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Red Pillers: Hey Ladies! That visceral disgust you feel in our presence means you want us. Bad.

Ladies love men in groups.
Ladies love men in groups.

What do women want? Dudes. In groups. Especially dudes who hate them.

That, in any case, seems to be the conclusion drawn by a blogger who calls himself Hipster Racist, and who seems to be a white supremacist of some kind. Anyway, he’s written a little post about the rise of Reddit’s  Red and Blue Pill Subreddits and how they illustrate the Mannerbund Effect, a theory that helps to explain just why it is that the ladies allegedly like getting up in men’s business so much.

Here’s how HR tells the story of the two subreddits:

Someone created a section of reddit called TheRedPill which is devoted to “game,” seduction and anti-feminism. Essentially, a group of young men comparing notes on their various romantic successes and failures, which for obvious reasons, include a lot of frustration and what some might call misogyny. … Some of these men talk about “gaming” women in the same sense you might talk about training a dog. Gaming bitches, they might even say.

Yeah, some might call that misogyny.

The men’s romantic advice to each other essentially boils down to: women are selfish and incapable of love, so never fall in love, just improve yourself, lift weights, make money, dress better, and the women will come running.

Yeah, some might call that misogyny too.

As if on cue, the women show up and create TheBluePill a section of reddit exclusively focused on mocking, shaming, and attacking TheRedPill with anti-male rhetoric just as critical and harsh and the anti-female rhetoric of TheRedPill.

Now, pretty much none of that is true. TheBluePill is populated by a lot of dudes as well as women and the subreddit is basically an elaborate parody of the Red Pill subreddit, punctuated by occasional serious posts when people there are too astonished by the misogyny to make jokes about it. Take a look. If you can find any sincere anti-male rhetoric within it, posted by a regular commenter and with net upvotes, I’ll literally mail you a dollar.

But what is so fascinating about the dynamic is this: the men exclusively discuss how to improve themselves, while the women exclusively discuss … how the men can improve themselves. Obviously, they have very different views of what “improvement” looks like, the men essentially say “be more macho” while they women essentially say “be less macho.”

Well, not exactly. The advice in The Blue Pill subreddit is really only implicit advice, and it isn’t so much “be less macho” as it is “don’t be a misogynistic, manipulative, rapey asshole who gets validation from a bunch of other misogynistic, manipulative, rapey assholes like those Red Pill dudes on Reddit.”

Anyway, so Mr. Hipster Racist thinks that what all this means is that the Blue Pill ladies want the Red Pill men, and want them bad.

The dynamic plays itself out, over and over again, constantly. A group of men get together – the Mannerbund is formed – and do something. The women then show up, watch the men, and either cheer them, or heckle them.

But when the boys get together, the one thing the girls cannot do is ignore them.

Mr. Racist refers us to the manosphere-famous video of the protests of the Warren Farrell talk at the University of Toronto from last year. He points us to one female protester who became notorious in the manosphere for shouting at one of Farrell’s male fans, declaring him to be a “fucking rape apologist, incest supporting, woman hating, fucking scum.”

To Mr. Racist, only one thing could be driving this much apparent hate: pure animal lust.

Look at the man, look at the woman, and look at how the woman is looking at the man. Look at her eyes.

You could cut that sexual tension with a knife.

No. Just no. Sometimes a “you fucking rape apologist” is just a “you fucking rape apologist.”

So, anyway, someone took the opportunity to post Mr. Racist’s reflections on the Mannerbund Effect to the Red Pill subreddit — well, ok, that “someone” was Mr. Racist himself — where it met with many huzzahs.

My favorite comment of the bunch comes– surprise! —  from Mr. Racist, posting as jack50s; it’s almost Penthouse Lettersesque in its sophomoric eroticism:

mannerbuynd

Later, Mr. Racist wandered into the Blue Pill subreddit, and quickly convinced himself that everyone there, including me, had the hots for him. (To be fair, I did kind of lead him on a little.)

catswatch

Huh. Apparently I’ve been awarded some sort of honorary Women’s Studies Degree from the Dean of Pompous Nazi Blogger University. That will help to ease the sting of rejection a little. A little. At least I have my cats.

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Falconer
8 years ago

Mannerbund? Seriously?

opium4themasses
opium4themasses
8 years ago

As so often happens, oglaf fits here. http://oglaf.com/shaft-drama/

Also, he fails to understand dominance and submission.

Marie
Marie
8 years ago

Okay, skimmed, but yay comments! 😀 Also, I’d say something thoughtful here, but my brain is kinda really flight atm, but I have soooo much dislike for those guys who think ‘if she says she hates you it really means she likes you’. It’s like, some huge confirmation bias where either way she likes you. Idk I hope that made sense.

Howard Bannister
8 years ago

Mannerbund! When dudes get together!

I can’t…

And screaming “you are a fucking rape apologist” is a come-on now?

Apparently I’ve been extensively flirting with all the trolls.

anadiomene122
anadiomene122
8 years ago

Shorter Hipster Racist: All women on earth share my particular kinks. I can tell by just looking at them! Also, I have no boundaries issues, I swear.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
8 years ago

You could cut that sexual tension with a knife.

It is so annoying when douchebags mistake a woman’s annoyance and disgust for sexual tension. “Oh, she told me to go away because I’m a racist asshat? That must mean she secretly lusts for me!” Yeah, keep telling yourself that, red pill dude. Go ahead and tell her you like sassy women, too. I’m sure that will work out well for you.

Marie
Marie
8 years ago

@HowardBannister

And screaming “you are a fucking rape apologist” is a come-on now?

Apparently I’ve been extensively flirting with all the trolls.

Heck, at this point, who hasn’t been flirting with the trolls, via this guy’s logic?

Xen
Xen
8 years ago

Excuse me while I die of cheesiness.

Männerbund = male bonding. Why don’t these guys admit they have strong feelings for each other already?

dustball
dustball
8 years ago

Um. What is a “mannerbund” is that some made up shit? Is it supposed to conjure up weird fascist imagery? Or is it a satire on a bakery product…… Or is it like a fashion reference?

opium4themasses
opium4themasses
8 years ago

@anadiomene122 Plus he fails to understand that kinks are expressions of lust, desire, and love. Treating someone with contempt in these things ends up in boundary violations, hurt feelings, and all the women in the group knowing exactly what you are.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Hi Marie!

David, you were totally flirting with him, you shameless hussy.

Amnesia
Amnesia
8 years ago

What an astounding display of mental gymnastics. They must train all their lives to shove their heads that far up their ass. I wonder, how did they begin? Did their countries single them out as particularly prime candidates for douchebaggery when they were young, or did their parents have to scrimp and save to afford training, not wanting their child’s extraordinary talents to go to waste?

freemage
freemage
8 years ago

So I’ve been flirting all this time with Black Fedora? Damn, who knew?

Okay, so awhile back, I said the MRAs are stuck in ‘Hollywood high school’ mindset, where every movie cliche is brought to life and considered an actual metaphor for the world at large.

I must revise this statement.

Some of them, at least, appear to be stuck in the ‘fictional grade school’ mindset, where sticking girl’s hair in inkwells and dropping frogs down their backs is somehow seen as a sign of affection, and throwing rocks is considered reciprocation.

Marie
Marie
8 years ago

@cloudiah

Hi! 😀

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
8 years ago

I knew, to tell you the truth
My Fibdar detected the tension (the question how, is moot)
And for a man so posh and undeniably clean
who only reads exactly what he thinks we mean
How could you not fall in love with such a wonderful dude?

And all of this rhyming I do on a whim
cannot possibly the light of my passions dim
whenever I’ve matched things in a rhyme
it’s not to mock but to make someone mine
IT’S SCIENCE and TRUEFAXX and flam blam flim.

quantumscale
quantumscale
8 years ago

So I was in a coed fraternity in college. Women “infiltrated” the group in the “hey day” of the 70s/80s and were finally granted equal status in the early 90s. So much for submission. Students actively seek out groups like this now because they’re usually fans of this whole “equality” thing. Not that you’d ever hear that hanging out at the Red Pill.

bookdragonette
bookdragonette
8 years ago

You could cut that sexual tension with a knife.

What? No. Look, I’m no stranger when it comes to hatesex in my shipping, but even then I know where to draw the line.

Sometimes a ‘Fuck off, you despicable wart’ is not a come on.

inurashii
inurashii
8 years ago

I took a moment to draft up a Red Pill Guide to Reading Behavior in Feeeeeemales

In conversations with a feeeeeemale, observe her actions:
She seems to like you = she wants to fuck you
She is indifferent about you = she wants to fuck you
She appears annoyed = she wants to fuck you
She throws a drink in your face = she wants to fuck you

bekabot
8 years ago

A group of men get together – the Mannerbund is formed – and do something.

Yah, because all your classic MRA types are such huge achievers.

Which would also be why they’re always lamenting that the alphas are edging them out.

Makes perfect sense.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
8 years ago

The dynamic of the mannerbund is that when you specifically exclude women, it increases male sexual power….. literally come running… failing that, will often submit and “service”

[…]

You have fans. They think about you all day long. Amazing, isn’t it?

There once was a man on the Internet
Who thought he had something to say, yet
Others found with dismay,
his words were astray
Because thinking was something he seemed to forget

This is something called a mannerbund, or a shit test
Which I thought we’d gone past, given a rest
The fact we talk about you
Doesn’t mean we’re in love, it’s honestly true!
(Having that idea was not your best)

Also, I’ll field a question I want you to take
If all the men go together, maybe to bake
Where else would ANY woman go
If they wanted some man-candy show?
You’re being silly with your ideas of groups, it’s a flake

By way of rebutal: “there’s not such a thing as bad PR!”
Then cried this insightful MRA rising star
“If we gather in clubs with no cooties
We’ll finally get power of all those floozies,
they’ll submit to our dominance and kiss their personalities au revoir!”

“You can do whatever you want, you feminist fool
As long as that all still has something to with my tool
And it’s important to note
that freedom is slavery, down this road
you’ll get on your knees and it’ll be male rule!

“Wait, what the fuck?” was rightly cried
When you said we could do whatever we wanted, you lied!
Apparently you’re omniscient and so self centered
the notion we could disagree never entered
that thing that used to be sentience ( before it died )

You slimy solipsistic God-Tyrant of the mind
Your terrible preconceptions render you blind
Deftly spinning out lies to sate
the hunger in your head that used to relate
to other people as people, not “flatworms” you’ve left far behind

Also, here’s a quick rejoinder
My limericks could use a pointer
Because trying for wit
And not really feeling it
Makes writing this feel like scant more than loiter
-ing

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Apparently I’ve been extensively flirting with all the trolls.

Damn, I guess we have been. Shit, they found us out!

I love David’s cat response. Nothing quite like engaging in sexytimes and realizing there is a giant grey cat STARING AT YOU. Thanks, Lilly, you little mood killer.

leftwingfox
8 years ago

So I’ve been gay-flirting with bigots and republicans for the past decade?

Excuse me, I just threw up a little in my mouth a lot everywhere.

Dvärghundspossen
8 years ago

So I was in a coed fraternity in college. Women “infiltrated” the group in the “hey day” of the 70s/80s and were finally granted equal status in the early 90s. So much for submission. Students actively seek out groups like this now because they’re usually fans of this whole “equality” thing. Not that you’d ever hear that hanging out at the Red Pill.

I was in “Klubbmästeriet” when I was nineteen to twenty-one, which I guess is a bit like a frat or sor, except it’s gender-mixed. I don’t know if we ever had gender-exclusive clubs like that in Sweden? At least in modern days, you know, since women actually began attending universities, I haven’t heard about there being gender-exclusive clubs. And considering most people are straight, and most people join these kind of clubs to party and get laid, it just seems counter productive to have gender-exclusive clubs.

Dvärghundspossen
8 years ago

Must be wonderful to live in a world where everything from “hi” to “fuck off” means “I lust after you”. At least until you realize that you don’t actually get laid as often as you’d logically would, what with the entire female population wanting to get into your pants and all.

Cthulhu's Intern
8 years ago

So, wait. How exactly does a woman tell one of these guys that she isn’t interested?
Do they think that pepper spray is showing the utmost affection?

inurashii
inurashii
8 years ago

Intern, that’s the thing of it: The Red Pill bottom line is that the feeeeemale always wants to fuck them, no matter what.

auggziliary
auggziliary
8 years ago

I don’t get the frat/sorority thing. Why did he say the girls were servicing the guys? Why is it when a man and woman have sex, they think its like she’s sacrificing something for his pleasure, rather than them just mutually enjoying it?

ostara321
ostara321
8 years ago

Some of them, at least, appear to be stuck in the ‘fictional grade school’ mindset, where sticking girl’s hair in inkwells and dropping frogs down their backs is somehow seen as a sign of affection, and throwing rocks is considered reciprocation.

Now that’s not entirely true. He does appear to make leaps back and forth between “fictional grade school” mindset and thinking every college experience everywhere is like Animal House.

quantumscale
quantumscale
8 years ago

@auggziliary

Women don’t enjoy sex, silly

MaudeLL
8 years ago

Men writing about how women are disgusting, violent, incapable, weak rulers of the world (because of the sexy)= independent men.

People writing about how these guys are ridiculous and/or hateful about things that don’t exist, and ‘why won’t they go their own way already?)= being a fan and wanting to submit.

Makes perfect sense. Zero projection here.

Shiraz
Shiraz
8 years ago

Oh, the little tykes always write silly things when they haven’t had their milk and cookies before bed. And if they like to play with all boy gangs why get all defensive and claim it’s to attract women?

Graham
Graham
8 years ago

Off topic: Did you hear Tom Martin’s attempting to make a documentary? Job listings under this video:

ostara321
ostara321
8 years ago

You know, it’s ironic that a man who subscribes to a knock off, inverse attempt at imitating feminism, is accusing feminists of being a knock off, inverse attempt at imitating the MRM.

These guys need to start an audiovisual equipment rental business. They have got ALL the projectors.

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

Essentially, a group of young men comparing notes on their various romantic successes and failures

You could cut that sexual tension with a knife.

That explains the “successes”

becausescience
becausescience
8 years ago

Rule # 1 of The Bitter Online Misogynist’s Guide To Dealing With Criticism:

When women and other men call you out on the cesspool of misogyny, deluded self-importance and utter detachment from external reality that your “movement” has become, claim that your “movement”, despite all evidence to the contrary, is just an innocuous group of innocent guys trying to improve themselves/go their own way/help men, then attempt to spin their criticism as them being obsessed with you, despite that you spend all day every day obsessively thinking about/whining about/trying desperately to have sex with women and get online approval from other men.

Flora
Flora
8 years ago

The logic of this is infallible. Apparently if a group of men get together women MUST pay attention, but if a bunch of ladies you don’t know decide to ignore you, how would you know??

becausescience
becausescience
8 years ago

The idea that women/feminists are bothered by men improving themselves is easily debunked by the fact that there aren’t websites devoted to women/feminists mocking guys wanting to get into better shape, nor websites mocking guys wanting to improve their fashion, nor websites mocking guys wanting to improve their financial situation. Nor are there feminists mocking groups that ACTUALLY do shit to help men and aren’t anti-feminist.

I don’t give a shit if you want to improve your appearance or your financial life or move out of the country or not get married, and I applaud you if you actually want to do more to raise awareness of men and boys who are abused or victims of sexual assault, or men who are struggling with issues like depression. Women aren’t mocking “men improving themselves”, they’re mocking PUAs and redpillers. Women aren’t mocking “men who don’t want to get married”, they’re mocking mgtow’s. They’re not mocking “men trying to help men”, they’re mocking mra’s. You want to get into better shape and dress better or not get married or help men, do it WITHOUT the feminist-bashing and misogyny and I guarantee you feminists won’t have any problem with you.

malte87
8 years ago

@dustball: The whole “Männerbund” thing is drawn from German anthropology around the turn of the century. The idea is that of a formal association of men (women excluded) for an institutional purpose (warriors, ecclesiastical hierarchies, houses at boarding school, etc. etc.) It’s an almost impossibly broad concept, but in general such associations are characterised by misogyny (which Mr. Racist would approve of) and, amusingly given the MRM’s homophobia, pervasive homoeroticism.

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
8 years ago

Things I’m apparently sexually attracted to: people who spit in public, Republicans, animal abusers, spiders.

This is going to be a difficult discussion with my girlfriend, who is none of these things. Maybe I can convince her to wear a spider costume?

Maude LL
Maude LL
8 years ago

This is off topic, but I have a question some of you may be able to answer. A few years ago, I heard about this Canadian politician in the 19th century who was a supporter of women’s suffrage before it was a thing. People thought he was courageous to take that stand, because that was pretty much assured political suicide (men voters would be against him, and women weren’t about to get the vote anyway). Well a few years ago, some people found documents/evidence indicating that that politician was in fact born a woman. He was born in Ireland during the famine (I think) and emigrated to Canada in his young teens with his two young brothers, and no parents. One brother died in the boat, and he (she at the time) apparently took his brother’s identity, married a Canadian woman and got elected in Parliament decades later.
I’m not sure if the evidence for this narrative is strong, of if it’s just conjecture (if he was for women’s vote, he must have been secretly a woman!). It may be complete bullshit. But if it’s not, I want to research primary sources to find out more about it and perhaps come up with a research paper.
If it helps anybody, I’m pretty sure I heard this story on “This American Life,” about 4 or 5 years ago (it could have been a re-run from years before that). I just can’t find which episode anymore.
I repeat, it might be hogwash, but has anyone heard of this story? Know his name? I seem to recall his first name was “John,” but I might be making this up.
I just thought I’d try, I’ve been trying to find this info for a while now.

charlotte
charlotte
8 years ago

“You’re personality is repulsive…”
wow I could cut the sexual tension with a knife

j
j
8 years ago

Should have asked him of he was going to start crying right then and there at his computer monitor when you took the piss out of him.

HOW DARE YOU POST ABOUT DER KAMPFS OF THE MALE LIBERTYBÜND’S AND ADD A SNARKY COMMENT, DAVID FUTRELLE!!!

Dvärghundspossen
8 years ago

@Nepenthe: Have you seen that Cracked article about the worst porn on internet? Where the number one spot was a man getting it on with some spider monster?

BabyLawyer
BabyLawyer
8 years ago

@hellkell

Nothing quite like engaging in sexytimes and realizing there is a giant grey cat STARING AT YOU. Thanks, Lilly, you little mood killer.

God, no fucking kidding… Thanks Kramer, you adorably roly-poly, deaf, white voyeur.

j
j
8 years ago

Also, is this guy a potential rapist or something? I know I can ask this about a lot of boobz but never has it been so obvious and in your face

BabyLawyer
BabyLawyer
8 years ago

@j Yeah, this attitude definitely seems indirectly rapey. Rationalizing (well, I don’t know if that’s the right word…) away any possibility that a woman could refuse consent.

anadiomene122
anadiomene122
8 years ago

Just because your mangina tingles when a lady gets angry at you doesn’t mean the lady’s vagina is also tingling when she’s angry at you. Just because you want your friend’s cookie doesn’t mean your friend wants to share it with you. Anyone with theory of mind, and even many without it, should understand this by age 5 or so.

The sad part is, the guy could probably find a woman’s who is into angry conflict sex (or whatever) within about 10 minutes (have you even been on teh internet lately, guy? There are websites for this), if he really wanted to. Instead, he thinks the entire world should just rearrange itself around his personal preferences and he should never have to ever wrap his mind around the idea that other people have their own unique likes and dislikes and identities and that he has a social obligation to respect that.

If redpilling it up in the He-man Woman Hater’s Exclusive Club really worked, why would the redpill subreddit even need to exist, one wonders?

Athywren
Athywren
8 years ago

Don’t let their dirty talk fool you about the dynamics. You have fans. They think about you all day long

Actually, what I’ve been thinking about all day long is the argument that effective birth control is just as bad as abortion, because it keeps the sperm and the egg from coming together and fertilizing, and it is just as much a murder to prevent it before conception as it is to abort it afterwards. More specifically, I’ve been thinking about how the argument logically extends to abstinence being as bad as abortion, and wondering why the people who are so opposed to murdering babies through birth control are so completely in favour of murdering babies by not having sex at all. This is, of course, assuming that keeping an egg from being fertilized really is murdering a baby.
Now that really is amazing! Though, to be fair, I’ve probably only given it half an hour’s thought over the course of the day.

BabyLawyer
BabyLawyer
8 years ago

We’re MRAs, we aren’t interested in respecting “boundaries” or using “logic” or “being in touch with reality”

Athywren
Athywren
8 years ago

More on topic. and feel free to mock me if I’m showing ignorance here, but what the hell is a mannerbund? Is it somehow related to Benedict Cumberbatch? (My family have a habit of mispronouncing him as Benedict Cummerbund… it’s funny…. oh shush.)

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