman says, “I like to eat pie with my fingers” you’ll have sex-thirsty guys line up out the door willing to say anything for female validation. “I love women who eat with their fingers.”

Wait, did I wander into the wrong subreddit? Why are we talking about pie?

Men will say anything for female validation. Men are utterly and completely blind when it comes to what attracts them. They are clueless. They are conditioned by society to tell you that things we’re supposed to find attractive are attractive. And why not? In our minds, if I find you attractive, and you exhibit certain qualities, it’s hard to isolate which qualities were the ones we found attractive.

Huh?

But you’re not looking for low-hanging-fruit.

Now we’re on to fruit? Was RedPillSchool just really hungry when he wrote this?

You could just walk into a bar with no clothes if you want to make men drool. But instead, you want to make yourself into the woman who will snag the highest value mate. You want to redefine high value to mean longest-term happiness. And you don’t want just any old schmo to drool over you. So don’t take schmo’s advice. It’s terrible.

RedPillSchool, I served with Joe Schmo. I knew Joe Schmo. Joe Schmo was a friend of mine. RedPillSchool, you’re no Joe Schmo.

Welcome! I hope this will be a productive place to discuss sexual strategy for women.

I can’t wait to see what sort of “sexual strategy” these guys advocate. Maybe we can assemble a list of some of the best suggestions.

Meanwhile, that white supremacist dude who thinks that women who hate the Red Pill dudes are all secretly into them — that guy I wrote about the other day — is already excited to see a subreddit of Red Pill “cheerleaders.”

It looks like TheRedPill Mannerbund, which at first only attracted TheBluePill hecklers, has now attracted some cheerleaders.

Perhaps a sorority forming next to the fraternity.

Notice TheRedPill kept the women out (at least female centric opinion, since this is virtual space) and now we see the reaction: submit and service.

My opponents of course could only interpret “service” as sexual, which is was partly but not completely. The women are no longer heckling the mannerbund, but have adopted the mannerbund’s agenda – they have become cheerleaders.

What he doesn’t know is that one of those cheerleaders is me — I just subscribed. Let’s see if they notice and ban me.

The Blue Pill squad is on the case as well, with a bunch of posts devoted to this exciting new development.

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baroncognito
11 years ago

What annoys me most about “mannerbund” is that it’s not that damn hard to find the ä combination (alt+132) on a keyboard. Failing that, how much effort does it take to type maennerbund?

Shaenon
11 years ago

Being a Red Pill Woman seems like a lot of work to get an asshole to sleep with you. You’d think getting an asshole to sleep with you would be easier than getting a cool dude to sleep with you, but apparently it’s the opposite.

La Strega
11 years ago

Ugh, the “genital warts are no big deal” PUA guy… I feel like buying a huge box of condoms and handing them out to every woman I see.

AndersH
AndersH
11 years ago

It’s like people’s understanding about social factors like divorce and crime solidified in the mid-80s and are now something people know in the very core of their beings.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
11 years ago

The best way for a woman to secure a high quality commitment card is to have a really valuable sex card, which she doesn’t give away just like that.

He didn’t mention the 15% APR financing. You use your sex card at too many shops or restaurants and you will be hit with huge interest fees, unless you pay your bill on time every month. And this is the rate you get with a good credit score. On the other hand, pay all your utility bills with a commitment card, and eventually you’ll earn enough airline miles to take a trip to Hawaii. These are important factors to consider with sex cards and commitment cards.

Falconer
Falconer
11 years ago

I don’t really want to go check the link for myself, but if that’s the bit about the guy setting it up so his significant other is afraid of him going through doors, pointing to doors, etc, because it signifies his leaving her, I’ve heard that one before and it is fucked up beyond all belief. That is not how adults should relationship. In fact, I’d just go right out and say that that is abuse.

Oh god yes. I’ve never been in an abusive relationship and just thinking about the door discipline bullshit makes me feel like I can’t breathe.

ignotussomnium
ignotussomnium
11 years ago

I don’t really want to go check the link for myself, but if that’s the bit about the guy setting it up so his significant other is afraid of him going through doors, pointing to doors, etc, because it signifies his leaving her, I’ve heard that one before and it is fucked up beyond all belief. That is not how adults should relationship. In fact, I’d just go right out and say that that is abuse.

Yeah, that’s the one. The site says that the man should “instill fear” (of him leaving) in his girlfriend/wife because then she’ll have sex with him more often. And then claims that’s how healthy relationships work. Emotional manipulation and a side of codependence: fun for the whole family!

MaudeLL
11 years ago

@bionicmommy/cassandrasays/jessay
It’s sad, when I read about the kickstarter, my reaction was “he’s just writing what tons of guys do. Common.”
I hope this asshole gets kicked out quick, I’m fucking sick of this shit.
But hey, rape culture doesn’t exist.

ostara321
ostara321
11 years ago

Being a Red Pill Woman seems like a lot of work to get an asshole to sleep with you. You’d think getting an asshole to sleep with you would be easier than getting a cool dude to sleep with you, but apparently it’s the opposite.

My thoughts exactly.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Oh, and the general consensus over at RPW is that this dude’s list of things to expect in a relationship with him is awesome.

Some samples:

3. I will endeavor to do the right thing often. Sometimes, I will endeavor to do the wrong thing. Oddly enough, I will be able to Truthfully justify my wrong actions more than my right ones. This is life in the real world. [To be fair, the RPW folks found this one odd.]

4. I will rant about how too few people follow the rules. I, of course, believe they do not apply to me. This is not hypocrisy; I’m an outlaw.

5. I will be grouchy/cranky with a fair amount of frequency; I will overstate my mood with humor. Learn to enjoy this or our time together will be short, indeed.

9. I will rush to conflict more rapidly than anyone you’ve ever met. This is in order to arrive at resolution with the utmost alacrity – not because I enjoy conflict (I don’t).

10. We are not attracted to the same things. Realize this to your very soul.

11. Communicate with me on as deep a level as possible – then go two deeper. I’ve seen/experienced more than you’d ever guess so nothing will shock me. That’s a guarantee.

12. You will likely “do more” for me than I “do for you”. See rule 10. If you still don’t understand, that’s fine; it’s very complex – maybe I’ll explain it more someday.

16. I’m a man. If you don’t know all that entails, ask your grandmother (elderly women), they remember them and know how to handle them.

21. You are free to leave at any time. But, if we are “official”, do not cheat. You will not enjoy the consequences. This is not a threat, simply fair warning and a statement of fact.

ignotussomnium
ignotussomnium
11 years ago

Sorry, skimmed over it again. The article they linked to doesn’t say anything about doors, specifically, but has a lot of “tips” like “flirt with other girls when you know she’s watching” “ignore her” “bring up the awesome sex things your exes did” and “actually have an affair.” These are apparently tips to keeping one’s girlfriend. Somehow.

katz
11 years ago

RedPillSchool, I served with Joe Schmo. I knew Joe Schmo. Joe Schmo was a friend of mine. RedPillSchool, you’re no Joe Schmo.

He’s pretty homophobic. But otherwise he seems cool.

SittieKitty
11 years ago

Wow.. Just… Wow… I’m (not at all) surprised that this subreddit is all about changing women’s perceived sexual “nature”. What I don’t understand? Why don’t they just accept reality* as being reality and get over the fact* that women are all programmed to fuck the 1% for their genes and have other men help raise them. Seems like some blue pill shit to me, since they’re going for the Matrix reference.

“Let’s all close our eyes to reality and believe that everything can be changed” *waves hands around* “See? All better! Now we don’t even have to accept the biotruths we spout insisting that this is just the way life is, we can believe whatever we want!!”

It makes it double ironic for me as I am planning on being a single parent by choice in the next couple years… Wonder what they’d have to say about me.

*reality is in the eye of the beholder, obviously, and facts are those things we make up out our ass, right?

MaudeLL
11 years ago

@Cloudiah
Is it satire? I can’t tell.
(Your cat is adorable!)

SittieKitty
11 years ago

I will be grouchy/cranky with a fair amount of frequency; I will overstate my mood with humor. Learn to enjoy this or our time together will be short, indeed.

I cannot think of a more optimistic phrase from a RPers mouth than our time together will be short.

thekidwiththereplaceablehead

ignotussomnium
Warning, emotional abuse:
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http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/dread/
“Women respond viscerally in their vagina area to unpredictability, mixed signals, danger, and drama in spite of their best efforts to convince themselves otherwise. Managing your relationship in such a way that she is left with a constant, gnawing feeling of impending doom will do more for your cause than all the Valentine’s Day cards and expertly performed tongue love in the world. Like it or not, the threat of a looming breakup, whether the facts justify it or not, will spin her into a paranoid estrogen-fueled tizzy, and she’ll spend every waking second thinking about you, thinking about the relationship, thinking about how to fix it. Her love for you will blossom under these conditions. Result: she works harder to please you.”

The “door pattern” is an example of this: http://manboobz.com/2013/03/12/the-door-pattern-creepiest-bit-of-pickup-artist-bullshit-ever/

thekidwiththereplaceablehead

Jesus fuck I know this stuff and it’s in my brain now. Why.

baroncognito
11 years ago

Just get a new head.

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

3. I will endeavor to do the right thing often. Sometimes, I will endeavor to do the wrong thing. Oddly enough, I will be able to Truthfully justify my wrong actions more than my right ones. This is life in the real world. [To be fair, the RPW folks found this one odd.]

This…. is true? How the human mind works? Self-justification is one way humans get around cognitive disonance.

He may have takean a psych class at some point.

His other points… over the top misogyny? Poe’s law applies. They relly do think all that, so I can’t tellif somebody is satirizing them subtly.

Heh. These guys and subtle, in the same sentence?

Dread. Game.

SittieKitty
11 years ago

Women respond viscerally in their vagina area to unpredictability, mixed signals, danger, and drama in spite of their best efforts to convince themselves otherwise.

How the fuck does he even “know” this. I’m assuming he doesn’t have one, and I’m assuming he doesn’t have a way of testing this. I’ve never read any study describing some instrument that measures visceral responses in the vaginal area after putting women with them into dangerous situations? Dude, just because you want something to be true, doesn’t make it so, no matter how much you need it to be true in order to justify your emotional abuse bullshit. Also, estrogen doesn’t work that way. Just sayin’.

JustJulia
JustJulia
11 years ago

Sunshine Scary (Sunshine Mary and the Dragon) and Red Pill Wifey have commented that they’re excited about this and eager to contribute. Should be interesting.

baroncognito
11 years ago

4. I will rant about how too few people follow the rules. I, of course, believe they do not apply to me. This is not hypocrisy; I’m an outlaw.

Saying you’re an outlaw doesn’t change the definition of things. “I eat bread all the time, but this doesn’t mean I eat gluten. I’m an outlaw.”

“I read books all the time, but this doesn’t mean I’m literate. I’m an outlaw.”

“I have fur, a four chambered heart, vestigial mammary glands, reproduce sexually, and my species gives birth to live young, but that doesn’t mean I’m a mammal. I’m an outlaw.”

ostara321
ostara321
11 years ago

Like it or not, the threat of a looming breakup, whether the facts justify it or not, will spin her into a paranoid estrogen-fueled tizzy, and she’ll spend every waking second thinking about you, thinking about the relationship, thinking about how to fix it. Her love for you will blossom under these conditions. Result: she works harder to please you.”

And people wonder where the “bitches be crazy” stereotype comes from. If your goal is to gaslight and manipulate your partner into a state of perpetual emotional torment, don’t be surprised when that backfires. Jesus Jones.

Dark Phoenix
Dark Phoenix
11 years ago

Do they provide a citation for anything?

Aaliyah
11 years ago

“Women respond viscerally in their vagina area to unpredictability, mixed signals, danger, and drama in spite of their best efforts to convince themselves otherwise. Managing your relationship in such a way that she is left with a constant, gnawing feeling of impending doom will do more for your cause than all the Valentine’s Day cards and expertly performed tongue love in the world. Like it or not, the threat of a looming breakup, whether the facts justify it or not, will spin her into a paranoid estrogen-fueled tizzy, and she’ll spend every waking second thinking about you, thinking about the relationship, thinking about how to fix it. Her love for you will blossom under these conditions. Result: she works harder to please you.”

May this person stub his toe on a metal refrigerator corner and spill tea on his computer. What a fucking asshole.