CORRECTION: New evidence suggests that the screenshot discussed in this post and elsewhere was not a forgery but the result of a glitch. I offer a correction, and an apology, and a discussion of the implications, here. I have left the text of this piece as is.
When reputable publications, online or off, make a mistake, the editors grit their teeth, swallow their embarrassment, and run a correction. [EDIT: I’ve even got a little one at the end of this post!]
Men’s Rights hate hub A Voice for Men has somewhat more lax standards than reputable publications, or even not-so-reputable publications, and generally prefers to deal with its errors by pretending they never happened. But sometimes the errors are so obvious, even to their own somewhat credulous readers, that they have to acknowledge them in some form.
In the case of one egregious recent error AVFM has tried something a bit more audacious: resorting to a phony screenshot and outright lies in an attempt to prove that they were right all along.
Sorry, dudes, but you’re not going to get away with it. You guys are so grossly incompetent you can’t even lie convincingly.
You may recall the post I ran the other day about A Voice for Men’s bizarre claim that search engines were somehow hiding articles and resources related to violence against men from intrepid web searchers? Indeed, the post in question on AVFM asked readers to
try typing into a search engine the phrase “violence against men.” You will get scores of pages linking to articles and information regarding violence against women.
As I pointed out, and as everyone else who tried this experiment noticed as well, this is not actually true: typing in the phrase “violence against men” into Google or Bing gets you lots of links related to …. violence against men. A few intrepid Googlers even pointed this out in the comments on AVFM.
So what has AVFM done? Well, here’s how Dean Esmay, AVFM’s so-called “managing editor” Dean Esmay responded in the comments to one reader suggesting that a correction might be in order.
Did you follow any of that? I had to read it several times, but Esmay seems to be suggesting that someone at Google read the post on AVFM and adjusted Google’s search algorothim so that searches for information on “violence against men” would in fact return information on “violence against men.”
In other words, AVFM didn’t make a mistake. It made the world a better place!
You should also note that Esmay’s confession that he had no screenshots to back up his claims.
By the time he got around to writing a little “Editorial Update,” however, he was a bit less tentative about tooting AVFM’s horn — and he also managed to somehow conjure up a screenshot that conveniently seemed to prove his point.
There’s just one problem. The screenshot is an obvious fake. Here’s the link to it on AVFM’s server.
But I’m pasting it here as well.
Now, at first glance, this seems to prove his point. The searcher here seems to have searched for “violence against men” and gotten results dealing with “violence against women.”
But look again at the additional results listed at the bottom of the screenshot: “News for violence against,” and “Searches related to violence against.”
That was the actual search term used. “Violence against,” not “Violence against men.”
Had he really searched for “violence against men” the additional results at the bottom would be listed under the headings “News for violence against men,” and “Searches related to violence against men.” Test this for yourself if you want.
In other words, someone involved with AVFM — Esmay himself? — did a Google search for “violence against,” got the results, and then typed in the word “men” in the search box before taking a screenshot to make it look like the original search was for “violence against men.”
I just did my own search for “violence against” (without the word men, and without quotes) and these are the top results. Look familiar?
Yeah, so familiar THAT EVEN THE TOP TWO NEWS STORIES THAT COME UP ARE THE SAME.
Here’s the top news story linked to in AVFM’s faked screenshot — and in the one I just made.
You’ll notice that it was posted on June 13th. That is, the day AFTER the AVFM story went up, not “before press,” as Esmay claims.
In other words, Dean Esmay (or whoever concocted this forgery and gave it to Esmay) didn’t make this screenshot before the AVFM story went up.
The AVFM forger did a search yesterday, using the search term “violence against,” then typed in the word “men” after getting the search results but before taking the screenshot, to make it look like he was searching for the term “violence against men.”
All so AVFM wouldn’t have to admit it had made a mistake, and acknowledge that Esmay, as “managing editor,” had fucked up royally by letting a story be published without doing even the most rudimentary bit of fact-checking of the story’s central premise.
Put a fork in it, A Voice for Men. Your credibility is done. Burned to a crisp.
Oh, in case you’re wondering, you can use the AVFM Google forgery technique here to make it look like searching for, say, “violence against marmosets who enjoy soup” returns a bunch of results about violence against women — just so long as you don’t pay attention to the highlighted words in the search results.
I mean, once you start blatantly forging evidence, you can pretty much “prove” anything your audience is gullible enough to believe.
Too bad for A Voice for Men that the rest of us aren’t quite so gullible.
EDITED TO ADD: This story just gets stranger and stranger. I’ve just checked the blog where the AVFM post originally ran. The author of that post — who calls himself funkymunkyluvn, and who has been identified on AVFM as both Jason Gregory and Jason Thompson — has now completely rewritten his original post and changed his central claim to this one:
try typing into a search engine the phrase “violence against.” You will get scores of pages linking to articles and information regarding violence against women.
This claim, unlike his original one, is true. And this time he provides screenshots to prove it. Here’s one of them — click for a larger version. Look at the top ten results on the left. Do they look familiar to you?
Yep, right on down to that Guardian article.
Unfortunately, while correcting his original article — and happily not resorting to AVFM style screenshot fraud — Mr. MunkyLuvn/Gregory/Thompson/? has not acknowledged his original error. He’s essentially pretending that he never made his original mistake. Which isn’t going to work any better than AVFM’s forgery, as his original article is still available on AVFM, and (at least for now) in Google cache.
You’ve gotta fess up, dude. That’s how it’s done.
But at least I now have a reasonably convincing — to me — theory as to how the original mistake got made, and here it is: Mr. MunkyLuvn/Gregory/Thompson/? did a search for “violence against” and got results similar to what he got in the screenshot above. But perhaps he didn’t get around to writing his blog post right away, and by the time he wrote it, he unthinkingly and incorrectly added the word “men” when describing what he’d searched for. He never bothered to recheck, and no one at AVFM did either.
Now he’s trying to pretend he never made this mistake. That’s deceptive — but not as deceptive as actually forging evidence in an attempt to pretend you were never wrong.
EDIT AGAIN: Ok, this is just getting weirder. I assumed that AVFM was no longer referring to the author of the original post as Jason Gregory and was now referring to him as Jason Thompson. But that’s not true. They actually seem to be different people. Jason Gregory’s profile links to his blog, and to AVFM’s Jason Gregory’s page, but it DOESN’T link to his “violence against men” post. Jason Thompson’s profile doesn’t link to that blog, but to this non-existent page instead, but the Jason Thompson author page DOES link to Jason Gregory’s “violence against men” post, now bylined “Jason Thompson.”
I actually think this is some sort of glitch and not anything devious, but jeez, guys, get your act together.
CORRECTION: An earlier version of this article, and its headline, referred to AVFM’s phony “screenshots,” plural. There was just the one.
See, corrections aren’t so hard!
What was the guy who did this forgery thinking as he came up with his oh-so-elaborate plan? If you have to try to fool people into your way of thinking, then maybe that way of thinking is kinda bogus? Although that tiny amount of insight would require a modicum of self-awareness, I suppose.
Looking forward to this reaction.
Jason Gregory I mean.
http://funkymunkyluvn.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/moral-turpitude-an-open-letter-to-facebook/
Oh ok. Interesting. I wonder how long AVfM’s version will stay up.
Yeah, I meant he changed it on his original blog. The original version is still up on AVFM.
Also, the confusion about his name is understandable: AVFM was identifying him as Jason Gregory, but now IDs him as Jason Thompson. (I had to doublecheck that with google cache.)
I added a bunch to the post about all this.And took some screenshots!
All this does seem to answer one question: I originally thought it might be possible that Jason [insert last name] had sent the fake screenshot to Dean as a way of pretending he hadn’t gotten it wrong. But that seems exceedingly unlikely. Making me pretty sure the real culprit’s initials are DE.
But hey, allegedly. This is speculation. It might have been marmosets.
Ain’t no drama like privileged white man drama
@Auggz
Having faith in the (supposedly existing) moderate on AVFM is like having faith in the least racist person on Stormfront – doesn’t make anyone congregating there any less deranged and lonely.
Oh and I know its poor form to post so quickly anywhere but isn’t it cool how they have to forge their own oppression? They’re the SJWs of the extreme-right, except instead of telling you to check your cisspecies/non-otherkin/carnivore/non-pervert privilege, they call you a mangina and secretly blubber into their own neckbeards.
Excellent article! The lack of integrity with these people astounds me more and more as the days pass. I suppose it’s good that I can still be surprised.
The funny (to me) thing is that the original mistake wasn’t a big deal. Just acknowledge it, correct it, and move on. Don’t compound it by faking up a screenshot. Even worse, if you ARE going to lie, coordinate the lie with the other parties involved. It’s like they forgot to tell the original author of their plan to double down on the lie, and now he’s retracted his original claim leaving them out there looking like the dishonest asshats they are.
Nice forensic reconstruction of their forgery. The truth is not in them.
J, I wouldn’t worry; several of us (myself included) have unlocked the “fill the sidebar” achievement.
Great Galaxies, you mean the feminists don’t control google? I am shocked, shocked I tell you 😛
I think I got really close once to filling the Recent Comments sidebar and then at the last minute pecunium snuck his way in there and ruined everything. [shakes fist at sky]
😀
So, does one have to hit all of the recent comments to get ‘fill the sidebar’ achievement? (what the name implies)
oh god I feel like I”m butting in today for no reason. /worry.
Yuppers. I did it after Mr. Al asked what he could possibly do to make himself more attractive to women.
@cloudiah, that’s exactly what I thought too. If they’d just owned up, no one would care. It’s not like that would somehow disprove their entire argument or anything (I mean, there’s plenty of other evidence to do that). And every site out there makes mistakes or doesn’t do a thorough enough fact-checking from time to time. It happens, you correct it, you move on. NBD.
But instead they need to go into all these weird contortions to try to prove that they were actually right all along. Seems like there are better hills to die on, but I’m just a silly feminist, what do I know?
They’re also just really stupid when they lie, which is good because it makes it easier to catch. If you’re intentionally trying to deceive by altering the words in the search, why wouldn’t you also just take a screen shot that omits the “News for” and “Searches related to” section at the bottom? I probably shouldn’t give them tips at how to be better lying shitlords, because we know they read your blog obsessively. [waves @ lurking shitlords]
And Marie, you’re not butting in. We like having you here!
Standing ovation for David. Holy shit that’s bad.
Off topic, but I had to share this…proof that cats really are pulling the strings at the highest levels of government. o_O
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/pentagon-top-west-point-oficial-misused-his-position-to-obtain-cat-care.php?ref=fpb
I think you’re all being too nice. It didn’t occur to me that it might be a genuine mistake. They were upset at how ‘violence against’ comes up with more examples of violence against women but that just isn’t juicy enough so someone decided to take it that one step further.
The desperation of a fake screenshot makes this even clearer – they’re trying to cover a lie with a lie, not a mistake with a lie.
Even if Esmay did not forge the screenshot, it might still be a job-disqualifying error. Letting the original mistake pass him by is embarrassing enough, but then when trying to reconcile that error (a moment when he should have been exceedingly careful and skeptical) he published an obviously forged screen shot. And want to gamble on how he handles the correction for that forgery…?
He’s either guilty or (arguably) incompetent for his job.
No mention of AVfM’s firebombing manifesto (which of course is still on its Activism page). Is that reference too tired now?
Anonymous, when has the owner of this site lied? Everyone seems a lot more honest here than at AVFM.