So over on The Spearhead, the fellas are discussing journalist Daniel Bergner’s sexy new sex book What Do Women Want?: Adventures in the Science of Female Desire. It’s a book that challenges many conventional wisdoms, both scientific and popular, about sexuality and, as Salon puts it, portrays female sexuality as essentially “base, animalistic and ravenous.”
I haven’t read the book, but it’s worth pointing out that this is not exactly a new idea. Indeed, for long stretches of human history this was the conventional wisdom about female sexuality, a fact I can only presume that Bergner addresses in some form.
Of course, none of the fellows on The Spearhead have actually read the book either, including W.F. Price, so essentially they just use the occasion of its publication as an excuse to spout their own, er, theories about evil sex-desiring ladies.
Price, extremely old school himself, agrees that “women’s sexuality is a powerful and often disruptive force” that “can be terrible in its power.” But he also thinks that the good fellows in the “androsphere” — his preferred term for what others call the “manosphere” — have these sneaky sexy ladies all figured out, and that this “knowledge disarms much of that [evil sexy lady] power.”
So, he concludes, Bergner may actually be doing the dudes of the world a solid:
The Red Pill, in short, is simply the truth about female sexuality. All Bergner has done is repackage the red pill and make it look sexy, and even empowering to women. So I suppose we should give the guy credit for doing us a favor, because although it is being sold with some misleading advertising, at least his book will contribute to general knowledge about the ancient truths of the world.
Or so he assumes, anyway, not having read the book. (I wish I could get a job reviewing books without reading them.)
Naturally, the Spearhead commentariat has many, erm, intriguing thoughts on the matter. So let’s look at some highlights — by which, as always, I mean lowlights. (And it goes without saying that all these comments got numerous upvotes from Spearhead readers.)
DCM offers some thoughts on female brains, and why the ladies need to be held in check and, I guess, never told that they’re pretty (even if you want to bone them):
Females’ minds are slightly but noticeably more primitive than men’s. Few of them will achieve mental and emotional maturity till they are old and infertile.
There’s little hope of getting most females to be rational, however smart they may be; they can only be somewhat repressed via ethics enforced by other females and the law, or men can be educated from childhood to see them as they are and not give in to the semi-instinctive idealization of females that’s part of the mating urge.
The latter is probably simpler and better.
Joeb offers a long and admittedly baffling manifesto, filled with parables and mixed metaphors and words used in, well, let’s just call them idiosyncratic ways. I’m trimmed out some of the really confusing bits, so what is left should be merely confusing.
Human sexuality is a red herring for the female to divert the real issue
Men cringe and cower to the mere mention of sex . Females use this red herring the same way the Government uses feminism .
As a shield .
If ,we all stop thinking with the most basic human drive and start thinking with are Mind’s , We need to put away anything remotely attributed to the visualization of sex during the other 23 hours a day . and push the real issue’s that stem from these basic drives in overdrive …
As long as females can divert the argument to sex they win . …
The red pill gives us a release from this Bondage .
I like to call Blue pill males ” Males still tied to the mask . We are all on a ship with rules and a limited space . As soon as you wake to the horror of your enslavement to the mask , Doesn’t mean you are not still enslaved . Shanghaiing refers to the practice of conscripting men as sailors by coercive techniques such as trickery, intimidation, or violence.
Does this sound familiar . …
Continue Taking the regiment of the red pill and you will start seeing Life boats , Islands and other men on the boat .
Its not a one time Pill its a regiment .
Being deprogrammed from Bondage is a painstaking task . All that’s needed to derail this process is The Captain to throw a few galley wags to the sailor and he calms down and works hard .
Don’t get sidetracked by sexual issue’s they have nothing , I say nothing to do with Men’s rights . The Government is the privateer and we are the conscripted Male .
Conscription have been used for Thousands of years , Hitler , pirates , the Chinese , Mongols , The British , To build army’s of slaves .
We still fall for that one every time And it never ends well .
Keyster is a tad more coherent, if equally backward:
The Red Pill is understanding female sexual power.
If you’re an unattractive woman or lesbian you might be a feminist because you have such limited sexual power – over men.
Women wanted “rights” and “liberation”, but insisted on keeping their sexual power, much to the dismay of strident feminists. The male needs to understand female sexual power. Most are entranced by it while not even knowing it. There are untold fables and metaphor for this, from The Fall to Odysseus to Cleopatra and Mark Anthony.
It’s a “backlash” against women wanting feminism AND sexual power. Their sexual power is diminishing every day. The more they behave like men, the less sexual power they have…the less power they have at all.
I confess I don’t really understand sven thomas’ deal at all. Oh, his argument I get. It’s his, well, vocabulary that puzzles me.
Ummmm
The Author is late to the party.
5,000 years ago we witnessed Eve being tempted by the serpents as she lusted after da lostasts cockasz.
About 2800 years ago we witnessed Helen deserting her family/husband and running off with a PUA and causing a war, whence tens of thousands perished.
The important thing for MEN to see here is why the Neoconsosnz banned the GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN–because they teach of the TRUE NATURE of women.
Women are only Virgins and nice and good when they are raised by STRICT, HEROIC MEN who reign over their fallen sexuality via their manly honor, as exalted in THE GREAT BOOKS FOR MEN.
zlozozozozzo
And a zlozozozozzo to you too, sven, whatever that is!
“Seriously, what the fucking fuck? A sexually transmitted disease that affects both men and women (my cousin had a tumor on his tongue that was caused by HPV and recently had to undergo surgery to remove it — it was benign, thankfully) means that WOMEN need to be chaste? And that is somehow proof of the natural order of things? How about — this is evidence that both men and women would benefit from protecting themselves, by limiting their sexual partners, by using condoms, etc? No? It just means that WOMEN should not be having sex.”
Yeah, but don’t forget that life on the Savannah made men specially adapted to have wild sex with multiple partners at every opportunity, and to seek variety constantly.
Except… wait a minute… if women are adapted to not want to have sex, except mostly in monogamous couples 4LIFE, who exactly were these primordial men banging? The original fitness landscape would have to be such that men who were banging everything in site survived and others didn’t survive as well, so betas should be rare, not alphas. Even if primordial women were only banging alphas (alongside a single beleaguered beta whom they conned into fathering a child) that still makes primordial women much more likely to have evolved for promiscuity than males. No?
Or is that the point? That women are designed to be super promiscuous by Le Nature, so now men will just have to rig up some societal contraptions to keep them in line.
But wait — isn’t it men who are uniquely plagued by their *AHEM, NOTHING TO SEE HERE* ridiculous Hinds-levels of raging, yoga-pants induced libido.
*scratches chin*
*head explodes from reaching critical level of cognitive dissonance*
I just want to say how impressed I am with Ms Evil in that picture. Presumably it’s after sex (nekkid AND smoking) but her hair and her makeup are immaculate.
Beloved points out that the oldest shipping war is Gilgamesh/Enkidu vs. No Homo.
…Wait, there are people who think they weren’t getting it on? Enkidu was created to distract Gilgamesh because he was banging too many chicks!
*sight
From what I can recall of my Lit courses, Milton didn’t think there was anything wrong with it. His Adam and his Eve get it awwnn all the time … in really stultifying, high-poetry language. Worst. Porno. Ever.
Fred Clark over at Slacktivist on Patheos is doing yeoman’s work explaining how Tim LaHaye’s “literal” interpretation of Revelation in Left Behind isn’t, but something built up from the Scofeld reference bible, the John Birch Society, and whole swaths lifted wholesale from Late, Great Planet Earth.
Coming soon to an interetz near you: Puritan Porn!
It could possibly also be the Scofield Reference Bible.
@Kitteh’s: I’m trying to determine if Ms. Evil is a Dragon Lady or not. It looks kind of stereotyped-Asian out the window past Adam, but Ms. Vil is blonde.
Falconer – I think she’s just meant to be stereotypical Sexy Evil Lady with “bedroom eyes”.
What I can never fathom with the anti-sex fundies is how they get around the fact that good ol’ God gave us the various bits necessary and the pleasant feelings that go along with sex.* If teh secks is so bad, why do we and so very many other critters do it?
*It may be rash assuming they get good feelings from it, of course …
… and is it just me, or is her hip/back arrangement rather odd?
The Fluffy Little Hindbrains is my new band name.
Didn’t they issue you your rubber spine? It was the day after all us guys got pecs the size of Volkswagens. /silly
@Kitteh’s: Certainly more than one of the anti-gay fundies has been caught enthusiastically Playing For The Other Team. Sometimes (not always) it involves hookers ‘n’ blow.
… And now President Obama knows that I looked up cocaine on Wikipedia.
@CassandraSays
I just want to give that akita a big hug. That sad look on hir face is making me sad. =[
Assuming she’s got her other leg tucked under her butt, that position isn’t a violation of anatomy. Why she’d sit like that for the hell of it I do not know, but it is feasible. I just see no point to it there. One thing in drawing class where anatomy is the point, another for a comic cover when she’s half covered anyways.
Also, smoking in that position, in bed, seems more than a little dangerous (or maybe that’s the point, if she drops her cigarette it’d land in the floor, not the bed)
…I’m overthinking this.
elodieunderglass, that is some fine art you’ve created up there. Anyone who missed it might want to scroll up and clickie clickie.
Falconer — and the NSA just registered your use of the word cocaine. And mine.
The words they search for just passed by on my twitter stream, so enjoy it — http://www.geekosystem.com/dhs-list-of-buzzwords/ (warning, plumes of gas, even from wee babies, are notable, cuz “warning”, “plume” and “gas”…they’re so smart! [“smart” is also on the list ō.Ó])
Don’t tell me about plumes of gas! Fribs let one loose on my lap last night. Talk about getting a faceful of rotting fish stink. ::gag::
Argenti: Someone just got majorly vindicated. “CIA” is on the watchlist. “C1A” is not.
Would you like a nice heaping dose of racism mixed with your misogyny?
Summary: white asshat married for 13 years to a black woman; now he’s taken THE RED PILL, and so he refuses to go to her family reunion because he just doesn’t feel like it. For some reason she’s not reacting well. Sample comments:
“gotta be alpha plus to deal with black women”
“if she wants to leave, let her. just being married to you raises her social status (im assuming youre white. i cant imagine a black woman marrying asian).”
“”I dont feel like it” is not the worst thing you could of said. “Im afraid of black people” is probably the worst.”
“Attempting to make yourself an alpha in this situation is a completely wasted effort. Marrying below your race is extremely beta, and no amount of BJJ or powerplays is going to turn you alpha.If you want to alpha up, you have to accept that this relationship needs to end and find someone(s) else – either a harem of lesser races or a White woman for a meaningful relationship.”
And it actually gets worse from there.
The Spearhead commetariat attracts some weirdos, because Price casts his net wide, beyond the Manosphere as generally understood (that is, MRAs). It’s pretty cheap to be quoting Spearhead commenters as if they in any way reflect the mainstream MRA community, like AVfM and the like.
But that’s SOP for Fatrelle here.
I would like to ask how there could be anything worse than this but I suspect my evening would be ruined if I found out the answer.
That is horrible. Throw away a marriage because some dudes on the internet say you’re not man enough because of it? Like, not happy, etc, leave, but some random people aren’t happy and you are? Fuck that noise.
Katz — they’ve got to be watching variations too, since like “warning” is listed but “warnings” isn’t…and it’s under weather so “warnings in effect for the following counties” wouldn’t get caught while “warning for this county” would? That’d take illogical to MRM extremes.
Sure, dude. I *definitely* believe this story.
Well, Drew, if you think AVfM is representative of the MRM, you’ve just condemned the entire movement. Elam has a call to terrorism on his front page. He advocates violence against women. He calls misogynists like Tom Martin “too feminist”. But then you seem unaware that David quotes all of these clowns, not just whatthefuck Price and his fanboys.