So you all remember The Red Pill subreddit, that wretched hive of scum and misogyny I wrote about the other day, and the other other day, and the other other other day before that. Well, now something even more horrible has sprouted up on Reddit, like genital warts after a night “raw dogging it” with a PUA douchebag.
It’s a new subreddit from the Red Pill masterminds called Red Pill Women.
But wait, you say, isn’t The Red Pill subreddit all about manipulating and exploiting women sexually and generally just being misogynistic douchebags generally? What on earth might a Red Pill subreddit have to offer women?
In a 1400-word “welcome” statement, RedPillSchool, the subreddit’s top mod, tries to explain why the ladies might want to join up.
He starts by laying down some biotruths, by which I mean that he repeats the standard-issue manosphere fairy tale about men and women and the cock carousel:
A man’s biological imperative is to procreate. Some men (the few– less than 20%) are very attractive to women and may take on as many partners as he can. There’s no telling if he’ll stick around to help with the young, but rest assured he’ll make the rounds. Other men aren’t as attractive are happy being providers. This is a majority of men. They want to settle down, have a family. Their biological impulses, believe it or not, is to make a woman happy. It’s both a feature, and as we’ve discovered on /r/theredpill, one of man’s biggest weaknesses.
A woman’s biological imperative is to procreate. (We’re not so different!) Her strategy is slightly different. She wants provisions, but she also wants the highest quality DNA to procreate with. Unfortunately for guys, this sometimes ends up with women having sex with one of the attractive but noncommittal men, and then finding another man to do the provisioning. Her strategy is two-fold: have sex with the highest value males as possible, and get commitment from the highest value males possible. If possible: get both in one man. If not, get both from separate men.
As for those accusastions of misogyny, RedPillSchool responds with a big “nuh-uh!”
It isn’t. The red pill is about accepting reality for what it is. As you’ve seen above, men and women’s mating strategies are at odds with each other, and a lot of men on /r/theredpill are a bit angry. But they’re not angry because this is reality. They’re angry because they spent a majority of their lives being told that this isn’t reality, and putting them at a severe disadvantage.
Oh, so they don’t hate women. They’re just jusifiably angry at them.
Once we embrace what reality is, we find our relationships to be more successful, more fulfilling, and a better deal for ourselves and for the women we’ve dated. We’ve concentrated on what women like, and by doing so have been able to make ourselves into mates that women would want.
Yeah, women love dudes who spend all their time online talking about how awful women are.
So what do Red Pill men want women to do for them?
Sorry, I meant, what can the Red Pill Women subreddit help women to do that will be just fantastic for them, the women?
Well, the past half a century was the march of feminism telling women that they don’t need to do anything for men, that they are perfect and don’t need to change, that change or compromise is oppression, and that you can have it all. A career, kids, family, education- it’s all yours.
The problem is that our culture ended up self indulgent with no long-term goals, and thusly- no long term happiness (at least where family is concerned).
With divorce rates skyrocketing, single motherhood increasing, never-marrieds piling up, and hook-up culture and one night stands at an all time high, people are reaching 35 going.. where’s my family?
Huh. Taking the Red Pill must really do something to your eyesight, because the divorce rate has been heading downwards for the last thirty years.
But let’s just ignore the false premise here and continue on:
Women, you have the ability to find happiness when you embrace the reality of your biological urges and impulses. You have the ability and the requirement to become the optimal mate for your optimal mate. Do not believe the hype that you are good enough how you are, and realize that in life, the only things worth having take work.
Oh dear. So what sort of “self-improvement” advice will the subreddit contain? Apparently, a lot of misogynistic insults. Oh, sorry, harsh truths.
This forum will embarce truth first and foremost, sensitivity be damned. While I encourage people to remain positive towards each other, plain insults are discouraged, I understand that sometimes the truth will seem like an insult.
Ok, so who exactly is qualified to give advice on RedPill women?
RedPillWomen is not the place for men to show up and spout nonsense.
Ok, but you’re a man, and you’re spouting nonsense.
We have an unofficial rule on /r/theredpill that basically amounts to: don’t listen to women about sexual strategy. It’s not that we don’t like women, it’s that women really have a hard time seeing past what they like to understand men have a different palate.
Um, what? Why would this mean that you shouldn’t listen to women?
The same goes for men, perhaps even worse so. Men, being the less discriminating gender, are more-or-less programmed to find women sexy.. no matter what. And when a woman says, “I like to eat pie with my fingers” you’ll have sex-thirsty guys line up out the door willing to say anything for female validation. “I love women who eat with their fingers.”
Wait, did I wander into the wrong subreddit? Why are we talking about pie?
Men will say anything for female validation. Men are utterly and completely blind when it comes to what attracts them. They are clueless. They are conditioned by society to tell you that things we’re supposed to find attractive are attractive. And why not? In our minds, if I find you attractive, and you exhibit certain qualities, it’s hard to isolate which qualities were the ones we found attractive.
Huh?
But you’re not looking for low-hanging-fruit.
Now we’re on to fruit? Was RedPillSchool just really hungry when he wrote this?
You could just walk into a bar with no clothes if you want to make men drool. But instead, you want to make yourself into the woman who will snag the highest value mate. You want to redefine high value to mean longest-term happiness. And you don’t want just any old schmo to drool over you. So don’t take schmo’s advice. It’s terrible.
RedPillSchool, I served with Joe Schmo. I knew Joe Schmo. Joe Schmo was a friend of mine. RedPillSchool, you’re no Joe Schmo.
Welcome! I hope this will be a productive place to discuss sexual strategy for women.
I can’t wait to see what sort of “sexual strategy” these guys advocate. Maybe we can assemble a list of some of the best suggestions.
Meanwhile, that white supremacist dude who thinks that women who hate the Red Pill dudes are all secretly into them — that guy I wrote about the other day — is already excited to see a subreddit of Red Pill “cheerleaders.”
It looks like TheRedPill Mannerbund, which at first only attracted TheBluePill hecklers, has now attracted some cheerleaders.
Perhaps a sorority forming next to the fraternity.
Notice TheRedPill kept the women out (at least female centric opinion, since this is virtual space) and now we see the reaction: submit and service.
My opponents of course could only interpret “service” as sexual, which is was partly but not completely. The women are no longer heckling the mannerbund, but have adopted the mannerbund’s agenda – they have become cheerleaders.
What he doesn’t know is that one of those cheerleaders is me — I just subscribed. Let’s see if they notice and ban me.
The Blue Pill squad is on the case as well, with a bunch of posts devoted to this exciting new development.
MRA’s confuse me so much. If housewives are lazy gold digging whores (Yay me! Though so far I’ve only dug up dirty dishes, laundry, and sick children…), and women who work are stealing Hard Working Menz Jaerbs…what exactly do they think women ought to be doing?
Anyways, if “taking the red pill” results in self loathing and an inability to logic, I’m pretty happy right where I am, and I suspect my husband is too.
This may be because of my defective lady-brain, but if women’s and men’s reproductive strategies are inherently in conflict with each other (which doesn’t even make sense, like why would a species have a reproductive strategy that prevents reproduction?) then why wouldn’t reality make you angry? It seems like the “reality” of women being hypergamous and chasing after the 1% and the rest of men being sexless schlubs is kind of a shitty deal.
So the thing men are angry with is that we tell them that we actually sleep with more than 1% of the male population? (OK fine, 20%, or whatever)
So they’re angry that we are giving them false hope… and now they are opening this subreddit to “discuss sexual strategy for women”?
I AM SO FUCKING CONFUSED. Maybe I should stop trying to logic and go make some local alpha a sandwich.
@thebionicmommy *hurk* Sexy, feminine, but never slutty…Sundresses? Really? Lemme tell you, the days that I can get away with wearing nothing but sundresses in Northern Canada are limited.
If I followed their advice, my husband would have me committed….
Also, they don’t think jeans can be feminine and sexy? Are they all 90 years old?
NO PANTS!
Cassandra, I know 90 year olds who could care less about pants, these guys are just messed up in the head.
Just out of curiosity I typed “sexy skinny jeans” into Google. 27, 200, 000 hits.
If they are ever actually forced to try it, the mating strategy of females is generally laughably pitiful, because it is noch something they have ever had to do. It’s like asking a dog to purr.
Lovely link, Jessay O.o
Especially this part:
Dude, you don’t want to put my hand on a sensitive part of your anatomy without my consent…
That sounds very familiar, with the laundry, sick kids, and dirty dishes. But according to the MRA’s, the life of a SAHM is nothing but soap operas, bon bons, gossiping on the phone, and banning violent video games.
The right thing for a woman to do is to be financially dependent on a man, but then apologize all the time for being so useless. Note that raising children, taking care of sick or elderly family members, cooking, cleaning, and shopping are all useless unless they come with a pay check.
No kidding. I guess they’re are imagining all jeans as “mom jeans”. But again they are assuming that all straight men have the same tastes, or and that they all hate frumpy, conservative looking clothes.
The “soccer mom” style is kind of handy to wear at PTA meetings, school Halloween parties, and play dates. I prefer to dress to blend in, although I don’t have any problem with people that like to look more flashy or sexy either. People should just wear what they like. So I wouldn’t shame a Widow Jones for wearing a mini skirt to the PTA, and I don’t want to be shamed for wearing JC Penney capri pants and garage sale tennis shoes.
@frilledshark: “Mannerbund” is all the rage with MRAs, apparently. I only saw it for the first time on a post here on the Boobz last week.
I bet you could learn to tie a knot one-handed.
First, I want to say how fucking disgusted I am by the “std’s are no big deal” post. Of course, infect women without telling them you have std’s. And women with std’s are gross whores. But totally not a big deal for men! *shudder*
I suspect what I parse from this is redundant, but the lack of self-awareness is too puzzling to me (probably makes me a mannerbundt cake eater).
Let’s see…
Premise 1- Women can’t know what they want, they are blinded by their biology. Men are even worse, they are wired to tell women they’re amazing no matter what. Conclusion: let a handful of men tell you how to behave (hint: it’s boner-related). Because red pill men took off the biological blinders, and red pill women should have sex with red pill men to see reality by proxy.
Premise 2- Women are only attracted to 20% men. Men are attracted to 100% of women. That is, with a very specific definition of women. Let’s check my PUA dictionary:
So PUAs are interested in 100% of women, which represents 5% of females. How amazing of them.
@ Yellaine
I don’t get this obsession with numbers. Lying seems to be self-defeating, since it validates their bullshit. Personally, I’ve never had a partner who asked, but if anyone found ‘my number’ important, that would be a pretty clear red flag IMO.
Wow. There are some gems here–amber filled with the remains of dozens of long-dead insects. It’s morbidly fascinating to watch these people try to explain how they really aren’t hating on women, just “sluts” and feminists.
In this thread the OP asks if there are dating/attractiveness strategies for women aside from “be pretty.” It turns into a discussion of something called “The Dread Game.” Have you guys heard of this? I am hoping, really desperately, that it’s supposed to be satire, because this is some of the most fucked up shit. The people in the RPW thread seem to think that it is totally a valid way for a man to behave if his wife isn’t giving him as much sex as he wants.
No, the “feminist version” of “how to deal with your man not sexing you up as often as you want” is not “threaten to get a divorce.” The feminist version would be to have an adult conversation where each partner openly states what they want, then agree on something that works for everyone. Threats and passive-aggressive emotional manipulation are signs of a very unhealthy relationship regardless of which partner is doing the threats/manipulation.
How many women will actually go to this subreddit anyway? I figure it will be about 95% guys who go there to yell at woman for not being pretty or submissive enough.
That’s basically the situation in the section the PUA subreddit set up for women, except there are also a bunch of posts complaining about how there aren’t enough chicks around to listen to their good advice.
MRA’s confuse me so much. If housewives are lazy gold digging whores (Yay me! Though so far I’ve only dug up dirty dishes, laundry, and sick children…), and women who work are stealing Hard Working Menz Jaerbs…what exactly do they think women ought to be doing?
Gardening in high heels.
Step 1: Put woman’s hand on your cock without permission or any indication that she wants to feel you up.
Step 2: Explain to emergency room staff how you got that unfortunate injury in the genital area.
Step 3: Post rant on PUA blog about how women are evil bitches who take joy in hurting men.
Step 4: Insist that “kino escalation” is still a great idea and totally guaranteed to work, except in those cases where it doesn’t.
Step 5: Attempt to replicate step 1 in the wrong bar, get arrested when the bouncer sees what you’re doing and calls the cops.
Step 6: Write follow-up rant about how bouncers are misandry.
Modest high heels, like kitten heels or dancing shoes, though. Stiletto heels are too slutty. Pair them with a nice sundress, too. It is scientifically proven that all men prefer this.
See, my main objection to stilettos in the garden would be “heels sink into grass, leave marks”.
I don’t really want to go check the link for myself, but if that’s the bit about the guy setting it up so his significant other is afraid of him going through doors, pointing to doors, etc, because it signifies his leaving her, I’ve heard that one before and it is fucked up beyond all belief. That is not how adults should relationship. In fact, I’d just go right out and say that that is abuse.
In a thread about when a woman in a new relationship should have sex:
The Dudely Source.
ARGH! The nefarious blockquote monster strikes again!
I saw a troll at ampersand’s blog describe a similar scenario. The guy said a man was groping a woman at a bar after she told him to fuck off, and then she finally hit him. He used the situation as his evidence that domestic violence is 50/50. Yeah, so fighting back after a sexual assault made the woman an abuser somehow. I read that and thought “Wow, I thought manboobz had some bad trolls but this guy really takes the cake”.