This won’t be news to a lot of you — I’m a little late getting to it — but our old pal Tom Martin, the repulsive British MRA celebrity, is actually going ahead with the somewhat baffling video “women and comedy” project he was babbling about in the comments here many months ago, when he was still allowed to comment here. Well, “actually going ahead with it” this August if he can get anyone else to agree to work for him for free minimum wage.
The documentary project is called “Laughing with Women” and, Martin explains, it will “investigat[e] if gold-digging impairs women’s joke-making ability, and if, when women reject gold-digging in all its forms, they can become instantly funnier.”
In case that didn’t make sense to you — don’t worry, that’s a completely natural reaction — Tom explains his, er, “logic” a bit further in a jobs listing he’s posted in hopes of finding a crew, which has already gotten a good deal of ridicule over at PZ Myers’ and on at least one comedy website.
Why are women, on average, slightly less funny than men? Does gold-digging in particular impede women’s joke-making ability? When women publicly reject gold-digging, do they become as funny, or even funnier than men?
In his numerous visits to Man Boobz, Martin expounded at length on the topic of gold-digging women, generally referring to them by his preferred term, the shorter and blunter “whores.” Martin has previously estimated that roughly 97% of women fit this description, and has suggested that female penguins are also whores. Frankly, once he gets going on the topic, it’s hard to shut him up, which is partly why he’s no longer welcome in the comments here.
In any case, this odd hypothesis will be tested, Martin says, with a “radical, and revealing street-based social experiment.”
Still puzzled? Mike Booth, the British video comedian behind SomeGreyBloke and Dan Cardamon, has managed to tease out a few more details from Martin (posting here as sexismBusters):
Martin is confident that his proposed video will blow the lid off this whole “women and gold-digging and comedy, no really, they’re connected” thing:
If the radical, and revealing street-based social experiment at the centre of our documentary proves gold-digging does make women less funny (as pre-production research suggests) then our findings will make headlines around the world, our film’s two minute teaser trailer attached to all those news and blog articles (Update: this advert alone has already been blogged and tweeted about by outraged PC types).
The full documentary will be shot to a broadcast-quality standard and format, giving mainstream television companies worldwide the opportunity to purchase broadcasting rights (if they’re feeling brave enough) whilst we maintain a virtually guaranteed revenue stream from our already established hardcore of supporters and fans within the non PC gender equality field around the world, who, along with everyone else, will be able to enjoy Laughing with Women on newly launched pay-per-view channel, Vimeo on Demand (VoD) – where VoD itself takes a very modest 10% cut. The documentary has the potential to be translated into several languages – gold-digging a familiar if hidden story in every country, until now.
In other words, it sounds like some sort of video gold mine.
So I’d recommend that all gold-digging women out there try to get in on the ground floor of this Tom Martin dude.
Oh, and speaking of Dan Cardamon, here’s the faux MRA’s take on the project:
CORRECTION: This post originally stated that Martin wouldnt’ be paying his crew, but he says he will be paying them minimum wage, so I’ve corrected the relevant passage above.
EDITED TO ADD: Tom has shown up in the comments, and I’m letting his comments through (for now at least), so if you have any questions for him, feel free to head to the comments to address him directly.
David Futrelle,
You wrote,
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CriticalDragon, glad you were able to get past the wordpress snafus that kept you from posting here. WordPress is a bit wonky that way sometimes, as various commenters here have also discovered.
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So I am. I would imagine that I’m not the only one having problems if it tells me things like “your twitter login has expire” which makes no sense. I really want to contribute if I can. I just wish I could get the dragon image to show up now when I use this account.
David Futrelle,
Thanks for letting me that you enjoy my company here.
I do not think that Tom is saying that all women are gold diggers. He has studied Game and Game is predicated upon the idea that it is possible for low income men to get laid- otherwise why would anyone study it? On the whole PUA’s tend to be lower in the income scale because higher income men tend to do better with women.
He believes that non feminist women are less likely to be gold diggers than feminist ones. This is one reason he calls himself a feminist.
It is a pity he is banned from this site as he is interesting and original even if some of you disagree strongly. It would be good to hear from him directly.
I agree that the premise of the film could be seen as insulting.
ERROR I meant Tom believes feminist women are LESS likely to be gold diggers.
This Martin dude has a very strange filter for his view of the world. It is like he heard comments made by Hitchens and twisted them. I mean the jist of what Hitch said is that women don’t need to be funny because they are so much more attractive than men, not that they are not capable because reasons?? Also I really think that this was just a fucking joke, maybe an unfunny one to some people, but a joke all the same.
You’re maybe coming to Oz, cloudiah? Got any thoughts of coming to Melbourne? Or are you thinking further north?
::counts pennies, wonders if can manage trip north to see sister in QLD, see NSW and still do next year’s trip to Chicago::
Ha – take one Hitchens, remove the intelligence, stir in a hundredweight of stupid and extra misogyny, and hey presto!
Guys, if you haven’t already, click the links to Tom Martin’s previous visits here. They’re funny enough that he’s got at least two spots in the misandrist welcome package.
Tom — ever occur to you that most people who are neither comedians nor actors, and thus not used to being on the front end of a camera, get skiddish about being filmed?
Guys! GUYS! One of my new loaches has ventured out from the cave! Skittish fish is getting less skittish! (Utterly irrelevant except for the fact cuteness is always relevant)
Aquarinazi — fish nazis and aquarist nazis (as in “grammar nazi” though I guess it’d apply to any nazis who’re aquarists…)
I’m going to tiptoe over there and attempt to watch without startling the skiddish one, wish me luck!
@Argenti: I found my favourite comment about this recently. In response to being told, “that joke wasn’t really funny”:
I hope this method is accounted for in the study!
So by minimum wage does he mean like $7.50 an hour or the minimum day rate (which depending on the position can be 300+ per 12 hour day). If he means minimum wage he’s a cheap scumbag because filmmakers work their asses off to learn the skills necessary to make a professional, high quality documentary and can’t pay their student loans off on minimum wage. I hate people who disrespect my art by expecting me to sell them my professional services for little to no money. If I wanted minimum wage I wouldn’t have gone to college asshole. At the very least, if he expects to make money on the back end he should at least offer those who help a percentage of the profits.
That’s my “he’s not just a misogynist but cheapskate” rant.
Gelar — his “method” consists of asking random people if it’s funny. By that standard, farting at him is probably humor.
Fedora is saying Tom thinks feminists are less likely to be gold diggers that’s why Tom calls himself a feminist? Have I fallen through a wormhole to an alternate reality? When’d Tom start calling himself a feminist?!
Also, loach SUCCESS! The less skidish loach is playing with whichever cories decide to play follow the leader (so far mostly the emerald cories, but the pandas are settling in and starting to play along) Skidish loach remains in the cave, I have no idea why loaches love THAT cave so much, there are tunnels and two caves and everybody’s gotta be in that one!
Yay on loach success, Argenti! Also, aquarinazis, I can totally see plec being up for that. Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water …
“Tom — ever occur to you that most people who are neither comedians nor actors, and thus not used to being on the front end of a camera, get skiddish about being filmed?”
Plus there’s the little matter of women being harassed in the street by dumbass misogynists pushing cameras and microphones in their faces. Yeah, totally puts you in the mood to laugh and joke around, that does. I wonder if Tommyboy would find it funny if his camera happened to end up broken on the pavement … accidentally, of course.
@Jessay – given this is supposed to happen (ha) in London, it’d be whatever the English minimum wage is. Assuming any of Tom’s imaginary film crew got paid ever, of course. Which I’m not.
Mh… Martin received roughly 95% negative comments on his project. From his previous empirical research, we found that 97% of women are whores (I take it he means cis/hetero/women here, but hey, maybe he pioneered genderqueer whoriarchy theory too).
95% vs. 97%. Coincidence? I’ll let you be the judge.
People thought Galileo was wrong too. So there.
Wherever it is, minimum wage, and the wage you pay someone who has gone to college to get a degree and worked for years to hone their craft, are two drastically different things. Considering the film industry is a predominantly male one, how does it feel to devalue men’s work and contribute to their poverty buddy? You filthy misandrist!
Of course, I’m even more mad knowing that, if he does film anything, he’s gonna be a typical wannabe producer/director who wastes people’s time to and not pay them. That happens way too often, filmmakers are left never seeing the money they were promised for working 12+ hour days to make someone else’s dream a reality. All of my colleagues and I are waiting on at least a few checks from projects from scumbags like him who offer “deferred pay.”
Tom’ll pay people on the twelfth of never – mind you, since I still think his film crew doesn’t exist outside his fevered imagination (they hang out with the slutty slut penguins, if only he knew), nobody’s likely to be affected by this.
OK, so, the dude I’m courting is in debt like whoa. What does this prove?
He appears to think I’m absolutely hilarious but it could all be an act.
Tom, I’m afraid I can’t participate in your project until you publicly renounce gold-digging in all its forms.
He’s gold-digging, marinerachel! Or, um … MISANDRY!
Oh no, he’s never said that. Only 97% of women are who–”gold diggers”. Obviously.
The fact that Tommy considers himself a legitimate researcher tickles me almost as much as whore-penguins. (I have to pay them, natch. In pebbles.)
Tom, would you care to share which of your *snicker* colleagues have reviewed your *double snicker* research proposal so that we can read up on the relevant literature?
Wtf are the other 3%? I mean, working for money is whoring yourself to a business since you expect money (yeah, don’t expect him to pay, that’d make his “staff” into whores); letting a man, any man, but you anything, is whoring; receiving any sort of gov’n benefits is whoring (maybe he isn’t including old age benefits and that’s the 3%? I’d think more than 3% of Britain was pensioners); so how’s that 3% manage to eat?
Fuck, Tom, is the only way to avoid whoring to be street homeless and eating out of rubbish bins? Since shelter requires money as does fresh food and working at all is whoring, and not working is whoring, and receiving charity is whoring…what does that leave?!
Also, you suck at math, and research, and I pity the fool that decides to crunch your numbers. They’ll end up bald from pulling their hair out.
I said bald!
David — if he starts ranting about what an insult against men that is, can you let it through? He’s funny when he’s angry!
Tom is ‘whoring’ for cheap labour, but he’s still (unintentionally) funny.
Oh gods yes, didn’t he have a meltdown about baldness? Before my time, I think but it rings the Bells of Hilarity every so faintly.
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y the y? Stoopud fingers.
Tom, Justin Vacula is probably available.