What do women want? Dudes. In groups. Especially dudes who hate them.
That, in any case, seems to be the conclusion drawn by a blogger who calls himself Hipster Racist, and who seems to be a white supremacist of some kind. Anyway, heâs written a little post about the rise of Redditâs Red and Blue Pill Subreddits and how they illustrate the Mannerbund Effect, a theory that helps to explain just why it is that the ladies allegedly like getting up in men’s business so much.
Hereâs how HR tells the story of the two subreddits:
Someone created a section of reddit called TheRedPill which is devoted to âgame,â seduction and anti-feminism. Essentially, a group of young men comparing notes on their various romantic successes and failures, which for obvious reasons, include a lot of frustration and what some might call misogyny. … Some of these men talk about âgamingâ women in the same sense you might talk about training a dog. Gaming bitches, they might even say.
Yeah, some might call that misogyny.
The menâs romantic advice to each other essentially boils down to: women are selfish and incapable of love, so never fall in love, just improve yourself, lift weights, make money, dress better, and the women will come running.
Yeah, some might call that misogyny too.
As if on cue, the women show up and create TheBluePill a section of reddit exclusively focused on mocking, shaming, and attacking TheRedPill with anti-male rhetoric just as critical and harsh and the anti-female rhetoric of TheRedPill.
Now, pretty much none of that is true. TheBluePill is populated by a lot of dudes as well as women and the subreddit is basically an elaborate parody of the Red Pill subreddit, punctuated by occasional serious posts when people there are too astonished by the misogyny to make jokes about it. Take a look. If you can find any sincere anti-male rhetoric within it, posted by a regular commenter and with net upvotes, Iâll literally mail you a dollar.
But what is so fascinating about the dynamic is this: the men exclusively discuss how to improve themselves, while the women exclusively discuss ⌠how the men can improve themselves. Obviously, they have very different views of what âimprovementâ looks like, the men essentially say âbe more machoâ while they women essentially say âbe less macho.â
Well, not exactly. The advice in The Blue Pill subreddit is really only implicit advice, and it isnât so much âbe less machoâ as it is âdonât be a misogynistic, manipulative, rapey asshole who gets validation from a bunch of other misogynistic, manipulative, rapey assholes like those Red Pill dudes on Reddit.â
Anyway, so Mr. Hipster Racist thinks that what all this means is that the Blue Pill ladies want the Red Pill men, and want them bad.
The dynamic plays itself out, over and over again, constantly. A group of men get together â the Mannerbund is formed â and do something. The women then show up, watch the men, and either cheer them, or heckle them.
But when the boys get together, the one thing the girls cannot do is ignore them.
Mr. Racist refers us to the manosphere-famous video of the protests of the Warren Farrell talk at the University of Toronto from last year. He points us to one female protester who became notorious in the manosphere for shouting at one of Farrellâs male fans, declaring him to be a âfucking rape apologist, incest supporting, woman hating, fucking scum.â
To Mr. Racist, only one thing could be driving this much apparent hate: pure animal lust.
Look at the man, look at the woman, and look at how the woman is looking at the man. Look at her eyes.
You could cut that sexual tension with a knife.
No. Just no. Sometimes a âyou fucking rape apologistâ is just a âyou fucking rape apologist.â
So, anyway, someone took the opportunity to post Mr. Racistâs reflections on the Mannerbund Effect to the Red Pill subreddit — well, ok, that “someone” was Mr. Racist himself — where it met with many huzzahs.
My favorite comment of the bunch comes– surprise! —Â from Mr. Racist, posting as jack50s; it’s almost Penthouse Lettersesque in its sophomoric eroticism:
Later, Mr. Racist wandered into the Blue Pill subreddit, and quickly convinced himself that everyone there, including me, had the hots for him. (To be fair, I did kind of lead him on a little.)
Huh. Apparently Iâve been awarded some sort of honorary Womenâs Studies Degree from the Dean of Pompous Nazi Blogger University. That will help to ease the sting of rejection a little. A little. At least I have my cats.
Mannerbund? Seriously?
As so often happens, oglaf fits here. http://oglaf.com/shaft-drama/
Also, he fails to understand dominance and submission.
Okay, skimmed, but yay comments! đ Also, I’d say something thoughtful here, but my brain is kinda really flight atm, but I have soooo much dislike for those guys who think ‘if she says she hates you it really means she likes you’. It’s like, some huge confirmation bias where either way she likes you. Idk I hope that made sense.
Mannerbund! When dudes get together!
…
I can’t…
And screaming “you are a fucking rape apologist” is a come-on now?
Apparently I’ve been extensively flirting with all the trolls.
Shorter Hipster Racist: All women on earth share my particular kinks. I can tell by just looking at them! Also, I have no boundaries issues, I swear.
It is so annoying when douchebags mistake a woman’s annoyance and disgust for sexual tension. “Oh, she told me to go away because I’m a racist asshat? That must mean she secretly lusts for me!” Yeah, keep telling yourself that, red pill dude. Go ahead and tell her you like sassy women, too. I’m sure that will work out well for you.
@HowardBannister
Heck, at this point, who hasn’t been flirting with the trolls, via this guy’s logic?
Excuse me while I die of cheesiness.
Männerbund = male bonding. Why don’t these guys admit they have strong feelings for each other already?
Um. What is a “mannerbund” is that some made up shit? Is it supposed to conjure up weird fascist imagery? Or is it a satire on a bakery product…… Or is it like a fashion reference?
@anadiomene122 Plus he fails to understand that kinks are expressions of lust, desire, and love. Treating someone with contempt in these things ends up in boundary violations, hurt feelings, and all the women in the group knowing exactly what you are.
Hi Marie!
David, you were totally flirting with him, you shameless hussy.
What an astounding display of mental gymnastics. They must train all their lives to shove their heads that far up their ass. I wonder, how did they begin? Did their countries single them out as particularly prime candidates for douchebaggery when they were young, or did their parents have to scrimp and save to afford training, not wanting their child’s extraordinary talents to go to waste?
So I’ve been flirting all this time with Black Fedora? Damn, who knew?
Okay, so awhile back, I said the MRAs are stuck in ‘Hollywood high school’ mindset, where every movie cliche is brought to life and considered an actual metaphor for the world at large.
I must revise this statement.
Some of them, at least, appear to be stuck in the ‘fictional grade school’ mindset, where sticking girl’s hair in inkwells and dropping frogs down their backs is somehow seen as a sign of affection, and throwing rocks is considered reciprocation.
@cloudiah
Hi! đ
I knew, to tell you the truth
My Fibdar detected the tension (the question how, is moot)
And for a man so posh and undeniably clean
who only reads exactly what he thinks we mean
How could you not fall in love with such a wonderful dude?
And all of this rhyming I do on a whim
cannot possibly the light of my passions dim
whenever I’ve matched things in a rhyme
it’s not to mock but to make someone mine
IT’S SCIENCE and TRUEFAXX and flam blam flim.
So I was in a coed fraternity in college. Women “infiltrated” the group in the “hey day” of the 70s/80s and were finally granted equal status in the early 90s. So much for submission. Students actively seek out groups like this now because they’re usually fans of this whole “equality” thing. Not that you’d ever hear that hanging out at the Red Pill.
What? No. Look, I’m no stranger when it comes to hatesex in my shipping, but even then I know where to draw the line.
Sometimes a ‘Fuck off, you despicable wart’ is not a come on.
I took a moment to draft up a Red Pill Guide to Reading Behavior in Feeeeeemales
In conversations with a feeeeeemale, observe her actions:
She seems to like you = she wants to fuck you
She is indifferent about you = she wants to fuck you
She appears annoyed = she wants to fuck you
She throws a drink in your face = she wants to fuck you
“A group of men get together â the Mannerbund is formed â and do something.”
Yah, because all your classic MRA types are such huge achievers.
Which would also be why they’re always lamenting that the alphas are edging them out.
Makes perfect sense.
There once was a man on the Internet
Who thought he had something to say, yet
Others found with dismay,
his words were astray
Because thinking was something he seemed to forget
This is something called a mannerbund, or a shit test
Which I thought we’d gone past, given a rest
The fact we talk about you
Doesn’t mean we’re in love, it’s honestly true!
(Having that idea was not your best)
Also, I’ll field a question I want you to take
If all the men go together, maybe to bake
Where else would ANY woman go
If they wanted some man-candy show?
You’re being silly with your ideas of groups, it’s a flake
By way of rebutal: “there’s not such a thing as bad PR!”
Then cried this insightful MRA rising star
“If we gather in clubs with no cooties
We’ll finally get power of all those floozies,
they’ll submit to our dominance and kiss their personalities au revoir!”
“You can do whatever you want, you feminist fool
As long as that all still has something to with my tool
And it’s important to note
that freedom is slavery, down this road
you’ll get on your knees and it’ll be male rule!
“Wait, what the fuck?” was rightly cried
When you said we could do whatever we wanted, you lied!
Apparently you’re omniscient and so self centered
the notion we could disagree never entered
that thing that used to be sentience ( before it died )
You slimy solipsistic God-Tyrant of the mind
Your terrible preconceptions render you blind
Deftly spinning out lies to sate
the hunger in your head that used to relate
to other people as people, not “flatworms” you’ve left far behind
Also, here’s a quick rejoinder
My limericks could use a pointer
Because trying for wit
And not really feeling it
Makes writing this feel like scant more than loiter
-ing
Damn, I guess we have been. Shit, they found us out!
I love David’s cat response. Nothing quite like engaging in sexytimes and realizing there is a giant grey cat STARING AT YOU. Thanks, Lilly, you little mood killer.
So I’ve been gay-flirting with bigots and republicans for the past decade?
Excuse me, I just threw up
a little in my moutha lot everywhere.I was in “Klubbmästeriet” when I was nineteen to twenty-one, which I guess is a bit like a frat or sor, except it’s gender-mixed. I don’t know if we ever had gender-exclusive clubs like that in Sweden? At least in modern days, you know, since women actually began attending universities, I haven’t heard about there being gender-exclusive clubs. And considering most people are straight, and most people join these kind of clubs to party and get laid, it just seems counter productive to have gender-exclusive clubs.
Must be wonderful to live in a world where everything from “hi” to “fuck off” means “I lust after you”. At least until you realize that you don’t actually get laid as often as you’d logically would, what with the entire female population wanting to get into your pants and all.
So, wait. How exactly does a woman tell one of these guys that she isn’t interested?
Do they think that pepper spray is showing the utmost affection?