So you all remember The Red Pill subreddit, that wretched hive of scum and misogyny I wrote about the other day, and the other other day, and the other other other day before that. Well, now something even more horrible has sprouted up on Reddit, like genital warts after a night “raw dogging it” with a PUA douchebag.
It’s a new subreddit from the Red Pill masterminds called Red Pill Women.
But wait, you say, isn’t The Red Pill subreddit all about manipulating and exploiting women sexually and generally just being misogynistic douchebags generally? What on earth might a Red Pill subreddit have to offer women?
In a 1400-word “welcome” statement, RedPillSchool, the subreddit’s top mod, tries to explain why the ladies might want to join up.
He starts by laying down some biotruths, by which I mean that he repeats the standard-issue manosphere fairy tale about men and women and the cock carousel:
A man’s biological imperative is to procreate. Some men (the few– less than 20%) are very attractive to women and may take on as many partners as he can. There’s no telling if he’ll stick around to help with the young, but rest assured he’ll make the rounds. Other men aren’t as attractive are happy being providers. This is a majority of men. They want to settle down, have a family. Their biological impulses, believe it or not, is to make a woman happy. It’s both a feature, and as we’ve discovered on /r/theredpill, one of man’s biggest weaknesses.
A woman’s biological imperative is to procreate. (We’re not so different!) Her strategy is slightly different. She wants provisions, but she also wants the highest quality DNA to procreate with. Unfortunately for guys, this sometimes ends up with women having sex with one of the attractive but noncommittal men, and then finding another man to do the provisioning. Her strategy is two-fold: have sex with the highest value males as possible, and get commitment from the highest value males possible. If possible: get both in one man. If not, get both from separate men.
As for those accusastions of misogyny, RedPillSchool responds with a big “nuh-uh!”
It isn’t. The red pill is about accepting reality for what it is. As you’ve seen above, men and women’s mating strategies are at odds with each other, and a lot of men on /r/theredpill are a bit angry. But they’re not angry because this is reality. They’re angry because they spent a majority of their lives being told that this isn’t reality, and putting them at a severe disadvantage.
Oh, so they don’t hate women. They’re just jusifiably angry at them.
Once we embrace what reality is, we find our relationships to be more successful, more fulfilling, and a better deal for ourselves and for the women we’ve dated. We’ve concentrated on what women like, and by doing so have been able to make ourselves into mates that women would want.
Yeah, women love dudes who spend all their time online talking about how awful women are.
So what do Red Pill men want women to do for them?
Sorry, I meant, what can the Red Pill Women subreddit help women to do that will be just fantastic for them, the women?
Well, the past half a century was the march of feminism telling women that they don’t need to do anything for men, that they are perfect and don’t need to change, that change or compromise is oppression, and that you can have it all. A career, kids, family, education- it’s all yours.
The problem is that our culture ended up self indulgent with no long-term goals, and thusly- no long term happiness (at least where family is concerned).
With divorce rates skyrocketing, single motherhood increasing, never-marrieds piling up, and hook-up culture and one night stands at an all time high, people are reaching 35 going.. where’s my family?
Huh. Taking the Red Pill must really do something to your eyesight, because the divorce rate has been heading downwards for the last thirty years.
But let’s just ignore the false premise here and continue on:
Women, you have the ability to find happiness when you embrace the reality of your biological urges and impulses. You have the ability and the requirement to become the optimal mate for your optimal mate. Do not believe the hype that you are good enough how you are, and realize that in life, the only things worth having take work.
Oh dear. So what sort of “self-improvement” advice will the subreddit contain? Apparently, a lot of misogynistic insults. Oh, sorry, harsh truths.
This forum will embarce truth first and foremost, sensitivity be damned. While I encourage people to remain positive towards each other, plain insults are discouraged, I understand that sometimes the truth will seem like an insult.
Ok, so who exactly is qualified to give advice on RedPill women?
RedPillWomen is not the place for men to show up and spout nonsense.
Ok, but you’re a man, and you’re spouting nonsense.
We have an unofficial rule on /r/theredpill that basically amounts to: don’t listen to women about sexual strategy. It’s not that we don’t like women, it’s that women really have a hard time seeing past what they like to understand men have a different palate.
Um, what? Why would this mean that you shouldn’t listen to women?
The same goes for men, perhaps even worse so. Men, being the less discriminating gender, are more-or-less programmed to find women sexy.. no matter what. And when a woman says, “I like to eat pie with my fingers” you’ll have sex-thirsty guys line up out the door willing to say anything for female validation. “I love women who eat with their fingers.”
Wait, did I wander into the wrong subreddit? Why are we talking about pie?
Men will say anything for female validation. Men are utterly and completely blind when it comes to what attracts them. They are clueless. They are conditioned by society to tell you that things we’re supposed to find attractive are attractive. And why not? In our minds, if I find you attractive, and you exhibit certain qualities, it’s hard to isolate which qualities were the ones we found attractive.
Huh?
But you’re not looking for low-hanging-fruit.
Now we’re on to fruit? Was RedPillSchool just really hungry when he wrote this?
You could just walk into a bar with no clothes if you want to make men drool. But instead, you want to make yourself into the woman who will snag the highest value mate. You want to redefine high value to mean longest-term happiness. And you don’t want just any old schmo to drool over you. So don’t take schmo’s advice. It’s terrible.
RedPillSchool, I served with Joe Schmo. I knew Joe Schmo. Joe Schmo was a friend of mine. RedPillSchool, you’re no Joe Schmo.
Welcome! I hope this will be a productive place to discuss sexual strategy for women.
I can’t wait to see what sort of “sexual strategy” these guys advocate. Maybe we can assemble a list of some of the best suggestions.
Meanwhile, that white supremacist dude who thinks that women who hate the Red Pill dudes are all secretly into them — that guy I wrote about the other day — is already excited to see a subreddit of Red Pill “cheerleaders.”
It looks like TheRedPill Mannerbund, which at first only attracted TheBluePill hecklers, has now attracted some cheerleaders.
Perhaps a sorority forming next to the fraternity.
Notice TheRedPill kept the women out (at least female centric opinion, since this is virtual space) and now we see the reaction: submit and service.
My opponents of course could only interpret “service” as sexual, which is was partly but not completely. The women are no longer heckling the mannerbund, but have adopted the mannerbund’s agenda – they have become cheerleaders.
What he doesn’t know is that one of those cheerleaders is me — I just subscribed. Let’s see if they notice and ban me.
The Blue Pill squad is on the case as well, with a bunch of posts devoted to this exciting new development.
I identify internally as genderqueer. I refer to myself as cis because I have passing privilege in pretty much every conceivable situation, but I don’t really have any connection to masculinity. Both of the women I am dating seriously consider me more feminine than they are, though one of them has a very traditionally feminine presentation.
The prevalence of binary gender is a large, ugly structure that I tolerate because it’s been there since I can remember and I know how to deal with it. I wouldn’t shed a tear if it went away forever, but I can’t imagine it ever doing so.
LBT, I know that feeling. I (perhaps wrongly) feel a lot like I’m “not trans* enough”. I have passing privilege, and I don’t know if it’s just socialization or what, but I often feel like I have to either not mention it and pretend to be cis and silent, or declare it loudly and dress in ways I don’t necessarily care to in order to be taken seriously. I’m sure part of that is just internal, but every now and again I feel like I’m getting a side-eye about it…
Especially when changing the diaper of penis having babies.
RE: inurashii
Sneak approves of your genderqueerness.
RE: SittieKitty
It’s actually funny, really. I haven’t had that feeling in quite a long time. In my years of blundering around, I’ve been on hormones (and off them again), had the surgery, got the magic little letter that says I’m a real bona fide Twu Man now. I still get mostly called ‘ma’am’ in the shops, and I’ve gotten used to inhabiting the odd space where my apparent gender seems to change depending what part of the country I’m in. (In NYC, I’m ALWAYS read as male. I’m sure some college student somewhere would love to make a thesis on why.)
I know that I wouldn’t be considered ‘trans enough’ in a lot of spaces, but I couldn’t give a shit. My system’s well being > their stupid standards. Also, I actually finally feel comfortable in this vessel, and if that means being ‘in-between,’ I’m totally down with that.
“I (perhaps wrongly) feel a lot like I’m “not trans* enough”. I have passing privilege, and I don’t know if it’s just socialization or what, but I often feel like I have to either not mention it and pretend to be cis and silent”
Said better than I could. You joining the “elite” group of us who use ze/zir or other gender neutral pronouns? Note, we’re neither elite, nor an organized group, but we [me] do [does] accept all applicants (which I typo’ed as applicats, cats are also welcome!)
Sneak also approves of gender neutral pronouns.
(Also, pssst, Argenti, I saw your thing on how you were curious about Infinity Smashed. Might I recommend this story as a starting point?)
Applicat is an awesome typo, for the record. My preferred pronouns are [name], she/he/her, they/them, ze/zir, or pretty much anything but him – I don’t like that one for some reason, but I’m not especially picky. I mostly stick to they/them when I’m referencing someone else because a) it’s totally proper english, the editors at the dictionary told me so, and b) I know some people who really dislike ze/zir.
I know it’s mostly socialization stuff fucking with my mind, because I don’t have the problem when I’m afk – being online makes me feel like I can be myself a lot more and just say fuck off to anyone who gives me lip about it. Which is prolly another reason for the “shut-in-ness” of myself.
neuroticbeagle: true fact. Maybe I could raise enough money to support several ferrets, then move to a place where it’s not illegal to keep them as pets.
Just kidding. We only have cats IRL and I wouldn’t really want to own ferrets: unfortunately, they stink a lot and I have delicate nose-holes. We’ll have to use our misappropriated kickstarter cash on something else.
cloudiah: : D Btw, I work in P.R. and check in here often. You know what I’m saying.
LBT — I saw your comment on the other thread, just finished it, and commented over there. In a word: wow.
SittieKitty — gender neutral pronouns it is! Mind if I ask about reason b there though? Cuz the only complaints I’ve seen about the word cis come from transphobes so I’m curious, I’m assuming they have reasons that aren’t “I’m normal damnit!”
Heh, well I hang out with a lot of vocabulary people… They get irked with the non-technical aspect of ze/zir when they/them has been accepted by the dictionary editors as correct in a singular use. They also get irked with words like groovy, or other words that are “new” English. It’s kinda hilarious, and I occasionally say words that are really new and not even in the dictionary yet to annoy them, or things like “Truthiness” or “Lol”. No one I know complains about the word cis, just the use of ze/zir for pronouns.
Short hair is misandry? Dammit, I guess I’ll have to learn this style… I just hope it’s short enough!
Other people have more or less made this point, but, to rerail: If it was really The Red Pill For Women, it would be all about how to find a “beta chump” to get him to provide for you and your babies while you keep an “alpha” on the side, and there would be no men giving advice because they will lie about what they’re really attracted to and give the answers they think they’re supposed to…. Oh, and ways to stay attractive to men despite being over 30 or 25 or 21 or whatever age women are no longer hot according to The Red Pill’s worldview.
Cosmo for Red Pill Women:
The Cock Carousel: Is it time to get off?
Hypergamy: Is your boyfriend rich enough?
What Alphas Want: 101 sex tips to drive them wild!
“OMG, I’m 25!” 10 tips to fake being young
“All he said was, ‘Scented fucking candles!'” How not to drive away your beta chump provider
<a href="http://fr.academic.ru/pictures/frwiki/72/HenriettaMariavonFrankreich.jpg"Totally misandric short hair.
(My SiL, who also looks totally awesome in jeans and black leather bomber jacket.)
There was an article on intersex people in The Age yesterday, which pointed out that while we’re always told it’s incredibly rare, it’s actually more common than being a redhead.
(I’d be interested to know if the article reads well, or is problematic, to anyone here – from a beginner’s viewpoint it seemed good, but I wouldn’t know.)
@Closet Puratin
If that’s short enough to be misandric, I’m already there 😀
First it was the blockquote monster, now the link monster gets me when I’m down …
SiL’s misandric short hair
RE: SittieKitty
*puts on linguist glasses* Actually, words are constantly being added into the lexicon all the time; changing of pronouns is unusual, but not unheard of. (See thee/thy/thou, for instance!) To try and claim that ze/zir and so on aren’t valid is foolish, because language is constantly changing.
For a totally organic example, some kids in Baltimore have started spontaneously using ‘yo’ as a singular gender neutral pronoun.
As for ‘why use ze when you have they?’ I have an explanation for that too! We’re multiple, which means that often, ‘they’ is used for plural folks. It’s very handy to have a gender-neutral pronoun that’s SPECIFICALLY singlet. Not necessary, but certainly handy!
I had a sudden silly thought about feline pronouns – there’d probably only be two: “me” and “all the rest of you including servants”. Mir/Mew, maybe?
LBT, believe me, I’ve tried. It’s just a thing with them. They dislike change in general, and hate language change. Part of that is because they dislike change, and another part is because they have a hard time understanding people (they are a *very* literal person and so don’t do subtext or inference well), and part is because they’re just weird like that.
Argenti: And this is why I like you. Do have to toss my own mine in on the beautiful (and sublime) — standing atop a mountain with this amazing view, that on top of the world feeling, and noting just how tiny the trail looks from up there, and thus how tiny everything really is. And how huge. One of the few times I’m glad I forgot a camera, could’ve never done it justice.
Ah… the camera lies; it is a tool for making art and pricking memory.
The thing is, we can share; we can write. I can try to show you what I felt, and why, and how, and give you some frisson of what it was like to be on horseback in a canyon, feel rain, and hear a freshet of waterfall start; when there had been none before, to turn and see it go from small, to a pouring arc as the watershed put square miles of rain into one fountain boiling out of a bowl of sandstone 40 feet above us, and the bone-chilling, dreadful, awe as the white foam turned red.
We beat feet back to camp, with all deliberate speed.
elyrayldin: Do you guys ever just get…I dunno…burnt out from all the horrible?
Yes.
It’s why we skewer them. It’s why some of us insult them, and why others pick them apart like frogs in a biology class.
It’s why some of us disappear for a few days/weeks. It’s why we post kittehs, and puppehs, and cavys, and music videos. It’s why we talk knitting, and spinning and cooking and Dr. Who and woodworking and musical instruments.
It’s why some of us chat back-channel.
It’s also why we come here; because it’s too much shit to deal with all by oneself. The douchecanoes use each other to cope;l we sure as fuck can do the same.
“It’s why some of us disappear for a few days/weeks.”
…months.
People with my email, feel free to email me if I do that again *lurks in the corner of shame for just disappearing*
::wags finger at shamecornerhider::
😉
And that sounds terrifying awesome. Closest I’ve got was the summer it barely rained, when the skies finally opened I was at camp — cabins in a horseshoe shape surrounding a green, with a few Very Tall trees. Skies open, we all run out into it, and the lightening starts. Look around, realize we’re standing in an open filed, more or less, surrounded by tall trees, at the edge of a lake…run back inside. (Epically, this is the same camp that hiking trip was with, the only Christian thing I truly miss is that place, because they were the god is love sort, and not preachy but sing-y and I actually had friends there)
So many memories wrapped up in those cabins, that lake…including a rabid bat… (no harm done, poor thing crash landed during the day, more pitiful than dangerous)
Kitteh — don’t think I’ve forgotten that we share the “creeping on lowquacks” corner of shame! (I’m kidding, but really, I hope we weren’t that creepy! Speaking of disappearing regulars, where’s he been lately?)