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Red Pillers: Hey Ladies! That visceral disgust you feel in our presence means you want us. Bad.

Ladies love men in groups.
Ladies love men in groups.

What do women want? Dudes. In groups. Especially dudes who hate them.

That, in any case, seems to be the conclusion drawn by a blogger who calls himself Hipster Racist, and who seems to be a white supremacist of some kind. Anyway, he’s written a little post about the rise of Reddit’s  Red and Blue Pill Subreddits and how they illustrate the Mannerbund Effect, a theory that helps to explain just why it is that the ladies allegedly like getting up in men’s business so much.

Here’s how HR tells the story of the two subreddits:

Someone created a section of reddit called TheRedPill which is devoted to “game,” seduction and anti-feminism. Essentially, a group of young men comparing notes on their various romantic successes and failures, which for obvious reasons, include a lot of frustration and what some might call misogyny. … Some of these men talk about “gaming” women in the same sense you might talk about training a dog. Gaming bitches, they might even say.

Yeah, some might call that misogyny.

The men’s romantic advice to each other essentially boils down to: women are selfish and incapable of love, so never fall in love, just improve yourself, lift weights, make money, dress better, and the women will come running.

Yeah, some might call that misogyny too.

As if on cue, the women show up and create TheBluePill a section of reddit exclusively focused on mocking, shaming, and attacking TheRedPill with anti-male rhetoric just as critical and harsh and the anti-female rhetoric of TheRedPill.

Now, pretty much none of that is true. TheBluePill is populated by a lot of dudes as well as women and the subreddit is basically an elaborate parody of the Red Pill subreddit, punctuated by occasional serious posts when people there are too astonished by the misogyny to make jokes about it. Take a look. If you can find any sincere anti-male rhetoric within it, posted by a regular commenter and with net upvotes, I’ll literally mail you a dollar.

But what is so fascinating about the dynamic is this: the men exclusively discuss how to improve themselves, while the women exclusively discuss … how the men can improve themselves. Obviously, they have very different views of what “improvement” looks like, the men essentially say “be more macho” while they women essentially say “be less macho.”

Well, not exactly. The advice in The Blue Pill subreddit is really only implicit advice, and it isn’t so much “be less macho” as it is “don’t be a misogynistic, manipulative, rapey asshole who gets validation from a bunch of other misogynistic, manipulative, rapey assholes like those Red Pill dudes on Reddit.”

Anyway, so Mr. Hipster Racist thinks that what all this means is that the Blue Pill ladies want the Red Pill men, and want them bad.

The dynamic plays itself out, over and over again, constantly. A group of men get together – the Mannerbund is formed – and do something. The women then show up, watch the men, and either cheer them, or heckle them.

But when the boys get together, the one thing the girls cannot do is ignore them.

Mr. Racist refers us to the manosphere-famous video of the protests of the Warren Farrell talk at the University of Toronto from last year. He points us to one female protester who became notorious in the manosphere for shouting at one of Farrell’s male fans, declaring him to be a “fucking rape apologist, incest supporting, woman hating, fucking scum.”

To Mr. Racist, only one thing could be driving this much apparent hate: pure animal lust.

Look at the man, look at the woman, and look at how the woman is looking at the man. Look at her eyes.

You could cut that sexual tension with a knife.

No. Just no. Sometimes a “you fucking rape apologist” is just a “you fucking rape apologist.”

So, anyway, someone took the opportunity to post Mr. Racist’s reflections on the Mannerbund Effect to the Red Pill subreddit — well, ok, that “someone” was Mr. Racist himself — where it met with many huzzahs.

My favorite comment of the bunch comes– surprise! —  from Mr. Racist, posting as jack50s; it’s almost Penthouse Lettersesque in its sophomoric eroticism:

mannerbuynd

Later, Mr. Racist wandered into the Blue Pill subreddit, and quickly convinced himself that everyone there, including me, had the hots for him. (To be fair, I did kind of lead him on a little.)

catswatch

Huh. Apparently I’ve been awarded some sort of honorary Women’s Studies Degree from the Dean of Pompous Nazi Blogger University. That will help to ease the sting of rejection a little. A little. At least I have my cats.

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Bad_dog
Bad_dog
11 years ago

Wow, I’ve had guys mistake just being polite as a come-on before, but never have I encountered anyone to mistake active dislike as a come-on…

Aaliyah
11 years ago

lol again with that “tingle” stuff

At least they aren’t saying “wet” all the time. “Tingle” is pretty close in creepiness, though.

Aaliyah
11 years ago

To clarify, I generally don’t actually have a problem with people saying “wet” in that context – it’s just that I feel very uncomfortable when I hear misogynists use it in their writing. I’m not sure why.

augochlorella
augochlorella
11 years ago

Same here, Aaliyah. Perhaps it’s because we know that they mean it in a degrading way because they have so much contempt for women with any kind of sexuality. Or maybe it’s because I don’t want these men anywhere near my sexuality (no no no no no) so I have a gut negative reaction when they use terms like “wet” or even “tingle”, which I’m perfectly fine with in other contexts.

bookdragonette
bookdragonette
11 years ago

@athywren

(My family have a habit of mispronouncing him as Benedict Cummerbund… it’s funny…. oh shush.)

Are you related to my fiancé? He has done the same thing. 🙂

I’m not thinking about these dudes all day long. Why waste that much energy when I can spend it on better things, like talk to my SO?

augochlorella
augochlorella
11 years ago

Did you hear Tom Martin’s attempting to make a documentary?

Imagine if he got Agent Orange to narrate it. That would be perfection.

Xen
Xen
11 years ago

Athywren, mannerbund is German for male bonding. I wonder why he chose German, was he too embarrassed to use English?

tedthefed
tedthefed
11 years ago

…..is this guy SHIPPING subreddits? Yes, he seriously is. Holy crap. I guess I’m just mainly surprised it’s not slash.

gelar
gelar
11 years ago

Given his entire argument, I can’t tell you how funny I find that Jack person reacting to “flirting” as if it were his kryptonite.

inurashii
inurashii
11 years ago

…..is this guy SHIPPING subreddits? Yes, he seriously is. Holy crap. I guess I’m just mainly surprised it’s not slash.

Now waiting on a Reddit-tan Doujinshi.
“Oh, Creepshots-senpai…”

Athywren
Athywren
11 years ago

Athywren, mannerbund is German for male bonding. I wonder why he chose German, was he too embarrassed to use English?

So he’s basically just saying community? And here I was thinking that it was a word to describe a complex relationship between two separate communities – the “male” community and the sane community. But he’s basically just doing the pseudo-intellectual thing of using a shiny new word that makes him sound smart. I wonder if he tells his mates to “check out the decolletage on that!” or if it’s wussy to use french words to sound smarter than he is. Ah well, I R shoxxor.

MrFancyPants
MrFancyPants
11 years ago

What if I told you I had cats? They like to watch.

Bwaa-hahahahaha!

Falconer
Falconer
11 years ago

Now waiting on a Reddit-tan Doujinshi.
“Oh, Creepshots-senpai…”

Nope.

Warning: link contains large spider.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@Athywren

More specifically, I’ve been thinking about how the argument logically extends to abstinence being as bad as abortion, and wondering why the people who are so opposed to murdering babies through birth control are so completely in favour of murdering babies by not having sex at all. This is, of course, assuming that keeping an egg from being fertilized really is murdering a baby.
Now that really is amazing! Though, to be fair, I’ve probably only given it half an hour’s thought over the course of the day.

Then they might have to admit that some of the eggs are going to die, we cannot having thousands of babies each. Maybe I’m misunderstanding the whole ‘murding babies through birth control argument’ people make, but like, I just don’t get it.

Bostonian
Bostonian
11 years ago

“Now waiting on a Reddit-tan Doujinshi.
“Oh, Creepshots-senpai…”’

If you post this on Tumblr, someone will draw this.

anadiomene122
anadiomene122
11 years ago

“Tingle” used to be common currency on evo psych/game blogs about 5-7 years ago. It was used to refer to what happened to women’s privates in the presence of violent criminal alphas. Don’t know if they still use that one… Roissy loved it, iirc.

If I thought I could pass as male, I’d totally infiltrate one of these meetings all alpha dogging it, bro-ing it up, but then suddenly break out with “What if I told you…” [dun dun DUN] “…that GoldenEye was not a documentary.”

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
11 years ago

The refusal to produce human resources is unamerican unpatriotic and against godandcountry!

totient
totient
11 years ago

I did a little Googling on Männerbund and yeah, it’s a Nazi term. I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise.

Shadow
Shadow
11 years ago

“What if I told you…” [dun dun DUN] “…that GoldenEye was not a documentary.”
Say what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP1-oquwoL8

Shadow
Shadow
11 years ago

DAMN YOU, BLOCKQUOTE MONSTER!!! FROM HELL’S HEART I STAB AT THEE!!!!

Shadow
Shadow
11 years ago

I refuse to be bested by the evil denizens of WordPress!

“What if I told you…” [dun dun DUN] “…that GoldenEye was not a documentary.”

Say what?

Delyssandra
Delyssandra
11 years ago

What if I told you I had cats? They Like to watch.

LMFAO! I’m using that one day!

Detached
Detached
11 years ago

I know this is random, but when I read, “Hipster Racist” I think of a zombie from days of old, quietly muttering to itself, “I was racist before it was mainstream”.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Nothing quite like engaging in sexytimes and realizing there is a giant grey cat STARING AT YOU. Thanks, Lilly, you little mood killer.

This is why Mr K has banned the furries from the bedroom.

Also, is it just me, or does Crossbow Dude in that pic look uncannily like Terry Jones?